I'm waiting for verification, but I hear code has received its funding to demolish the formal track homes.
I hope to have more info soon.
It is time, once again, to be on high alert.
I can confirm at least one, I saw someone from a demolishing company Monday morning in my alley. Apparently, they are going to take down a garage apartment that has been empty for a few years now.
It's too soon for code's bulldozing.
I do not currently have a list of addresses, but I'm working on it.
Code gave HPC 120 days to notify owners, likely about mothballing.
These homes were approved some time ago by HPC, via the practice of the formal track.
I can not confirm if they have been contracted out to a demolition company yet.
I can not confirm, but I am told this is NSP 3 funds. While I have nothing in writing to prove this, I am certain it is based on various conversations over the past 6 months.
Garages don't need HPC permission (Commissioners) just a COA from Joel's office.
Is this the demolition someone was chainsawing? What is the address of the garage if you don't mind?
NO, i dont think anyone has been chainsawing this one. Not sure of the address. It is in between 3rd and 4th on the west side of the street. It is a white garage apartment. It backs up to my yard.
Apparently something demoed is being chainsawed on E. 5th, something also on the alley.
I think it may actually be a house?
You know the house on Ionia, with the old LISC sign in front of it? Not very attractive in its current state, green and boarded up? Next to the ONH bungalow? On the north side of the bungalow. There is a house behind it, I think the address is 1340 Ionia. Technically these are two houses on two separate lots, but it is one house in front of the other. It's a split lot with no front access. It sold several years ago for 13k. Is it that one? The house is only accessible from the alley. I believe the bottom half is block construction and the top is cedar shake. The block is white, the shake dark green.
F&$K! That better not be the garage apt behind the community orchard that the bank was going to donate to SS! I am going over there RIGHT now
Just went down there. We didn't see any city trucks or bulldozing equip down there.
We looked at the white garage apt next to Billy's house and it was intact too
14 houses on the list
13 really, as Patterson apts. which is on the list, is already gone.
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/formal%20track%20properties/1925LibertySt-1.jpg)
1925 liberty
253 e 2nd
1112 Ionia
2011 market
1430 liberty
1145 market
115 e 3
321 e 5
1344 liberty
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/formal%20track%20properties/DSCN1353-1.jpg)
1323 Ionia
1524 market -
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/formal%20track%20properties/1547PearlSt.jpg)
1647 pearl
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/formal%20track%20properties/DSCN1351.jpg)
423 walnut ct
I am hearing NOT NSP3 funds.
Working on confirming.
I don't think it is NSP money either iloveionia
We are entitled to know where the funds come from to demolish these houses. Then we can check to make sure that funding source is okay with tearing down an endangered historic district.
posted on myspringfield:
QuoteRe: Rumor has it: Code has received funding to bulldoze mor
Postby movedsouth » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:00 pm
Complete list by streets. All but one are on the east side.
Code: Select all
253 E 2nd
115 E 3rd
321 E 5th
1647 Pearl Street
1344 Liberty
1430 Liberty
1925 Liberty
1112 Ionia
1323 Ionia
1145 Market
1524 Market
2011 Market
423 Walnut Court
much easier to handle when it is organized. Thanks moved.
1524 Market is already gone too, right?
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=10452.0
I believe it is still standing.
I would caution that there is nothing to indicate this list is complete, or contains every formal track house.
These appear to be the ones they have funding for, or the desire to move forward with at this time. Until we are able to verify the answer to this question, I would not assume this list is comprehensive. Indeed over 20 were approved for "Formal Track" by the HPC, but only 14 properties are on this list.
Quote from: sheclown on October 05, 2011, 02:39:31 PM
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=10452.0
I believe it is still standing.
Sorry, I was thinking of the wrong one.
I just went by 1925 Liberty, since it is around the corner from where I live - that house does NOT need to come down! Its just outrageous
All houses are still standing.
Re funding:
I am told "that decision has not been made yet." this from MCCD
Patterson Apts. is on the list of 14.
So make that 13 on the list.
Way back when when Folio gave the kudos for "stopping" the "139" demolitions, the 139 was referring to the "unsafe structures list for 32206" those are the "13th hour houses" or "11th hour," depending whether you are for safety or preservation.
Any one of those could be on the formal track that doesn't exist.
Quote from: avs on October 05, 2011, 01:56:11 PM
I don't think it is NSP money either iloveionia
How on earth is this being funded? Any idea?
Quote from: iloveioniaApparently something demoed is being chainsawed on E. 5th, something also on the alley.
I think it may actually be a house?
You know the house on Ionia, with the old LISC sign in front of it? Not very attractive in its current state, green and boarded up? Next to the ONH bungalow? On the north side of the bungalow. There is a house behind it, I think the address is 1340 Ionia. Technically these are two houses on two separate lots, but it is one house in front of the other. It's a split lot with no front access. It sold several years ago for 13k. Is it that one? The house is only accessible from the alley. I believe the bottom half is block construction and the top is cedar shake. The block is white, the shake dark green.
It's the garage apartments behind 422 E 5th, they were condemned and the person living in one of them was told to leave. It's Sandra's relatives that have been staying in there and they're the ones who have been doing some demolition on their own, but the building is still there. The chainsaw is them cutting down trees on their property
The City is cutting jobs....but miraculously has money to bulldoze historic homes.
Now something is wrong with this picture :(
I thought Sandra's was 3 houses on a lot.
I wish she wouldn't have moved.
We have 120 days
Why can't they use the money to secure the houses until someone appears who can make productive use of them?
To demolish those structures is so short sighted.
Why aren't the homes being sold at auction? If it's good enough for a mortgage company, it should be good enough for the city. Surely, it would offset some of the money they've already put into securing the properties and would certainly keep them from having to spend more on demolition. Not to mention, just cause there isn't a house on the property doesn't mean it doesn't have to be maintained. The city would still be responsible for mowing and fencing.
^^^ there are many of us that agree with that.
Why does the city WANT these places destroyed? Who the hell is in a position of power that wants to find monies to level buildings that are clearly not posing any danger?
In a time where this money could be used to employ people who need jobs , they are mowing down buildings. STUPID.
Just my 2 cents Tim, But I believe a lot of those people live on the south side of the river..and could give a Riverside Rats Ass about anything that happens on the "Other Bank".
Starting from the edge of Riverside to the Northside they think this side is scum.
I don't think any city council members (or other above the law makers) have been in Springfield for the last 13 years.
they look once and that is enough for a permanent opinion.
at least three council members have toured springfield since the last election. the neighborhood is well connected for such a small spot.
Quote from: Ernest Street on January 13, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Just my 2 cents Tim, But I believe a lot of those people live on the south side of the river..and could give a Riverside Rats Ass about anything that happens on the "Other Bank".
Starting from the edge of Riverside to the Northside they think this side is scum.
I don't think any city council members (or other above the law makers) have been in Springfield for the last 13 years.
they look once and that is enough for a permanent opinion.
I think your two cents may be spot on ! :)
Look at the waste of resources that Council Member Schellenberg is creating with his Don Quixote style fight against mothballing. And according to himself, he couldn't even tell Main Street from 8th Street in Springfield. There are a lot of sub urban districts who just don't get it. Would be best for them to just leave Springfield (and the urban core) alone.
Quote from: movedsouth on January 14, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
Look at the waste of resources that Council Member Schellenberg is creating with his Don Quixote style fight against mothballing. And according to himself, he couldn't even tell Main Street from 8th Street in Springfield. There are a lot of sub urban districts who just don't get it. Would be best for them to just leave Springfield (and the urban core) alone.
^^ would be best for folks like him to not even represent in council. Can we fire him? :P
QuoteWhy does the city WANT these places destroyed? Who the hell is in a position of power that wants to find monies to level buildings that are clearly not posing any danger?
In a time where this money could be used to employ people who need jobs , they are mowing down buildings. STUPID.
Remember all those people who said "I'm with Alvin", ask one of them. They should know why there is no money from HUD to reuse the buildings for the people who need them. Go to the top, ask the mayor, but be ready for the HAND.
Quote from: mtraininjax on January 16, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
QuoteWhy does the city WANT these places destroyed? Who the hell is in a position of power that wants to find monies to level buildings that are clearly not posing any danger?
In a time where this money could be used to employ people who need jobs , they are mowing down buildings. STUPID.
Remember all those people who said "I'm with Alvin", ask one of them. They should know why there is no money from HUD to reuse the buildings for the people who need them. Go to the top, ask the mayor, but be ready for the HAND.
I suppose the demolitions would have stopped if Mike Hogan was elected mayor. ::)
Considering that Mike Hogan made it clear he didn't care about the urban core, I highly doubt it. What was it he said? I don't care about downtown, I'm one of YOU? Something along those lines, anyway.
^I believe his line was "he stands with us", which was included in his ad that blasted Alvin Brown for wanting to "spend even more downtown". IIRC the ad implied that all downtown projects were the Courthouse and the Skyway.
Oh, yeah, that sounds right. And I'm sorry I hijacked the thread. We were talking about funding for demolitions in Springfield, which I abhor.
The mayor doesn't have anything to do with HUD money - that's federal money. Some comes straight from the feds other of it gets filtered through state programs. The mayor doesn't dictate how HUD money is spent in Jax though. And even if s/he did, Hogan certainly wouldn't have been spending it in a way to benefit the urban core.
I agree with Debbie, back to code enforcement - whom I witnessed harrassing the second recipient of a Make it Happen project this morning. We will go down there later today and see what they were harrassing Kenny about.
I will also say that I have had a number of people tell me latley that Riverside can't seem to find a code officer anywhere. When they call in complaints over there, they can't get code out there! They are all fixated on Springfield and IMO, its because its easy pickins with low income people and old buildings. I had some one tell me they were seated once next to a table of code enforcemnt officers who were discussing the pool they had going on to see who get dish out the most citations. That is a problem.
Code enforcement works strictly off of the City Line complaints, not their own initiative. If a certain section of Springfield is getting targeted then there is someone filing a lot of complaints.
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 02, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
Code enforcement works strictly off of the City Line complaints, not their own initiative. If a certain section of Springfield is getting targeted then there is someone filing a lot of complaints.
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