I decided after every game I would start a new topic. What are your thoughts on the game? Here are mine:
Our defense is outstanding! Our offensive has issues. Blaine did great in the first half, the second half the saints pass defense gave him hell in the second half, and also put alot of preassure on him. And thats when the rookie mistakes started. Which is expected. The major problem here is that we are not a passing team, and this is not something that cant be solved over night. Thomas is the only one that catches ball (and he even has quite a few drops). We need to gut our WR and start from stracth. Keep Thomas, work with Cecil Shorts and Chastin West, replace Dillard and Hill with veteran WR's. Oh yeah, and fire Del Rio. LOL
If we had a easy schedule this year we could have experimented with the passing, etc etc. But our scheduled is HARD. However it may seem weird, but I am glad that the issues on our O-line are finally being exposed. We cant hide by MJD anymore. But Im glad Gabbert is getting his first NFL with a TOUGH schedule. This experience is really going to make him a GREAT QB. He played his first game in a Monsoon and he has to face some powerful teams this year.
I think we finally have a quarterback again. But he's a rookie so it will take some time. Look for him to be good next year. This year will be great learning for him. I think in the first half, his receivers let him down. In the 2nd half he was off cause he couldn't handle the pressure from the defense. We really need some receivers who can consistently catch the darn ball.
Our defense played well in the 2nd half. Not ready to say they are awesome. My overall impression is that we have nothing to be ashamed of and it was entertaining football for a change.
Quote from: Kay on October 02, 2011, 04:18:27 PM
I think we finally have a quarterback again. But he's a rookie so it will take some time. Look for him to be good next year. This year will be great learning for him. I think in the first half, his receivers let him down. In the 2nd half he was off cause he couldn't handle the pressure from the defense. We really need some receivers who can consistently catch the darn ball.
Our defense played well in the 2nd half. Not ready to say they are awesome. My overall impression is that we have nothing to be ashamed of and it was entertaining football for a change.
Compared to last year, they are AWESOME. Im going to check tonight to see what we rank. We were 4 on defense. Im sure were still in the top five. And your right. Despite losing, it was actually entertaning. Im a die hard Jagsfan, however I dont let winning or losing dictate how I feel. If we go 1-15 this year, Im still gonna be happy and waiting on next season. We alot issues to address, and no time to address. So we just have to get through the season the way we know how. At the end of the , its just a game.
If we kick the field goals on the first two fourth downs we went for. We are seven points down with the ball near midfield and almost two minutes left. Please learn the game Jack.
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 02, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
If we kick the field goals on the first two fourth downs we went for. We are seven points down with the ball near midfield and almost two minutes left. Please learn the game Jack.
Del Rio is making it known that he is a horriable coach. WW is having a cow right now in his office. We need a new coach and some WR's and we will be straight.
1) It's no secret that the Jags are helpless when they are playing from behind, so why in the WORLD does JDR roll the dice on 4th and 5 on the very first play down the field? I just didn't understand this call at all. The Saints got great field position as a result, scored, and immediate put the Jags in the hole.
2) It might seem obvious, but I hope the city cuts Blaine some slack. He's a rookie quarterback, brought up to the starting position way more quickly than anyone expected, and he's facing one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. I think the kid has a TON of potential once he gets a little more experience under his belt, once the nerves calm down a bit, and once he has another strong WR to throw the ball too. He could also use a little better protection at times too. I agree though that this schedule is going to be the very best thing for him. Next year, he'll really be someone to keep your eye on.
I can keep it brief: Just chalk one more fan up who supports the prior statements from Duvaldude and Kay.
Spot on guys.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 02, 2011, 05:14:11 PM
1) It's no secret that the Jags are helpless when they are playing from behind, so why in the WORLD does JDR roll the dice on 4th and 5 on the very first play down the field? I just didn't understand this call at all. The Saints got great field position as a result, scored, and immediate put the Jags in the hole.
2) It might seem obvious, but I hope the city cuts Blaine some slack. He's a rookie quarterback, brought up to the starting position way more quickly than anyone expected, and he's facing one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. I think the kid has a TON of potential once he gets a little more experience under his belt, once the nerves calm down a bit, and once he has another strong WR to throw the ball too. He could also use a little better protection at times too. I agree though that this schedule is going to be the very best thing for him. Next year, he'll really be someone to keep your eye on.
We just need that ONE WR. I was just reading an article and Brunell was talking about how much of a connection that him and Jimmy Smith. They even had this little thing going like they were super heroes. LOL But he talked about how they linked up. With no offseason and the QB chasos that has occured, this is going to be a tough road this season. I was impressed at the plays they were calling, HOWEVER that is not the normal "run the ball" style we play and you cant become a passing team overnight. DR knows his jobs on the line. If we dont have another win by bye week, I have a gut feelings DR is going to be toast.
Kicking field goals doesnt win games againts team like the Saints. Lack of talent on offense big and major issue. Defense certainly playing better than last yr. I like what I saw from BG, he needs more talent around him, MJD is really the only true weapon on offense we in and we out. It looks like the Jags wont win another game this yr. Need wr's and DB next draft. O-line still needs work. Over all I was surprise they kept it a game until the end. Bring on the stripe red cats. Go Jagd
Wrong it is a field goal league. I do not think they would have won this game had they kicked those field goals but that was the strategic play Del Rio could have done and it would have in fact given them a chance instead of taking that chance away.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 02, 2011, 07:37:59 PM
Kicking field goals doesnt win games againts team like the Saints. Lack of talent on offense big and major issue. Defense certainly playing better than last yr. I like what I saw from BG, he needs more talent around him, MJD is really the only true weapon on offense we in and we out. It looks like the Jags wont win another game this yr. Need wr's and DB next draft. O-line still needs work. Over all I was surprise they kept it a game until the end. Bring on the stripe red cats. Go Jagd
I don't agree that MJD is the only talent on offense besides Gabbert. I'd throw in Mike Thomas, M. Lewis, Kharim, Hill, Z. Miller. I think we have an alright squad. I think their lack of cohesion comes from having a rookie QB, one of the hardest schedules in the league, and a lack of coherent coaching. I like J. Del Rio. I think he's an alright guy. But considering he's been around for 8+ years and we've hardly been to the playoffs 2x, I genuinely believe he's the problem.
Its a field goal league, really then the Jaguars should be undefeated, b/c thats the one thing they do well. Kicking field goasl while the other team marches up and down scoring TDs. We are talking about the NFL right? When 3 points is > than 7 someone please let me know. This team does lack talent as well as good coaching. I would suggest that some of you guys sit closer to the TV or take binoculars to the game. We saw this last yr the inability to score points, so BG may have some part in it since he's a rookie, but lets not kid ourselves. We've seen this before with DG as well. MJD is really the only threat on offense!
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 02, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
If we kick the field goals on the first two fourth downs we went for. We are seven points down with the ball near midfield and almost two minutes left. Please learn the game Jack.
exactly!
and that mattered all the more to me because Scobee is my fantasy kicker...he made it from 60 last week and 59 last year, so I think 58 (what the first one would have been) is in his range!
It also didn't help that the arrows were pointing the wrong way :D
If they had converted the 4th down everyone would saying good job and as far as fantasy points lol. NFL should do away with that all it does is encourage the me first mentality. Great halftime show by Bethune.
Your right that the call would have been wrongly applauded if successful. Down 13 with of over seven minutes is a no brainer kick the field goal. This is really just straight forward the best call in an NFL game. I don't mind if Jack's chart for when to go for it is less conservative than others. This was off the charts bad. Pure emotion not thinking clearly.
We had opportunities to win (or at the least, score) in the 4th qtr, but our red zone offense was poor. That should be the focus for the rest of the season.
The D played well enough.
Get a speed burner wide out/flanker/h-back for the outside and that would be nice too.
Not a lot of imagination in our offense. Opposing teams can key on MJD and if they can stop him what else do we have??
Del Rio needs to go. End of story. 4th and 5 on the opening drive and he goes for it. Bush league. Did anyone else notice that some of the little arrows on the field next to the numbers were painted in the wrong direction?
I eventually just figured that JDR was following them to the middle of the field, got confused, then called MJD up the middle (off tackle right of course).
I like our Defense though...
Yeah I noticed the arrows it through me off a few times.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-yardage-arrows-are-pointing-the-wrong-way-in?urn=nfl-wp8401
The arrows made it on to Yahoo sports. Looks like it may be the only way our team will get noticed this year.
The Jags have it in them to do better. Let's hope they do better against Cincinnati next week.
Del Riho is on Dope man.. Get his ass outta here or get WW outta here too.
Saw the B-52 flyover on TV... must have been awesome at the stadium! Great shots of the city on the tube...
Quote from: chipwich on October 02, 2011, 11:46:41 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-yardage-arrows-are-pointing-the-wrong-way-in?urn=nfl-wp8401
The arrows made it on to Yahoo sports. Looks like it may be the only way our team will get noticed this year.
The Jags have it in them to do better. Let's hope they do better against Cincinnati next week.
"The ones(arrows) on the bottom are a visual metaphor for how hard it's been for the Jags to score this season"
Oh dear, that hurts. Well atleast they were pretty funny in razzing us. :-[ :D
Quote from: RockStar on October 02, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Del Rio needs to go. End of story. 4th and 5 on the opening drive and he goes for it. Bush league. Did anyone else notice that some of the little arrows on the field next to the numbers were painted in the wrong direction?
I eventually just figured that JDR was following them to the middle of the field, got confused, then called MJD up the middle (off tackle right of course).
I like our Defense though...
Easy to blame Del Rio for that but the play before Mojo dropped a sure first down pass. Just the first of a few drops by our players.
it was a tough loss. Hopefully they cant put together a win for next Sunday. The shots of the city on TV looked great though!
A few further thoughts:
1) Despite Gabbert's lackluster numbers yesterday, after years upon years of relatively low-scoring, ground and pound football from the Jags, it was pretty exciting to see our offense throwing 42 passes yesterday afternoon. It certainly makes for entertaining football, especially when the rookie gets a little more experience under his belt.
2) Worst case scenario for this season might actually make for the best case scenario for next season. There are far worse things than the Jags taking their lumps this year with a ridiculously tough schedule, getting some miles on Gabbert, ending the season with a losing record, picking high in the draft, and starting next season fresh with a new coach.
In the event that the Jags miss the postseason, who do you guys think we should aggressively pursue for head coach in the offseason?
Quote from: copperfiend on October 03, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: RockStar on October 02, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Del Rio needs to go. End of story. 4th and 5 on the opening drive and he goes for it. Bush league. Did anyone else notice that some of the little arrows on the field next to the numbers were painted in the wrong direction?
I eventually just figured that JDR was following them to the middle of the field, got confused, then called MJD up the middle (off tackle right of course).
I like our Defense though...
Easy to blame Del Rio for that but the play before Mojo dropped a sure first down pass. Just the first of a few drops by our players.
Del Rio is the majority of the problem. The O-line is the minority. Del Rio has created a "run only" team and it has taken its toll on us..... We need an Off season to fix this. We need offense schemes and need to draft some WR's. ANd yeah and a new coach!
Quote from: copperfiend on October 03, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: RockStar on October 02, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Del Rio needs to go. End of story. 4th and 5 on the opening drive and he goes for it. Bush league. Did anyone else notice that some of the little arrows on the field next to the numbers were painted in the wrong direction?
I eventually just figured that JDR was following them to the middle of the field, got confused, then called MJD up the middle (off tackle right of course).
I like our Defense though...
Easy to blame Del Rio for that but the play before Mojo dropped a sure first down pass. Just the first of a few drops by our players.
If we are complaining about the decisions to go for it on fourth downs who else could we blame?
It is a field goal league even the High Power Saint's offense kicked more field goals than touchdowns. They even attempted another.
DIRK KOETTER IS THE PROBLEM, HE HAS TO GO. Del Rio may be a contributor by not stepping in, but Dirk's playcalling is unoriginal AND COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE.
He follows his gameplan to a fault, whether it is working or not. He absolutely does not make "on the go" adjustments to the game's momentum and opportunities.
HOW IS IT THAT WE HAVE A PRO BOWL TIGHT END, RUNNING BACK, & quarterback that WILL be a stud in this league and we can't score points?!?!!?!?!?!?
Remember the article last year about how Garrards wife confronted Koetter about letting him roll out and not forcing him to pocket pass? It was spun as being cute, but isn't funny at all. How do you have an offensive coordinator that doesn't know his players strengths and weaknesses?
Why pass twice on 3rd and 2 when your running back is averaging 7 yards per carry???? HIS PLAY CALLING MAKES NO SENSE. ALL OF THAT IS ON DIRK KOETTER.
^^ and Del Rio allows it. Which shows how clueless he is as well. They both gotta go. Im sick of this.
Let's start with the fact that we were a lot more competitive in the first half than either the fans or the Saints were anticipating. Gabbert looked calm, made some really good throws and was 'reading' the defense really well. What I don't like to see is the poor execution of play-action - 3 or 4 times he play-faked to a side where there wasn't even an RB - you're not fooling anybody by faking a handoff to air. IMO, we were in a spread, shotgun set too often. We are known as a running team and need to play from a pro-set on 60%-70% of the time. Mix it up here and there, but stick to what we're known for and that will allow us to use play-action more effectively. The TD pass to Z.Miller was a thing of beauty. Not only was it a great catch in coverage, but the reason he was able to make it was because our QB threw the ball to a spot, not waiting on the reciever to get open, but throwing it where he was supposed to end up. Awesome. Now we need to work on it a lot more at practice, because I saw it happen 3 or 4 other times when a.) the reciever wasn't expecting the ball, b.) the ball wasn't thrown where it was supposed to be or c.) niether the reciever or the ball was where they were supposed to be. But, the one highlight he made was awesome.
Here's where we got trapped. The Saints played a base, vanilla defense the entire first half - knowing that we may score, but knowing that they could score at will. If anyone was wondering what happened to Blaine in the second half, it was the fact that he was seeing the same fronts, but at the snap of the ball, the linebackers would drop into a zone, a safety would blitz and the linemen would stunt. It was confusing the shit out of him - part of being a rookie. The sacks that I noticed came from outside backs (whether they were DEs or LBs) showing outside pressure and then stunting around to the middle - he had no where to go. And he didn't see the traps in time to change his protection - part of being a rookie.
The drops have got to stop - on both sides of the ball. 4th & 5 even if you're falling down Hill, that ball was in your hands. 3rd and 8 - c'mon Mojo, you've got to make that catch. Poz - if another potential Int hits you in the hands and you drop it again, you just need to start doing pushups in the middle of the field - at least 6 (the amount of Ints you've dropped so far this season).
Deji Karim is tiptoeing. We need someone else to return kicks, because he seems to be running scared on returns and he's definitely not hitting the hole as a RB. A play that stands out was a counter play to the left. He didn't see a hole so he started tiptoeing, just long enough for the end to shed his block and put him down for a loss. Had he just tried to explode, we would have gotten at least 2 yds - and possibly broken the run if the DE didn't catch a big piece as he went by. We need to leave Mojo in for at least 25-30 runs and another 5-10 pass plays and stop rotating the backs so often. It takes a RB a few plays to get a groove and it also wears down the defense when we just pound the ball. I caught myself screaming at the TV for us to run more - and that never happens.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 03, 2011, 10:50:18 AM
A few further thoughts:
1) Despite Gabbert's lackluster numbers yesterday, after years upon years of relatively low-scoring, ground and pound football from the Jags, it was pretty exciting to see our offense throwing 42 passes yesterday afternoon. It certainly makes for entertaining football, especially when the rookie gets a little more experience under his belt.
2) Worst case scenario for this season might actually make for the best case scenario for next season. There are far worse things than the Jags taking their lumps this year with a ridiculously tough schedule, getting some miles on Gabbert, ending the season with a losing record, picking high in the draft, and starting next season fresh with a new coach.
Totally agree with the above. My vote is for Bill Cowher. Would love Coughlin back but that's not gonna happen.
In the event that the Jags miss the postseason, who do you guys think we should aggressively pursue for head coach in the offseason?
Jags are not going to the post season and the Saints Kicked more field goals in the second half because thats all they really needed. We had already scored our 1 TD per game. Jags will not win when they fall behind more than 10 points. Since Del Rio has been the coach Jags have never won a game when they have trailed more than 10 points. This season is a lost, I am just going to enjoy watching BG develope, thats all you can hope for this yr and maybe some exciting plays here and there.
QuoteThis season is a lost, I am just going to enjoy watching BG develope, thats all you can hope for this yr and maybe some exciting plays here and there.
Wow, season already over, bury the head in the sand, watch the Gators, or not since they lost their QB, after FSU lost their QB, wow, notice a pattern here.......
Gabbert was not as sharp as he could have been, but hey, New Orleans is a heckuva good team too, they have a Super Bowl QB who was pretty darn good at throwing and evading our DLs as well. They dominated Time of Possession with 38 minutes compared to our 22 minutes. The four and outs killed us, but if BG completes one of the passes in the Red Zone for a TD with 4 minutes left to go, its a new ball game.
Our D was fantastic, it was the O that was an issue, and Drew needs the ball more than 11 times in a game. That was pathetic in my opinion, but hey, we can beat Cincy at home and Pitt was beaten by Houston, and Pitt only scored 10 points, so don't lose faith just yet! Long way to go and our best DL player has yet to play 1 down.
LOL but if, what if, shoulda if, sounds like someone from Jacksonville, anyway I dont say seasons over as a bad thing. I actually enjoyed the game Sunday, why b/c I know the Jags had no chance in winning. I just wanted the team to compete well and they did that for about 2qtrs. So the Steelers only scored 10 points, so that means when we play them the game will end in a tie right? lol.
The first half was really good. We had a shot at winning, but I don't know what happened in the second half. We had the opportunities to get more points but it just couldn't happen. Overall, though, I was pleased with how they played.
Quote from: iMarvin on October 03, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
The first half was really good. We had a shot at winning, but I don't know what happened in the second half. We had the opportunities to get more points but it just couldn't happen. Overall, though, I was pleased with how they played.
New orleans defense start pressuring Gabby in the second half and he started to crack. That coupled with receivers not catching the ball. However I am still concerned that our offense has no balance. New Orleans used their brain...Pass the first half, run the second half. I thought that was what we were going to do, but instead we kept throwing the ball and it was not working. We should have run the ball more the second half. MJD was hungry to get out there. Play calling is just terriable.
QuoteHowever I am still concerned that our offense has no balance.
I disagree, there was balance. Check the tape, on a few of our drives, we run on 1st down, run on 2nd down, so instead of running again on 3rd down, we run a screen which allows the DE/LB for NO to crash down hard and we end up getting 7-8 yards or more.
No we don't have Calvin Johnson or Jimmy Smith on the field at WR, we need one, but we gotta play with the guys we have and build the offense around them. Gabbert missed some throws badly, but heck, so did Brees and Manning(s) in their first years. This kid has the tools and talent to be very very good.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 03, 2011, 07:57:22 PM
LOL but if, what if, shoulda if, sounds like someone from Jacksonville, anyway I dont say seasons over as a bad thing. I actually enjoyed the game Sunday, why b/c I know the Jags had no chance in winning. I just wanted the team to compete well and they did that for about 2qtrs. So the Steelers only scored 10 points, so that means when we play them the game will end in a tie right? lol.
No, it means we beat the Bengals 10-7 this Sunday because we're a 2 1/2 point favorite.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 03, 2011, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on October 03, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
The first half was really good. We had a shot at winning, but I don't know what happened in the second half. We had the opportunities to get more points but it just couldn't happen. Overall, though, I was pleased with how they played.
New orleans defense start pressuring Gabby in the second half and he started to crack. That coupled with receivers not catching the ball. However I am still concerned that our offense has no balance. New Orleans used their brain...Pass the first half, run the second half. I thought that was what we were going to do, but instead we kept throwing the ball and it was not working. We should have run the ball more the second half. MJD was hungry to get out there. Play calling is just terriable.
I usually want us to throw more, but we threw too much on Sunday. I think MJD should've got the ball a lot more than he did. We seriously could've won that game. We definitely need to call better plays. Some were just bizzare. But, for some reason, I still feel like we could make the playoffs.
Quote from: iMarvin on October 04, 2011, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 03, 2011, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on October 03, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
The first half was really good. We had a shot at winning, but I don't know what happened in the second half. We had the opportunities to get more points but it just couldn't happen. Overall, though, I was pleased with how they played.
New orleans defense start pressuring Gabby in the second half and he started to crack. That coupled with receivers not catching the ball. However I am still concerned that our offense has no balance. New Orleans used their brain...Pass the first half, run the second half. I thought that was what we were going to do, but instead we kept throwing the ball and it was not working. We should have run the ball more the second half. MJD was hungry to get out there. Play calling is just terriable.
I usually want us to throw more, but we threw too much on Sunday. I think MJD should've got the ball a lot more than he did. We seriously could've won that game. We definitely need to call better plays. Some were just bizzare. But, for some reason, I still feel like we could make the playoffs.
I dunno... We have to get it together QUICK if we are even going to say the word playoff. Hopefully we work out the kinks on the offense and have a good win this week.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 04, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on October 04, 2011, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 03, 2011, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on October 03, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
The first half was really good. We had a shot at winning, but I don't know what happened in the second half. We had the opportunities to get more points but it just couldn't happen. Overall, though, I was pleased with how they played.
New orleans defense start pressuring Gabby in the second half and he started to crack. That coupled with receivers not catching the ball. However I am still concerned that our offense has no balance. New Orleans used their brain...Pass the first half, run the second half. I thought that was what we were going to do, but instead we kept throwing the ball and it was not working. We should have run the ball more the second half. MJD was hungry to get out there. Play calling is just terriable.
I usually want us to throw more, but we threw too much on Sunday. I think MJD should've got the ball a lot more than he did. We seriously could've won that game. We definitely need to call better plays. Some were just bizzare. But, for some reason, I still feel like we could make the playoffs.
I dunno... We have to get it together QUICK if we are even going to say the word playoff. Hopefully we work out the kinks on the offense and have a good win this week.
Lol. Yeah, most of our problems are easy fixes so we SHOULD win next week. They just have to be more consistent.
6 - 10 this season:(
We have to have FULL CONSISTENCY!
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 04, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
We have to have FULL CONSISTENCY!
Also, our greatness must be great.
Ahhhh, the good ol' days....
This is my version of Coach Vic's pregame speech:
Football is a tough game for tough guys. We need to show up today with FULL CONSISTENCY, win the battle of turnover, and run the ball, stop the run. Guys, you've gotta understand that this game is about human confrontation and we're not going to take what they give us. We're gonna take what we want! It's all about players, not plays and I'm telling you men sitting here today, before we head out onto that field and compete, Just win, Baby!
Quote from: urbaknight on October 04, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
6 - 10 this season:(
Where are those 5 wins coming from? 1-15 on the way be ready Anyone mentioning playoffs needs a CT scan stat, may have a blood clot!!!
Game plays are all a matter of timing and being a split second ahead of the opposing teams response. As mentioned earlier, firing the ball at a predetermined point and knowing that the receiver will be there proactively and not just waiting for a lob, should make all the difference in yardage gains. It works the same way on running plays. The blocks are placed in such a way that the ball carrier knows that if he zigs then zags the preset pattern he's through the defense wall. The coaches should watch a few soccer games and see how it's done at high speed, not the ready, set, go of American football.