Monroe Street Closure On The Brink Of Happening
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1482492349_jtWXNF3-M.jpg)
For those who have not followed us over the years, Metro Jacksonville has been a strong proponent for not rebuilding Monroe Street in front of the courthouse since the City Council approved the current design in 2008.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-oct-monroe-street-closure-on-the-brink-of-happening
Something positive might happen?? Must be because of Metrojacksonville :)
How much would it cost an individual to pull out a 1 page ad in the FTU for this effort? Surely, enough citizens could very well change their minds. But what sort of message would it send for those unfortunate enough to not be a MetroJax reader to see this in their morning paper? Just a thought.
Is this being voted on tonight?
no...because of the strong difference of opinion between some council members, it has yet to make it out of committee
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 11, 2011, 03:09:15 AM
Something positive might happen?? Must be because of Metrojacksonville :)
+1
Like!
Lighting Laura, Loosening restrictions on outdoor seating downtown and possibly leveraging the best urban landscape we can out of the courthouse campus are positive environmental changes that will help steer downtown long term. Kudos to the work in the council on this issue.
So what happens if they don't get enough votes? And is this being voted on tonight?
Are there any councilpeople who have come out in opposition?
Which council members continue to support reopening Monroe Street? I emailed those who are undecided but would like to send an email to those who are against the street closure as well.
Metro Jacksonville's articles make many great points in support of the closure of Monroe Street. An additional important reason to leave the street closed is the presence of one of Jacksonville's finest public middle schools just a block away. Now that magnet busing has been eliminated, many of LaVilla School of the Arts' students are walking in the downtown area. Reopening Monroe will create additional confusing intersections for these young students.
mainly Bishop and Cresciembeni
Did my part, just sent out an email to all the councilmen and women listed. Doesn't make much sense to rebuild that Street, considering how much potential activity will be there. Too much risk to the fellow pedestrians and citizens trying to move around in that area. Potentially 6 lanes of opposing one-way traffic to cross from the garage that was built for the courthouse? Good luck crossing that! And I work close by!
i emailed all of them last week. Haven't gotten one reponse!
I think I was the only one to get multiple responses from the council last week. The problem is apparently I "threatened" them with the fact that I was keeping score and willing to donate to campaigns based on it. They got back to me in a hurry mostly to tell me how that won't get me anywhere.
Re-opening Monroe only compounds the foolish mistake of building the courthouse into the sprawling monstrosity that it is rather than going vertical (ala the Federal Courthouse). City government created this mess. Now they want to make it worse by endangering the citizens by have two thoroughfares right next to each other. Who's interests are they looking out for here? Certainly not that of pedestrians. Re-open Monroe and all you have is a danger zone waiting for an accident.
If keeping Monroe Street open was a top priority, they should not have built a building on it.
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 11, 2011, 11:20:32 AM
I think I was the only one to get multiple responses from the council last week. The problem is apparently I "threatened" them with the fact that I was keeping score and willing to donate to campaigns based on it. They got back to me in a hurry mostly to tell me how that won't get me anywhere.
I read the response, from Lumb in particular, and was shocked by the apalling sense of entitlement.
Lumb: We gave it to you, we can take it away. Keep pissing people off, watch what happens.
^^ People don't respond well to threats. You hurt your cause more than anything when you do that. They know that someone that takes the time to right a letter is generally-speaking an involved citizen that very likely to vote.
Quote from: vicupstate on October 11, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
^^ People don't respond well to threats. You hurt your cause more than anything when you do that. They know that someone that takes the time to right a letter is generally-speaking an involved citizen that very likely to vote.
It's not a threat, it's just political reality. It's a shortsighted decision, and everyone has every right to point out they'll be taking their money and votes elsewhere. And FWIW, the original letter to Lumb was rather tame, his response was rude and high-handed. Which is what I'm disappointed by. As long as you follow through with it, then nobody is hurting their cause by saying the politician risks losing their support by engaging in short-sighted actions.
@Lake - can you overlay Monroe back inot the aerial photo. It would be interesting to see just how close Monroe and Adams will really be.
I thought this was settled! Didn't they decide to close the damn street?!
First the mobility fee may be dropped, now they may reopen Monore st after all?
This should be the city's slogan:
"Jacksonville"
Pedestrians "NOT" welcome!
We can put this on every single sign on the highways to be seen as you enter the city.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on October 11, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on October 11, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
^^ People don't respond well to threats. You hurt your cause more than anything when you do that. They know that someone that takes the time to right a letter is generally-speaking an involved citizen that very likely to vote.
It's not a threat, it's just political reality. It's a shortsighted decision, and everyone has every right to point out they'll be taking their money and votes elsewhere. And FWIW, the original letter to Lumb was rather tame, his response was rude and high-handed. Which is what I'm disappointed by. As long as you follow through with it, then nobody is hurting their cause by saying the politician risks losing their support by engaging in short-sighted actions.
here's the deal....these guys just got elected and aren't up for re-election until Spring 2015....so they're not real worried about threats about losing votes or $ right now (figure most will forget)....if this was fall 2014, things might be very different.
Quote from: urbaknight on October 11, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
I thought this was settled! Didn't they decide to close the damn street?!
First the mobility fee may be dropped, now they may reopen Monore st after all?
actually they decided 3+ years ago the street should be reopened...then reaffirmed that decision at the end of Peyton's term....
Groups such as MetroJacksonville and TransForm Jax are trying to get the decision reversed.
Quote from: urbaknight on October 11, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
I thought this was settled! Didn't they decide to close the damn street?!
First the mobility fee may be dropped, now they may reopen Monore st after all?
This should be the city's slogan:
"Jacksonville"
Pedestrians "NOT" welcome!
or "Jacksonville - Keep Driving"
We can put this on every single sign on the highways to be seen as you enter the city.
I sent an email
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 11, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
Quote from: urbaknight on October 11, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
I thought this was settled! Didn't they decide to close the damn street?!
First the mobility fee may be dropped, now they may reopen Monore st after all?
actually they decided 3+ years ago the street should be reopened...then reaffirmed that decision at the end of Peyton's term....
Groups such as MetroJacksonville and TransForm Jax are trying to get the decision reversed.
If Rover gets ran over by a car and dies, you can't replace him with Spot and assume that Spot is the real Rover. I'm sorry, but Rover has gone to a better place.
I tend to view this "reopening" street thing as a bad use of semantics. Reopening implies that the street still exists and that there is minimum expense involved with allowing cars to use it again.
In reality the street permanently closed when many of the council members crying for reopening, voted to allow a building put slap smack on top of it. Thus, we're not reopening a street. We're forcing a new $800k street into a space that isn't suitable for one, either out of spite for the previous administration or for the sake of keeping a "promise" that was violated in 2008 by the approval of the horrible building design sitting on top of the real Monroe Street.
Jason Voorhees didn't have it this bad. Instead of dying and being buried six feet under, we added eight stories of Gate Concrete on top of Mr. Monroe Street's final resting place. It will take more than a bolt of lighting to bring the real Monroe Street back.
Over a period of time the Council members have become used to the term and the reality of "Pocket Parks". A little piece of unusable grass in the middle of crosshatched concrete, maybe sheltered with a few sticks called trees.
Since this was all the rage not so long ago they must be calling upon their institutional memories and not going face to face with reality. Many of this group took a walking tour not so long ago, looked at some nice drawings and went home to forget the experience.
I recommend another walking tour, this time not at the courthouse but along and across a busy divided highway with each of them required to make a couple of mad dashes across all lanes during rush hour traffic. Monroe Street closed, with a peaceful pedestrian mall, will look good after that experience.
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Quote from: Ralph W on October 12, 2011, 01:42:58 AM
I recommend another walking tour, this time not at the courthouse but along and across a busy divided highway with each of them required to make a couple of mad dashes across all lanes during rush hour traffic. Monroe Street closed, with a peaceful pedestrian mall, will look good after that experience.
now that is a good idea!
When will they be voting on this?
Today the Finance Committee of the City Council turned down the request to close Monroe Street (4-2). Those voting against were Bishop, Crescimbini, Gulliford and Yarborough. Those voting in favor of the closure were Greg Anderson and Richard Clark. I would suggest calls be made.
I don't know that this matters to the council, but this is how I see it. Imagine someone who visits Jax once the decision is made and either the road or park is completed. Lets imagine they drove in from Orlando for an office meeting in the AT&T building. They drive in, park on Julia street, go to their meeting, get lunch and go back to Orlando. No, they won't remember the 30 seconds they saved by driving on the rebuilt Monroe street, but they would definitely remember grabbing a bite to eat on our courthouse plaza at one of the food trucks while watching a man play the saxophone and a group of kids splash in the fountain. I imagine they would remember Jax fondly for quite some time.
Quote from: Planning Guy on October 18, 2011, 02:39:19 PM
Today the Finance Committee of the City Council turned down the request to close Monroe Street (4-2). Those voting against were Bishop, Crescimbini, Gulliford and Yarborough. Those voting in favor of the closure were Greg Anderson and Richard Clark. I would suggest calls be made.
Does that mean the bill is done? Can it still go to full council for vote?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 18, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
I don't know that this matters to the council, but this is how I see it. Imagine someone who visits Jax once the decision is made and either the road or park is completed. Lets imagine they drove in from Orlando for an office meeting in the AT&T building. They drive in, park on Julia street, go to their meeting, get lunch and go back to Orlando. No, they won't remember the 30 seconds they saved by driving on the rebuilt Monroe street, but they would definitely remember grabbing a bite to eat on our courthouse plaza at one of the food trucks while watching a man play the saxophone and a group of kids splash in the fountain. I imagine they would remember Jax fondly for quite some time.
The problem would be that they wouldn't save time on a new street named Monroe. It would add a couple of minutes more to their drive since Forsyth is the faster and more direct route to all the parking facilities.
Quote from: exnewsman on October 11, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
@Lake - can you overlay Monroe back inot the aerial photo. It would be interesting to see just how close Monroe and Adams will really be.
I just noticed this request. I'll do this and upload it later today.
Quote from: dougskiles on October 18, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Does that mean the bill is done? Can it still go to full council for vote?
I'm no expert at what Council can and cannot do, this shouldn't mean the bill is done. Also, from looking at the votes of the Finance Committee, only one of the previous list of undecided members to vote in favor of building a new road was Guilliford. The other three were always in favor of spending your tax dollars in a fiscally irresponsible manner.
QuoteThe following list of City Council Representatives have not rendered an opinion. If we do our part by contacting them via email, phone or personal visit, it may be enough to finally get something positive implemented in this distressed area of downtown.
• District 9 Warren Jones 630-1395 WAJones@coj.net
• District 8 E. Denise Lee 630-1385 EDLee@coj.net
• District 12 Doyle Carter 630-1380 doylec@coj.net
• District 10 Reggie Brown 630-1684 RBrown@coj.net
• District 13 Bill Guilliford 630-1397 Gulliford@coj.net
• At Large Stephen Joost 630-1396 Joost@coj.net
• At Large Kimberly Daniels 630-1393 KimDaniels@coj.net
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 18, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
I don't know that this matters to the council, but this is how I see it. Imagine someone who visits Jax once the decision is made and either the road or park is completed. Lets imagine they drove in from Orlando for an office meeting in the AT&T building. They drive in, park on Julia street, go to their meeting, get lunch and go back to Orlando. No, they won't remember the 30 seconds they saved by driving on the rebuilt Monroe street, but they would definitely remember grabbing a bite to eat on our courthouse plaza at one of the food trucks while watching a man play the saxophone and a group of kids splash in the fountain. I imagine they would remember Jax fondly for quite some time.
Switch Orlando with...... well, say anyone heading SB95 -- there is NO MONROE ST EXIT! Gateway to the city? Sure, only if you're heading north.
The request should not be called closing Monroe because there is not a road there now. This is a decision to build or not build a new road.
^Yeah, that would be a better way to frame the argument.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 18, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: exnewsman on October 11, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
@Lake - can you overlay Monroe back inot the aerial photo. It would be interesting to see just how close Monroe and Adams will really be.
I just noticed this request. I'll do this and upload it later today.
I didn't spend too much time on this, so graphically there's room for a lot of improvement. However, it does provide a visual glimpse into these two options:
Option 1: $800,000 for a road between the courthouse entry and the courthouse parking garage.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Duval-County-Courthouse/i-V9pN7kS/0/L/monroe-street-1-L.jpg)
Option 2: Saving $800,000 by laying sod down with the existing courthouse budget.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Duval-County-Courthouse/i-P7DmZ7f/0/L/monroe-street-2-L.jpg)
Quote from: dougskiles on October 18, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Does that mean the bill is done? Can it still go to full council for vote?
I heard that this goes to full council this Tuesday. This week is a great time to contact the council to persuade them to do the right thing, which is to not spend $800,000 on something that has been proven to cause more harm than good.
this Tuesday as in today...or next week?
next week.
Imagine how great that lawn would look packed with thousands of people as a new mayor gives his/her innagural speach, or as a campaining presidential candidate woos his local followers from atop the courthouse steps....
:::smack::: Wake up Jason, the cars are about to run you over!
the more I look at the schematics the more funny this gets. You step of the bottom step right into traffic. You have these two strange triangle patches of grass. Any council members who vote to have the street reopened are STUPID plain and simple.... and we pay for this joke!
I know it was a quick graphic job, but I thought the new street would be closer to Adams?
I will be contacting my Council rep - even though he has already voted for this stupidity.
I took the original plan shown here:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Duval-County-Courthouse/dec08ddrbagendaforwebpage40/485954659_XaQwz-X2.jpg)
This second plan was drawn up by Ted Pappas. When it comes to urban planning in Jax, nothing surprises me anymore but I just assumed no one would endorse this pedestrian safety hazard:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Duval-County-Courthouse-Plaza/Monroe-St/1153754340_DvuwX-L.jpg)
there are 2 different concepts out there....one that is close to Adams (and basically creates a reverse boulevard)...the olther option is to build the road close to the building, allowing room for a small park/plaza between the streets
Quote from: thelakelander on October 18, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on October 18, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Does that mean the bill is done? Can it still go to full council for vote?
I'm no expert at what Council can and cannot do, this shouldn't mean the bill is done. Also, from looking at the votes of the Finance Committee, only one of the previous list of undecided members to vote in favor of building a new road was Guilliford. The other three were always in favor of spending your tax dollars in a fiscally irresponsible manner.
QuoteThe following list of City Council Representatives have not rendered an opinion. If we do our part by contacting them via email, phone or personal visit, it may be enough to finally get something positive implemented in this distressed area of downtown.
• District 9 Warren Jones 630-1395 WAJones@coj.net
• District 8 E. Denise Lee 630-1385 EDLee@coj.net
• District 12 Doyle Carter 630-1380 doylec@coj.net
• District 10 Reggie Brown 630-1684 RBrown@coj.net
• District 13 Bill Guilliford 630-1397 Gulliford@coj.net
• At Large Stephen Joost 630-1396 Joost@coj.net
• At Large Kimberly Daniels 630-1393 KimDaniels@coj.net
Lake, who is supporting rerouting and reconstructing Monroe Street? What is Johnny Gaffney's position?
I don't know the full list but Redman, Boyer, Anderson, Clark, Love and Lumb are among the supporters while Bishop, Crescimbeni, Yarborough and Guiliford are a few who favor squeezing a new street into the space.
If any of you are expecting Jacksonville to make the right decision on this, then you can probably guess what is about to happen.
'Jacksonville, metal shed capital of the world.'
OCKLAWAHA
I must have been remembering the Pappas version. I do remember the original plan, too. Both are dumb.
Monroe Street closure votes from the June 28, 2011 meeting. Those in bold are still serving on the Council.
AYES - Brown, Fussell, Hyde, Johnson, Redman, Webb, ( 6 )
NAYS -Bishop, Brown, Carter, Clark, Corrigan, Crescimbeni, Gaffney, Holt, Jones, Joost, Shad, Yarborough, ( 12 )
Speaking of Monroe Street....
QuoteStreet around new Duval Courthouse has safety questions
A rebuilt Monroe Street near the new Duval County Courthouse may not be as safe and pedestrian-friendly as supporters of the road project want, a city employee conceded Tuesday.
“It will be as safe as we can make it,†courthouse project manager Dave Schneider told members of the City Council’s Finance Committee who questioned him about the road’s design.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-10-18/story/street-around-new-duval-courthouse-has-safety-questions
Very interesting. Back in February, I said rebuilding Monroe Street would cost closer to $1 million or more and a few council members believed my numbers were too high
(although I happen to work in a transportation planning firm and have access to general roadway cost estimates). In an ironic twist of fate, it looks like my numbers are more accurate than the budgeted $800,000 figure. From the TU article:
QuoteSchneider was quizzed about missed opportunities to make the project pedestrian-friendly, for example by marking crosswalk-like areas.
“Right now, there’s no special signage or markings†Schneider said. “We could add that. … It’s a good idea.â€
The road could use “traffic-calming†features that would cost a little more, he said, but they aren’t in the design.
There’s no reason not to have that, Councilman Bill Bishop said.
A road consists of more than asphalt lanes, especially one in an area with significant pedestrian traffic. Anyone who has spent anytime in an urban area knows this. Why this wasn't factored into that $800,000 budget is pretty shocking. Just watch the costs balloon when they add in the extra traffic calming features such as signals, crosswalk paving patterns, sidewalks, signage, historic light posts, etc. I guess I'm not too crazy after all.
QuoteRon Littlepage: A Finance Committee temper tantrum
A majority of the City Council's Finance Committee is determined to do something really dumb.
Councilwoman Lori Boyer has offered a reasonable solution to the controversy over whether to rebuild Monroe Street so that it jogs around the new county courthouse, potentially creating a pedestrian nightmare.
She wants to delay spending the $700,000 it will cost to rebuild the road until after the courthouse opens to better gauge the traffic patterns.
Nope. Four Finance Committee members, led by Bill Bishop, voted against Boyer's proposal this morning. Only Richard Clark and Greg Anderson supported it.
The four gave several reasons, but there was an interesting undercurrent. They don't like the courthouse â€" who does? â€" and they think the judiciary has been "thumbing its nose" at the council's wishes, and they aren't going to take it anymore.
That's a heck of a reason to build a road that will have pedestrians negotiating Adams Street and Monroe Street back-to-back before they can reach the new courthouse.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/406107/ron-littlepage/2011-10-18/finance-committee-temper-tantrum
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 18, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
I don't know that this matters to the council, but this is how I see it. Imagine someone who visits Jax once the decision is made and either the road or park is completed. Lets imagine they drove in from Orlando for an office meeting in the AT&T building. They drive in, park on Julia street, go to their meeting, get lunch and go back to Orlando. No, they won't remember the 30 seconds they saved by driving on the rebuilt Monroe street, but they would definitely remember grabbing a bite to eat on our courthouse plaza at one of the food trucks while watching a man play the saxophone and a group of kids splash in the fountain. I imagine they would remember Jax fondly for quite some time.
I like your vivid narrative but remember this is more for us citizens of Jacksonville than outsiders. Just sayin...but fwiw, I, living in Jax would still definitely prefer what you described.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 18, 2011, 04:36:34 PM
I didn't spend too much time on this, so graphically there's room for a lot of improvement. However, it does provide a visual glimpse into these two options:
I'm not sure how you can improve on a giant Kermit the Frog carrying a messenger bag and waving to me.
I feel so helpless. Watching a ship run aground and there's nothing anyone can do.
You haven't seen the rest of the plans yet.
Saved all that money by not building that pedestrian bridge for the few lawyers but they'll have a pedestrian concourse over the streets from the parking structure. Also going to throw in an Orange Julius at the bottom of the stairs... and an elevator.
Maybe we can get the price up to 5 mil by having a gold brick walkway with all of the names of our esteemed council on each gold brick.
Where is Brown on all this?
Early on, the Mayor made a decision to stay out of this and let it be a Council issue.
But last week, a few of us met with someone from the Mayor's staff, showed them the various concepts, and urged them to get involved.
From the article:
QuoteBefore Finance Committee members rejected that idea, Mayor Alvin Brown's council liaison, Jessica Deal, told them people "involved in the courthouse have concerns about the safety of the road design." Deal also said Schneider had mentioned it to the Mayor's Office.
I saw Mayor Brown yesterday. He repeatedly used the Court House as an example of waste. He actually tried to distance himself from it.
I didn't get a chance to ask about Monroe Street. However, it seems like he would be receptive to coming out against the road and wasted money.
This is another example of why many on this site need to run for Council seats. Our city can no longer afford for us to sit behind keyboards and screens (i know not everone does)! we need to become the decision makers!
Keep in mind the traffic will be coming from the opposite directions than is normal. I almost got nailed a few times in London because I was looking the wrong way. I fancy myself as smarter than the average bear, so I think it's safe to say there will be a few new hood ornaments on the cars driving down Adam's and Monroe.
Also, don't forget the hundreds of bollards they will have to install absolutely everywhere to keep people safe from me trying to powerslide that perfect arc around the courthouse. It seriously looks perfect for a drift competition.
Quote from: fsujax on October 19, 2011, 09:55:24 AM
This is another example of why many on this site need to run for Council seats. Our city can no longer afford for us to sit behind keyboards and screens (i know not everone does)! we need to become the decision makers!
Are you thinking about running for Gaffney's vacated seat next election? :D
it is a strong possibility I am exploring.
I have sent emails to the Council and the Mayor's office.
The spite plan is an interesting take.
I still think the best way to get the common person behind the closure is to focus on the wasted taxpayer money for the project. The council can do it's spite plan all it wants, but if we tie their names to the waste of the courthouse maybe they'll back off.
Quote from: stephendare on October 19, 2011, 10:48:51 AM
"Project Spiteful Frogger"
Quote from: thelakelander on October 18, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
QuoteRon Littlepage: A Finance Committee temper tantrum
A majority of the City Council's Finance Committee is determined to do something really dumb.
Councilwoman Lori Boyer has offered a reasonable solution to the controversy over whether to rebuild Monroe Street so that it jogs around the new county courthouse, potentially creating a pedestrian nightmare.
She wants to delay spending the $700,000 it will cost to rebuild the road until after the courthouse opens to better gauge the traffic patterns.
Nope. Four Finance Committee members, led by Bill Bishop, voted against Boyer's proposal this morning. Only Richard Clark and Greg Anderson supported it.
The four gave several reasons, but there was an interesting undercurrent. They don't like the courthouse â€" who does? â€" and they think the judiciary has been "thumbing its nose" at the council's wishes, and they aren't going to take it anymore.
That's a heck of a reason to build a road that will have pedestrians negotiating Adams Street and Monroe Street back-to-back before they can reach the new courthouse.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/406107/ron-littlepage/2011-10-18/finance-committee-temper-tantrum
In every instance, whenever we have talked to someone that is intent on rebuilding this road... every time, it's been out of personal spite for someone else. I have yet to hear a logical reason for re-opening this road. I'm sorry, that's just unacceptable.
A big thank you to Ron for calling them out.
Quote from: fsujax on October 19, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
it is a strong possibility I am exploring.
Just let me know when to write the campaign contribution check!
thanks!!! not quite sure what the new distirct will look like, but soon we will know.
Does our mayor have line item veto power? If so, maybe he could use it on this to give political cover to council members who need it. You know, the ones who would vote against closure due to constituent pressure, not because they have an axe to grind.
I believe the group who wants to see a new road constructed is in the minority.
Well it goes before Council next Tuesday, so we'll find out.
I'd also say the majority of Jacksonville residents would be against a mobility fee moratorium that helps developers pocket some extra cash for projects they were already going to do at the expense of taxpayer's pockets. However, the council approved that 16-0. So when politics come into play, the final decision isn't always what the majority of the general public desires.
I'll bet that Peyton apposed the reopening of Monore because he knew this would happen. I mean look at him, he's one of the biggest road Nazis we have around here. He owns the Gate gas stations. Of course he really wants the street reopened. Well played ***hole, you get your way yet again! And you're not even mayor anymore!
Quote from: urbaknight on October 19, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
I'll bet that Peyton apposed the reopening of Monore because he knew this would happen. I mean look at him, he's one of the biggest road Nazis we have around here. He owns the Gate gas stations. Of course he really wants the street reopened. Well played ***hole, you get your way yet again! And you're not even mayor anymore!
???
Peyton is against re-opening Monroe Street.
Quote from: Tacachale on October 19, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: urbaknight on October 19, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
I'll bet that Peyton apposed the reopening of Monore because he knew this would happen. I mean look at him, he's one of the biggest road Nazis we have around here. He owns the Gate gas stations. Of course he really wants the street reopened. Well played ***hole, you get your way yet again! And you're not even mayor anymore!
???
Peyton is against re-opening Monroe Street.
He pulled the reverse psychology strategy.
Quote from: urbaknight on October 20, 2011, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on October 19, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: urbaknight on October 19, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
I'll bet that Peyton apposed the reopening of Monore because he knew this would happen. I mean look at him, he's one of the biggest road Nazis we have around here. He owns the Gate gas stations. Of course he really wants the street reopened. Well played ***hole, you get your way yet again! And you're not even mayor anymore!
???
Peyton is against re-opening Monroe Street.
He pulled the reverse psychology strategy.
Yeah, okay.
Mr. Lumb is on our side
QuoteMr. Sutton:
I agree with you completely and I’m supporting legislation introduced by Don Redman and Lori Boyer that would provide the funds necessary to create a landscaped area instead of rebuilding Monroe Street. Eventually I believe that the area should be developed as a plaza and could be a focal point for a revitalized downtown. The pedestrian traffic and retail development that it would encourage would be a major boost. Reopening Monroe Street makes no sense and could possibly create hazardous traffic conditions.
Robin Lumb
Well that's good.
several of us have walked the area with Lumb, Boyer, Redmand, Love, and other council members....this personal tour has really helped them understand the issue.
Did the Arlington Three take that walk? For some reason Yarborough, Bishop, and Crescimbini are pushing the road.
We've talked to Bishop...he refuses to change his mind....Crescimbini is just following Bishop's lead...there may still be hope for Yarborough
I still wonder how all those cars full of people get to their destinations now without Monroe St. After all these years it must be really frustrating to be thwarted when trying for a direct connection from one side of town to the other.
Darn, we need a TRAFFIC CIRCLE in front of the courthouse! With a pavilion and two picnic benches in the middle for those who want to eat lunch on the green.