First Coast news showed Councilwoman Kimberly Daniels at the most recent council meeting ranting about gays and Muslims. What happened to provoke this outburst?
Here's the link. Some of us tried to warn you, Jacksonville.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/220840/483/Councilwoman-Kimberly-Daniels-Goes-On-Rant-About-Human-Rights
Given that nobody seemed to be paying any attention to her, I see this as more good news than bad.
Well, yes, there is that good news. :)
Now if only we could get people to show the same disregard for Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman.
I know good ole Kim Daniels was gonna show up. Nice to see how everyone ignored her.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on September 28, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
Now if only we could get people to show the same disregard for Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman.
and Rick Scott
I personally think she is incompetent for the position, the true definition of ignorant.
* Sigh....... Its going to be a long time til the next election :(
I wonder what Don Redman must be thinking...
Whose head got cut off? What is she talking about?
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The big news here is that Jacksonville finally seems to have elected a worse councilperson than Yarborough.
So many right wing nuts...is this really what jacksonville is made of?
Quote from: Garden guy on September 29, 2011, 08:14:50 AM
So many right wing nuts...is this really what jacksonville is made of?
She's a Dem. I tried to warn my friends, but most only knew the mayoral race, then went party line. Unfortunately, this was a cost of Brown getting elected.
Garden guy, this is the problem with you only voting for Democrats. Sometimes the worst candidate on the ballot is from our party. In those cases, you have to break the party mold and vote for the lesser of evils. Or skip that line on the ballot, which some people certainly did.
Bridges, well said. The Mayoral race filtered down to some extent to that At-Large contest. But I have a friend who ran an analysis of the race. In places around town where LGBT were most vocal about how bad for Jacksonville Daniels would be, votes for the Mayor weren't automatically votes for Daniels. That tells me we could have done more on the education front. Maybe by 2015 we'll be better organized to do just that.
Notice that Yarborough and Redman voted with her to abolish the Human Rights Commission. Birds of a feather?
Indeed, Dog Walker. They are absolutely on the fringes.
You're right about splitting the vote on Daniels and Brown. But the biggest problem was the jerk who ran against her. A no win race to the bottom.
NPR did a whole segment on the Dominionist movement in August explaining the Dominionist movement and it motivators. http://www.npr.org/2011/08/24/139781021/the-evangelicals-engaged-in-spiritual-warfare
Kimberly Daniels is an apostle in this movement https://kimberlydaniels.com/Main.php. I also note that near the end of her campaign for city council she removed several sections with the most egregious comments from her website.
If you listen to the entire NPR interview (its almost 40 minutes so get comfortable) there is also a brief discussion about one of the tactics their movement employed in Texas to run African-American candidates as Democrats with the purpose of undermining the Democratic party in the African-American Communities. Given the views Kimberly Daniels has published on Democrats, Obama, and liberals, it is clear to me she is part of this strategy.
For a refresher on Kimberly Daniels, read this thread http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=11972.0
She's a pathetic nut job. Speaking of, did you see Clay Yarborough found a 'wife'?
;Naughty, Stephen! Funny, but naughty. ;)
Quote from: stephendare on September 29, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: ubben on September 29, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
She's a pathetic nut job. Speaking of, did you see Clay Yarborough found a 'wife'?
really? Is the adam's apple visible?
I'll let you be the judge...There's a picture of the happy couple in this rather nauseating article from the weekend.
http://jacksonville.com/entertainment/relationships/2011-09-25/story/i-do-i-do-persistence-pays-jacksonville-councilman
So... When Clay was 28, he was pursuing a 20 year old UNF student..... That's not creepy.
Also, how recently was Kim Daniels a prostitute??
Why make an issue of Clay getting married. Good for him. I thought this thread was about daniels???
Clay and Daniels and Redman are birds of a feather.
But I agree generally that Clay's wedding is far afield.
Insulting Yarborough and worse, his wife, on a personal level is beneath all of us here. There's plenty to complain about in his actions and record on the city council, let's stick to that.
And Captain, IIRC Daniels says she was a prostitute when she was in her 20s, when she was addicted to drugs. She later found religion and turned her life around. She eventually became a (nutty) preacher and has run her (nutty) church for the last 15 years.
Kimberly Daniels is really Pat Lockett-Felder in new attire. She's back!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 29, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
Notice that Yarborough and Redman voted with her to abolish the Human Rights Commission. Birds of a feather?
....if they are feathers on a bright pink boa, then yes. We all know who loves wearing pink boas. ;D
I love how she wraps herself in the Constitution saying it's her right as an American and Councilwoman to point this out. I hear similar rants from Michele Bachman and she is nuttier than fruitcake.
I think that Council Member Daniels sums up what Shelton Hull has been trying to say to local Democrats. Our local government, he asserts, does not have to be one-sided in favor of one political party. Sitting out elections because "they fear that they do not have a chance" does more harm than good. We end up having candidates winning elections by default and without any real debates or challenges. Ms. Daniels, to give credit where credit is due, put herself in the ring and took a chance on winning. Just think of the other Democrats who passed on running for that seat. It could have been different if someone decided to take the same stand that Ms. Daniels took. Were there people who were better suited for that seat? We don't know and probably won't know until Democrats take a stand and start fielding candidates up and down the ballot.
I have a problem with anyone "christian" who think its their job to condemn people to hell and force their religion on others. I am a devout Christian and she makes me sick to my stomach. But in all honestly, as an African American, this is very common in the church. "Homosexuality" is the hot topic amongst a large amount of black leaders in the church.
I appreciate all the comments about Ms. Daniels personal problems. She seems to be a driven person. But here is the thing- this is our City Council. It represents the citizens of Jacksonville. Council business is not conducted behind closed doors or without the presence of media representatives. They are broadcast and quoted.
So, what is correct about sitting still and allowing this kind of hate speech. Believe me, if this were directed at most other groups or singled out individuals for exaggerated claims of terrorism, there would be a a big backlash. The council chairman would be pounding the podium, and other council members would denounce the speaker. Shame on the council for allowing this to happen. Shame on the members for letting their embarrassment or whatever shut their mouths.
I certainly agree with those sentiments, JJ. The Councilwoman made some strange claims about two groups and one individual public servant who all play an important part in the city of Jacksonville.
I personally think she should be censured by Council resolution for her negative comments about Muslims, gays, and Dr. Ahmed. Dr. Admed, who I'm sure has nothing to do with anyone's decapitation, may even have legal recourse against the City of Jacksonville and Daniels, personally, for her slander.
From my memory, I believe you must address your comments to the Council as a whole, rather than directing public comments to a specific Councilperson. But I suppose one could address the whole Council regarding an incident that happened to involve a specific Councilperson.
Quote from: stephendare on September 30, 2011, 09:28:57 AM
And seriously, I think its a shame that people are so abused and crushed by feelings of self hatred coming from these few holdouts of right wing evangelicalism.
Kim is supposedly a 'former' lesbian as well. (read her autobiographical rants or listen to her various 'testimonies').
Its tragic the things that self hatred drives people to do and claim in public. Whenever I hear rants like this, I just feel like the person has tremendous and deep problems that they cannot seem to overcome.
What drives a person to shout and rave in public against other people like that anyways? It doesnt come from a place of happiness or well being.
And tacachale, I am a longtime member of first baptist. I stopped going as much during the wholly insane ministry of Jerry Vines, as did most of the congregation----the church still hasnt recovered from the damage caused by that hateful old man---and I can tell you from very personal experience how many self loathing gay and lesbian people are in that congregation.
Jacksonville's public life seems to be caught permanently in the 70s / 80s when admitting to being gay was still tabu in the country at large.
It hasnt kept us from having a heavily gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered field of public officials and activists, oddly. They just don't ask and dont tell anybody about it.
Just a few years ago, there were three gay councilmen, a gay superintendent of schools and closeted bisexual executives at the local and state level.
And Jacksonville has the kind of amusing distinction of having a transgendered person become one of the most iconic and fiery community activists for preservation in the state of florida. Yet its all secret and hush hush.
I think as of right now, the only openly gay person in government is Bob White, the executive director of the Cultural Council. He and his long time partner Bruce were quite prominently out when Bob was appointed.
One of his predecessors, Barbara Bennisch was also lesbian, and it was an open secret, but it wasnt generally open.
If you knew who was gay, lesbian, bisexual in this city in terms of leadership, finance, politics and activism you would come away with the impression that Jax was one of the most progressive cities (still) in America on the issue.
And yet we still have this kind of hate speech conducted in public---mostly by people who are themselves gay/lesbian/bisexual. And the hate speech, I believe, comes from an internal voice that has been pointed inwardly for most of their lives.
I think Kimberly is a tragic and possibly dangerous person. No doubt this reincarnation as a fire and brimstone preacher gives her an outlet besides suicide of manifesting her hatred of everything that she spent the first part of her life being, but she is breeding those same feelings of self loathing in a new generation of people and its just very sad.
You'll get no argument from me about the religious hypocrisy that keeps so many in the closet and the awful consequences it has for themselves, the others they targer, and the culture at large. Daniels is a sad case and this embarrassing show is likely only the beginning. We should not shrug it off.
Quote from: Tacachale on September 30, 2011, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 30, 2011, 09:28:57 AM
And seriously, I think its a shame that people are so abused and crushed by feelings of self hatred coming from these few holdouts of right wing evangelicalism.
Kim is supposedly a 'former' lesbian as well. (read her autobiographical rants or listen to her various 'testimonies').
Its tragic the things that self hatred drives people to do and claim in public. Whenever I hear rants like this, I just feel like the person has tremendous and deep problems that they cannot seem to overcome.
What drives a person to shout and rave in public against other people like that anyways? It doesnt come from a place of happiness or well being.
And tacachale, I am a longtime member of first baptist. I stopped going as much during the wholly insane ministry of Jerry Vines, as did most of the congregation----the church still hasnt recovered from the damage caused by that hateful old man---and I can tell you from very personal experience how many self loathing gay and lesbian people are in that congregation.
Jacksonville's public life seems to be caught permanently in the 70s / 80s when admitting to being gay was still tabu in the country at large.
It hasnt kept us from having a heavily gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered field of public officials and activists, oddly. They just don't ask and dont tell anybody about it.
Just a few years ago, there were three gay councilmen, a gay superintendent of schools and closeted bisexual executives at the local and state level.
And Jacksonville has the kind of amusing distinction of having a transgendered person become one of the most iconic and fiery community activists for preservation in the state of florida. Yet its all secret and hush hush.
I think as of right now, the only openly gay person in government is Bob White, the executive director of the Cultural Council. He and his long time partner Bruce were quite prominently out when Bob was appointed.
One of his predecessors, Barbara Bennisch was also lesbian, and it was an open secret, but it wasnt generally open.
If you knew who was gay, lesbian, bisexual in this city in terms of leadership, finance, politics and activism you would come away with the impression that Jax was one of the most progressive cities (still) in America on the issue.
And yet we still have this kind of hate speech conducted in public---mostly by people who are themselves gay/lesbian/bisexual. And the hate speech, I believe, comes from an internal voice that has been pointed inwardly for most of their lives.
I think Kimberly is a tragic and possibly dangerous person. No doubt this reincarnation as a fire and brimstone preacher gives her an outlet besides suicide of manifesting her hatred of everything that she spent the first part of her life being, but she is breeding those same feelings of self loathing in a new generation of people and its just very sad.
You'll get no argument from me about the religious hypocrisy that keeps so many in the closet and the awful consequences it has for themselves, the others they targer, and the culture at large. Daniels is a sad case and this embarrassing show is likely only the beginning. We should not shrug it off.
I know right! Just wait until the issue of adding sexual orientation to the human rights ordiance hits the council. She'll probably have her bible ready.
DD, I think she'll actually help the cause, when that time comes. She has a following, but it's not in the mainstream of Jacksonville. It's not even in the mainstream of the City Council anymore. Times are changing with some of the new (and a few of the old) Councilmembers.
Quote from: Jimmy on September 30, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
DD, I think she'll actually help the cause, when that time comes. She has a following, but it's not in the mainstream of Jacksonville. It's not even in the mainstream of the City Council anymore. Times are changing with some of the new (and a few of the old) Councilmembers.
I hope so Jimmy!
Quote from: Jimmy on September 30, 2011, 01:39:00 PM
I certainly agree with those sentiments, JJ. The Councilwoman made some strange claims about two groups and one individual public servant who all play an important part in the city of Jacksonville.
I personally think she should be censured by Council resolution for her negative comments about Muslims, gays, and Dr. Ahmed. Dr. Admed, who I'm sure has nothing to do with anyone's decapitation, may even have legal recourse against the City of Jacksonville and Daniels, personally, for her slander.
I'd think this would definitely be considered defamation. I doubt he'd pursue such a thing though, it's just not the kind of guy he is.
Quote from: Jaxson on September 29, 2011, 04:29:06 AM
I wonder what Don Redman must be thinking...
"Hey, Im finally not the biggest bigot and homophobe on city council!!!"