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Not a bad looking house. Is this one condemned?
While I hate to see it demolished... I would rather see these pieces sold and reused , than the entire structure demolished. (I presume this means it is being demolished)
This house isn't up for demolition - the owners are just selling the stuff out of it - which is a first step towards the house eventually falling into disrepair and then being demo-ed. This house is nowhere near in a codidtion to warrant demolition. These people are just making a buck off gorgeous architecture. This is just repulsive.
I agree :( ... As I stated above.. I would rather see pieces of it spared , than the whole thing done away with. Don't agree with it at all..
Apparently only a relative few of us respect history. :(
The house was recently purchased and NOT condemned.
28k purchase price.
It closed a week ago.
The new owners need a polite lesson on old homes.
How do you politely break their knees?
Quote from: Ralph W on October 17, 2011, 07:15:13 PM
How do you politely break their knees?
By politely.. uhh.. "tapping" their knee caps with fake fur covered lead pipes? I guess? I dunno.
This makes me sick. I love old architecture and seeing this stuff stripped so the house can be loaded up with IKEA cabinetry and stainless steal GE appliances makes me want to puke.
Yea, what does "Remodeling to eliminate many doors and windows mean?.. (Meth lab?) Has anyone called yet?
I hope they aren't trying to create a South Side look in an Historic area :o "Sir put down the stucco knife and step away from that house!"
Half or more of the trim you see in Springfield and Riverside was painted over because someone thought they had good taste, and wanted to "Brighten up" the old wood.
I have been blown away before to enter a Springfield apartment or two,and see all the old shellaced paneling and trim intact.
HPC is aware of the craigslist listings and the intent to remove existing windows (which is against historic code.)
I do not know the owners personally, but know who they are, as do many Springfield folk.
Waiting to see who steps up to have that "polite conversation."
This is completely beyond my scope of understanding.
Now technically they can do what they want inside (barring work done doesn't need building permits,) but they will not get homestead tax relief after gutting the interior.
That said, I am absolutely baffled.
Quote from: iloveionia on October 17, 2011, 07:01:50 PM
The new owners need a polite lesson on old homes.
And they need the same lesson when it comes to cars apparently, that's a beautiful classic benz rusting in the front yard.
QuoteAnd they need the same lesson when it comes to cars apparently, that's a beautiful classic benz rusting in the front yard.
I thought exactly the same thing. What is wrong with people?
Well they may not realize they have a car that is a classic ... It sounds like they bought this place, possibly unknowing of the Historic regulations . Who knows for sure? I was noticing even the hardwood floors of the place look pretty good, but then I only observed the above photos. The house is not bad looking at all.. Nice and straight and has enormous potential.
Sorry if it sounded like I was jumping to conclusions. It seems the trend of Jacksonville is to demolish everything in sight, ESPECIALLY if it is Historic or Beautiful. Forgive me being cynical. I am just absolutely sick of seeing beautiful houses, and Important Historic Structures getting destroyed. I was really hoping a new Administration would help curtail this activity. I am not sure that we are not about to see A L O T more of it, and it just nauseates me. :(
just flag the ad
The cars are not sitting around rusting. They are actively being worked on. In fact, I have been told that they are destined to be shipped over seas at a profit.
They just don't seem to get the idea of historic houses. Perhaps someone needs to school them as to the financial tax benefits of historic restoration - tax abatement for residents and perhaps tax credits (sell-able even) for commercial restoration efforts. Going for these types of benefits are the only times the Historic Department has any say in the interior of the house and the requirements can be pretty strict. And this house would fit those requirements very easily.
Unfortunately, there is nothing that legally be done to stop this. It is their right, even if stupid. What do we expect? Municipal Code Enforcement is still tearing historic houses down for no good reason. There are still a few in the community and city that celebrates the loss of historic houses, profiting from gutting one fits right in.
iloveionia said HPC knows about it and it is against historic code, if that is true then code enforcement should be contacted and they should be sited.
Why is code bothering me and my hens and not dealing with real stuff like this!!???!!
Quote from: iloveionia on October 17, 2011, 07:01:50 PM
The house was recently purchased and NOT condemned.
28k purchase price.
It closed a week ago.
The new owners need a polite lesson on old homes.
I love ultra modern, but I also have a love of historic buildings. There is no rule that says "If you buy a historic building you can't remodel the inside..." The R.A.P. house remodeled in the 1980's included an ultra modern bathroom. Who is to say that these new owners if not intent on demolition, might indeed be remaking the interior in their personal style? In a historic district, as long as the exterior is vintage, the interior doesn't matter that much.
Of course they might be determined to bulldoze the whole thing, in which case as Timkin has suggested, taking the historic parts of the interior out to be reinstalled and preserved in some other house isn't so bad. We've seen entire homes knocked to atoms including some of the most remarkable features. Breaking knee caps for that one is probably justified rage, but until we know intent, we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. It's simple, if the bulldozers show up, THEN get out your lead pipes.
OCKLAWAHA
In the past, the first step toward a home's deterioration is the sellig of the trim and historic stuff inside. It may well be legal, iloveionia probably know what code says best about this, but it almost always leads to a more and more stuff coming out and then before the owner knows it they can't afford to rebuild the interior. Then the house gets abandoned. This has happend to more houses than can be counted in SPR.
They can strip the inside and make it modern. Yup, they can.
Forget the tax credit, they won't get it.
Removing interior historic elements will prevent this.
They can NOT remove windows without a COA. They can NOT replace windows without a COA. They can not close up existing window openings PERIOD.
This is a planning department issue: potential permits and COAs via HPC.
MCCD has no standing in this situation.
I have a dozen pictures of the inside of this house. Gorgeous. GORGEOUS! PM me with your email address and I will sent them to you.
In just the few pictures I saw posted, the house looks really nice. If it was going to be my residence , it would remain much like it is, inside and out. The idea that pieces of it are being removed, to me at least sends up a red flag.. Ok.. for NOW they are looking to do a total renovation inside and modernize it. While I do not agree with that, I do not see how it could be stopped. Accordingly, I do not see how they can be stopped from removing pieces of it and selling it.
Because we have seen this very scenario and others play out in Springfield, only for the home ( or Apartment building ) or what have you to end up a pile of rubble being hauled off, this alarms me.
SOMETIMES it is necessary to do a total renovation inside , in which case, most original features are not spared. My Grandparent's former residence in Venetia/Ortega was in so bad of shape structurally that it was necessary to gut the house completely ,top to bottom and even totally remove the roof system ,so as to shore up, and eventually do total repair to the crumbling foundation of the home... I saw the floor joists of this house personally ...huge ,true 2"X 12" Floor Joists that were literally like sawdust barely holding it together from a combination of water damage, and subterranean termite damage. I have always marveled that the structure never collapsed, but it was unquestionably , at the time we sold it, very close to.
Because the next owner, committed to saving the home had to do what he had to do ,to shore the house, posthaste , there was not much time to save Crown Mouldings, Oak Floors, trim, doors , or anything else.. They had to work fast and carefully at the same time to keep the house from collapsing. ( It is a fairly nice sized 2 story home.)
When I toured the house in 2008, The only two recognizable features left in the home that were in fact original to it, was the Staircase , and an access door to the attic of the home. Everything else I vividly remember about the house was replaced with modern. Even though it looks nothing like it did then, The owner and the subsequent owners have done a stunning job on modernizing a historic house. The Outside looks much as it always did, except that there was an addition built onto the house on its back between the house , and the detached 2car garage.
My point is , sometimes one has no choice but to modernize . In this house , I cannot see in pictures, where it is crucial, structurally to do that.
A neighbor posted the travesty on facebook and the owner of the home responded saying it was a lie and they had not posted items for sale that a neighbor out to get them did.
While I don't believe the story, it doesn't matter. Hopefully the home will not have it's historic interior elements removed.
That seems a pretty far-fetched story. Why would a neighbor even go to the trouble?
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agreed ..
Quote from: Timkin on October 18, 2011, 09:21:30 PM
That seems a pretty far-fetched story. Why would a neighbor even go to the trouble?
Maybe they don't like the cars all over the front yard.
Quote from: Timkin on October 18, 2011, 09:21:30 PM
That seems a pretty far-fetched story. Why would a neighbor even go to the trouble?
We've got one up the street here in the WGV that has done such stunts as putting a sprinkler on the fence to wet down another neighbors BBQ wood stack. So far we've not got cross-ways with her, but everyone on the block has a story or two.
Like I said, for me modern would be a choice I would balance with how much the historic interior popped, one or the other, but I can promise you not a single splinter of the historic outside would be altered.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: AmyLynne on October 18, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
Quote from: Timkin on October 18, 2011, 09:21:30 PM
That seems a pretty far-fetched story. Why would a neighbor even go to the trouble?
Maybe they don't like the cars all over the front yard.
Now, there is an Ordinance about Untagged, inoperable cars , no? Perhaps tarp them and put them in the back or out of plain sight?
That's true. That lot is 200 feet deep and it's a triple lot. Lots of room out back. We looked at that house several years ago, and saw the size of the yard. In fact, although we loved the house, we didn't want to deal with the big yard.
Sounds like an incredible buy for the price.
Let's respect the fact that they withdrew the ad and let it be.
They pulled the ad because they got heat over it, and I don't believe it was some spiteful neighbor who had photos of particular items in their house...who goes into a neighbors house and takes photos like what they had posted? It's BS, they got caught and now they're playing the victim. At least they now know they're being watched