According to Vito Stellino, the Jags will likely be buying their own tickets to lift the Week 1 blackout.
He's skeptical that it will actually do any good in the long run.
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/9/4/2404197/report-blackout-to-be-lifted-week-1
I figured they were going to. They probably come out cheaper doing that versus Everbank taking back 100,000. Actually the Saints game and Raven MNF game is looking really good actually. The Bengels game has blackout written all over it though. We just have to take it week by week.
Bad move in my opinion. Never get people to buy your product if you keep giving it away.
Quote from: Bridges on September 06, 2011, 10:51:09 AM
Bad move in my opinion. Never get people to buy your product if you keep giving it away.
Blackout would be equally as bad. So its really a lose=lose situation. However I do agree its something we should not pratice on a regular basis. Tampa hid their black out problems for a few years because the team was buying up the unsold tickets. The same thing with the Chargers. the city was buying up unsold tickets. This should be use only as a move of disparity. This shouldn't be the norm.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 06, 2011, 10:58:06 AM
Blackout would be equally as bad. So its really a lose=lose situation.
Why would a blackout be equally bad? Blackouts are proven ticket sales generators. That's why the rule is in place. All we do by lifting the blackout is ingrain the idea that you can sit at home and watch the games. In the previous CBA and the New one, ticket sales are the life blood of the franchise.
I agree that the payback to Everbank makes this decision seem wise in the short term, but it's at the expense of a long and viable franchise life.
"Blackouts are proven ticket sales generators."
Is there any proof to that? I have always wondered how many people actually buy tickets because they know they won't be able to sit at home and watch it. I am sure there is a certain percent, but which is worth more, the extra tickets sold or continuing to show your product? I don't believe other sports have a blackout rule, and if you are putting 50-60 thousand people in the seats, is attendance really that big of a problem?
Exactly Jacksonville put an average of 63K in the seats last year. For the most part the blackout rule is a solution looking for a problem.
Blackouts are an ageing philosphy. I feel you hurt your product way more by not having it on at all. You lose local advertising money, you have to pay back Everbank, and you piss off your few remaing fans. To me, this is a no brainer. Plus, Weaver is not 'giving away' the product. The Jags can buy their remaining unsold tickets for pennies on the dollar as the NFL allows them to. Blackouts need to go the way of the dodo bird and fast. I guarantee you the league will act on this and soon.
One more point, everyone I know that watched the games during our blackout year did so on Internet streams as opposed to going and buying tickets due to the blackout. People will find a way to watch it free, so why fight it?
Quote from: Lucasjj on September 06, 2011, 11:12:52 AM
"Blackouts are proven ticket sales generators."
Is there any proof to that? I have always wondered how many people actually buy tickets because they know they won't be able to sit at home and watch it. I am sure there is a certain percent, but which is worth more, the extra tickets sold or continuing to show your product? I don't believe other sports have a blackout rule, and if you are putting 50-60 thousand people in the seats, is attendance really that big of a problem?
Yes they are. 2 years ago when we had blackouts, there would be a ticket purchase spike. All be it, not a 9,000 spike.
What is the value of continuing to show your product (Giving it away)? Ticket sales are the life blood revenue generator for each independent franchise. Now with a total revenue model for the CBA, teams unable to continually sell out there stadiums, will go deeper into debt as they have to still spend at the percentage of total revenue. As a business, what benefit is there to giving your product away?
You're looking at attendance solely from the wrong perspective. Attendance isn't an issue because, well, there just aren't that many people there. No, attendance is an issue because ticket sales are the lifeblood of the franchise.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:17:39 AM
Blackouts are an ageing philosphy. I feel you hurt your product way more by not having it on at all. You lose local advertising money, you have to pay back Everbank, and you piss off your few remaing fans. To me, this is a no brainer. Plus, Weaver is not 'giving away' the product. The Jags can buy their remaining unsold tickets for pennies on the dollar as the NFL allows them to. Blackouts need to go the way of the dodo bird and fast. I guarantee you the league will act on this and soon.
Again, you all are looking at this in all the wrong way. The "value" you all think they are creating doesn't pay players, doesn't pay overhead.
This isn't about what makes financial sense this week. This is about how will you make money in order to spend to the required amounts.
^Not to mention what tends to happen to franchises who consistently can't fill seats. They move.
Quote from: Bridges on September 06, 2011, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: Lucasjj on September 06, 2011, 11:12:52 AM
"Blackouts are proven ticket sales generators."
Is there any proof to that? I have always wondered how many people actually buy tickets because they know they won't be able to sit at home and watch it. I am sure there is a certain percent, but which is worth more, the extra tickets sold or continuing to show your product? I don't believe other sports have a blackout rule, and if you are putting 50-60 thousand people in the seats, is attendance really that big of a problem?
Yes they are. 2 years ago when we had blackouts, there would be a ticket purchase spike. All be it, not a 9,000 spike.
What is the value of continuing to show your product (Giving it away)? Ticket sales are the life blood revenue generator for each independent franchise. Now with a total revenue model for the CBA, teams unable to continually sell out there stadiums, will go deeper into debt as they have to still spend at the percentage of total revenue. As a business, what benefit is there to giving your product away?
You're looking at attendance solely from the wrong perspective. Attendance isn't an issue because, well, there just aren't that many people there. No, attendance is an issue because ticket sales are the lifeblood of the franchise.
I kind of agree accept that the blackout rules are set up on stadium size. We consistently average more than other teams who do not get blacked out because our stadium is set up for larger events.
I agree that ticket sales are hurting the organization, specifically with the new CBA payrolls floors, I just am not sure blackouts are the answer.
I believe the price for the Jags to buy out the tickets is $0.34 on the dollar, which is the visiting team's share. So lets say 6 games don't sellout with an average of 9,000 tickets at $100 average price. The Jags would have to stroke a check for $306,000. That would be $51,000 a game or $17,000 an hour of advertising for a 3 hour game. I would think that would be a good price for that much exposure. I know there is more to it than that, and it isn't sustainable in the long term, but until the product improves, I would think at that price it is better than a blackout.
In the end I really wish this stuff would disappear and football would be the focus of the Jags and not ticket sales.
Quote from: Tacachale on September 06, 2011, 11:28:47 AM
^Not to mention what tends to happen to franchises who consistently can't fill seats. They move.
Teams rarely, if ever, move because they can't fill seats. Most are stadium issues, or personal reasons of the owners.
What will happen, though, is that franchise will struggle to meet the minimum salary cap. They'll find themselves in an ever increasing red gap, unable to pay for players, or retain good players. Essentially they will be forced to pay a penalty for not meeting league requirements, and also field a perpetually crappy team. Not a good scenario.
I am sorry, Bridges, I respectfully disagree on this. The NBA and MLB blackout policy is in no way this strict and relates mostly to nationaly broadcast rights rather than attendance. Also, this is a policy from the 70s that was forced on the NFL by Congress. Why has every other area of the game changed except this one in almost 40 years?
Quote from: Lucasjj on September 06, 2011, 11:33:30 AM
I agree that ticket sales are hurting the organization, specifically with the new CBA payrolls floors, I just am not sure blackouts are the answer.
I believe the price for the Jags to buy out the tickets is $0.34 on the dollar, which is the visiting team's share. So lets say 6 games don't sellout with an average of 9,000 tickets at $100 average price. The Jags would have to stroke a check for $306,000. That would be $51,000 a game or $17,000 an hour of advertising for a 3 hour game. I would think that would be a good price for that much exposure. I know there is more to it than that, and it isn't sustainable in the long term, but until the product improves, I would think at that price it is better than a blackout.
In the end I really wish this stuff would disappear and football would be the focus of the Jags and not ticket sales.
Again, what is the value of this "exposure"? The advertising revenue doesn't go to the Jags.
Were down to 7,260 remaining. As of Friday there was 9,304. If we keep at this rate, and an ext granted, we may avoid one without having to buying them out. And if we do buy them out, it will only be about 3000-4000 tickets. IMO its a good move for the first game. But definately not for the long term.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:38:28 AM
I am sorry, Bridges, I respectfully disagree on this. The NBA and MLB blackout policy is in no way this strict and relates mostly to nationaly broadcast rights rather than attendance. Also, this is a policy from the 70s that was forced on the NFL by Congress. Why has every other area of the game changed except this one in almost 40 years?
The answer is that both the MLB and NBA are entirely different sport models, with different collective bargaining agreements. Basically the MLB is designed in a way to make sure that the big dogs (NY, Bos, Phi) keep all revenue generated by them, then they subsidize these smaller teams with royalty penalties that allow them to basically create a league that insures their success. I should hope the NFL never goes in that direction.
I guess Tampa and Miami will have to move too. Oh yeah, and Buffalo. Where will all these teams move to that is better? Maybe LA should have 4 teams. I think that is the answer here.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 06, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
Were down to 7,260 remaining. As of Friday there was 9,304. If we keep at this rate, and an ext granted, we may avoid one without having to buying them out. And if we do buy them out, it will only be about 3000-4000 tickets. IMO its a good move for the first game. But definately not for the long term.
Agreed. I doubt it will be done for the other games. I think this is a goodwill gesture and acknowledgment of the effects of the lockout. I also think, unless the Jaguars really tank this year, that we will sell out the bowl for the two Monday nighters and the Colts, Bucs, and Saints games. Texans (perpetually a slow seller for some reason) and Bengals (slow seller so far, and only a week after the Saints game) are our most likely blackout candidates.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
I guess Tampa and Miami will have to move too. Oh yeah, and Buffalo. Where will all these teams move to that is better? Maybe LA should have 4 teams. I think that is the answer here.
Also the Bengals and Cardinals should have moved to LA almost every year from about 1990 to 2005.
I also want to mention that the Jags for years did this sort of blackout lifting thing, then Weaver showed some tough love in 2009, and all the sudden, we don't have a blackout all 2010. The league rewards us with 2 home Monday night games in 2011.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 06, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
Were down to 7,260 remaining. As of Friday there was 9,304. If we keep at this rate, and an ext granted, we may avoid one without having to buying them out. And if we do buy them out, it will only be about 3000-4000 tickets. IMO its a good move for the first game. But definately not for the long term.
I do wonder if this is a one time thing, being the 9/11 anniversary. I guess we'll see. This year is a year you can get away with blackouts not being such a stigma.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
I guess Tampa and Miami will have to move too. Oh yeah, and Buffalo. Where will all these teams move to that is better? Maybe LA should have 4 teams. I think that is the answer here.
Just so we're clear, I'm not saying this leads to moving. I already stated that in this thread. In fact, I said teams don't move from attendance.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
I guess Tampa and Miami will have to move too. Oh yeah, and Buffalo. Where will all these teams move to that is better? Maybe LA should have 4 teams. I think that is the answer here.
Oh yeah and lets not forget the Raiders. They have the longest stringof blackouts than any other team the past few years. Now LA will have 5 teams!! LOL
Quote from: Bridges on September 06, 2011, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
I guess Tampa and Miami will have to move too. Oh yeah, and Buffalo. Where will all these teams move to that is better? Maybe LA should have 4 teams. I think that is the answer here.
Just so we're clear, I'm not saying this leads to moving. I already stated that in this thread. In fact, I said teams don't move from attendance.
I understand. My response, and I'm guessing Dapperdan's too, was directed at the media only.
Winning cures all ills.
In my rosy-eyed view, we will have issues selling out the stadium this year and the lockout played a large part in that. The other part is the team dynamics - a lot of people want big-names from big schools and don't agree with the philosophy that is represented on Gator Blvd.
This team is being built to maintain a championship caliber level year after year after year, and the jury is still out, but make no bones about it - year three of rebuilding tells a lot. We know what we have at QB & RB moving forward. The line on both sides is set. The biggest question we have is our secondary and our WRs.
Let's see how the year plays out. If we make a wild-card slot this year? We won't have any issues going into next, because we know we have a young QB in the wings, young talent everywhere and Gene will draft more young talent to fill holes. It's a double edge sword, though, if we tank this year - expect the ticket sales to drop even further and everyone will start to question Gene Smith - rightfully so.
Winning will cure everything.
Not practical on a weekly basis, of course, but I agree that is a nice goodwill gesture considering the lockout. It's going to be a fun season.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 06, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Winning cures all ills.
In my rosy-eyed view, we will have issues selling out the stadium this year and the lockout played a large part in that. The other part is the team dynamics - a lot of people want big-names from big schools and don't agree with the philosophy that is represented on Gator Blvd.
This team is being built to maintain a championship caliber level year after year after year, and the jury is still out, but make no bones about it - year three of rebuilding tells a lot. We know what we have at QB & RB moving forward. The line on both sides is set. The biggest question we have is our secondary and our WRs.
Let's see how the year plays out. If we make a wild-card slot this year? We won't have any issues going into next, because we know we have a young QB in the wings, young talent everywhere and Gene will draft more young talent to fill holes. It's a double edge sword, though, if we tank this year - expect the ticket sales to drop even further and everyone will start to question Gene Smith - rightfully so.
Winning will cure everything.
Does winning really cure all evils? Tampa had a great season last year and they are still 15k away from selling out their home opener. Many expect Tampa to be a playoff contender team this year. The Jags meanwhile have been picked by most to be 5-11 or 7-9 at best, yet we are closer to our sellout number. It is the Great Recession/ Depression that we are in. The dollar does not go as far as it used to, and there are plenty of other wothwhile palces to put your dollar rather than football. I am a Jags fan, but everyone just needs to face the facts that things will not be as they once were for a very long time, if ever.
and Tampa fans have been coddled by the ownership for several years. It wasn't until last year that anyone realized that Tampa had a ticket sales issue.
The Jags are painfully transparent.
We're in the same boat, but at different ends. Our ownership acknowledges that we have a problem, and we're not winning games - yet. They just started winning last year and that's when the problem was brought to the forefront. We're a solid 3-4 years up on Tampa with regards to ticket sales, we just need to start putting a winning team on the field to get us over the hump.
It's not just a winning season that helps, it's winning consistently. (By this I mean a consistent stint as playoff contenders, not a few stray playoff runs amidst season after season of middle-of-the-league mediocrity). And it will only help; it won't cure everything.
There's the lockout, obviously, and the recession is huge - we were hit particularly bad by the real estate collapse. Tampa and Miami are in the same boat we are as far as that goes. But the Jag's marketing team has shown that when they actually get out there and fight for their fans' ever diminishing entertainment dollar, they can accomplish amazing feats.
Quote from: Bridges on September 06, 2011, 11:25:50 AM
Again, you all are looking at this in all the wrong way. The "value" you all think they are creating doesn't pay players, doesn't pay overhead.
This isn't about what makes financial sense this week. This is about how will you make money in order to spend to the required amounts.
It's a simple debate. Either you believe that the value of having the team on TV will help sales in the future by creating fans and keeping interest, or you think it will deter people from ever buying tickets. Hard to prove it one way or the other, but I dont think, Bridges, you can say definitively that it doesn't pay the players or pay the overhead. The opposing argument to your stance is that it will create more fans and ticket buyers in the long run.
Also, I think ticket sales are a smaller fraction of the revenue than the television deals, internet, memorabilia, etc. I did not look these numbers up, but just guessing $60 million in ticket sales for a full season sellout (including preseason)...that's just .66% of the NFL's estimated $9 billion in revenue per the CBA negotiations. Or, 21% for the 32 teams collectively. Unscientific, but I think we can safely assume the lion's share of revenue comes outside of ticket sales. Still important though, we all agree there!!
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 06, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Winning cures all ills.
In my rosy-eyed view, we will have issues selling out the stadium this year and the lockout played a large part in that. The other part is the team dynamics - a lot of people want big-names from big schools and don't agree with the philosophy that is represented on Gator Blvd.
This team is being built to maintain a championship caliber level year after year after year, and the jury is still out, but make no bones about it - year three of rebuilding tells a lot. We know what we have at QB & RB moving forward. The line on both sides is set. The biggest question we have is our secondary and our WRs.
Let's see how the year plays out. If we make a wild-card slot this year? We won't have any issues going into next, because we know we have a young QB in the wings, young talent everywhere and Gene will draft more young talent to fill holes. It's a double edge sword, though, if we tank this year - expect the ticket sales to drop even further and everyone will start to question Gene Smith - rightfully so.
Winning will cure everything.
Does winning really cure all evils? Tampa had a great season last year and they are still 15k away from selling out their home opener. Many expect Tampa to be a playoff contender team this year. The Jags meanwhile have been picked by most to be 5-11 or 7-9 at best, yet we are closer to our sellout number. It is the Great Recession/ Depression that we are in. The dollar does not go as far as it used to, and there are plenty of other wothwhile palces to put your dollar rather than football. I am a Jags fan, but everyone just needs to face the facts that things will not be as they once were for a very long time, if ever.
Vic Ketchman used to point out that the Jags' first ever dip in attendance and ticket sales came during and immediately after the greatest season in franchise history (1999). So, I'm not so sure winning is the ultimate solution. It sure does help, there's no denying that, but there are clearly other factors.
Quote from: Tacachale on September 06, 2011, 01:27:23 PM
It's not just a winning season that helps, it's winning consistently. (By this I mean a consistent stint as playoff contenders, not a few stray playoff runs amidst season after season of middle-of-the-league mediocrity). And it will only help; it won't cure everything.
There's the lockout, obviously, and the recession is huge - we were hit particularly bad by the real estate collapse. Tampa and Miami are in the same boat we are as far as that goes. But the Jag's marketing team has shown that when they actually get out there and fight for their fans' ever diminishing entertainment dollar, they can accomplish amazing feats.
I agree 100%. Winning doesnt cure all. Its help, but is not the answer. As soon as we started losing in the 200'0's tickets sales dropped. And we were play off contender's four years straight. And as quiet as it is kept, no one ever wanted to have a team. And they were waiting on us to slip. And 2009 was the perfect time to start bashing. Every team in the league has been through what we are experiecing. Difference is most cities have had their team 3 times longer than we have. EVERY team has had losing streaks and EVERY time has had attendance issues at one point or another.
Not that this statement applies to you all....but.....imagine if folks in Jax. put as much energy into buying tickets as they do to talking about buying tickets!
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 06, 2011, 01:41:03 PM
Not that this statement applies to you all....but.....imagine if folks in Jax. put as much energy into buying tickets as they do to talking about buying tickets!
Amen!! This one guy on the news commented last night saying " It sucks when you can see the game on TV on sunday.' WTF!! Thats the problem. Then he went on to say " If we had drafted Tebow, people would be coming out to support him and we would not have problems selling tickets." Someone needs to inform him that using gimmicks is not a way to sell tickets in the long term.
I got my tickets. I will be there.
Same Here!
All I can is that I feel truly sorry for those who weren't at Everbank last season.
Clips like these are what the Jags should be using to push tickets.
These two moments were worth the price of season tickets alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpFyjJZ5Db0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY3rHXj_pKA
Love this fancam footage of the 59 yard field goal, especially the guy in the Colts jersey at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euj7637R8XU
If anyone wants seats to the Jags game this weekend for as low as $35 upper deck or lower bowl seats at $45... please PM me.
This game needs to be a sellout.
well rumor has it the Jags just released Garrard....so for all you Tebow lovers, now they have room!
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 06, 2011, 03:16:39 PM
well rumor has it the Jags just released Garrard....so for all you Tebow lovers, now they have room!
Where did you hear this from?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/06/report-jaguars-release-david-garrard/
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 06, 2011, 03:16:39 PM
well rumor has it the Jags just released Garrard....so for all you Tebow lovers, now they have room!
It's being reported all over the place now.
Holy crap.
I don't know about this move.
At the very least, he was worth keeping around as a backup.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/david-garrard-cut-jacksonville-jaguars-quarterback-090611
Holy crap! Did anyone see this coming?
I knew they were gonna do it. Its the same thing we did the Leftwich. His time was up. It kinda hurts though. Not gone lie.... :-\
Quote from: KenFSU on September 06, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
At the very least, he was worth keeping around as a backup.
Not for $9 million.
Especially when you need that money to buy back your own tickets... ;)
Anyone want to trade their tickets back in now? lol My question is why start Luke at all? Put the rookie in.
Wow, what a bombshell.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
My question is why start Luke at all? Put the rookie in.
Wait for the line to gel. They'll get Luke killed by the 3rd game, then Gabbert can come in.
Quote from: Dapperdan on September 06, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
Anyone want to trade their tickets back in now? lol My question is why start Luke at all? Put the rookie in.
He's not ready. The lockout screwed that up for the Jaguars. Gabbert has only been with the team a month.
No lockout and Garrard probably would have been cut in April.
So much for this is a playoff team talk. I didn't believe it anyway, but dropping Garrard this late kind of negates all of that.
Quote from: Lucasjj on September 06, 2011, 03:34:16 PM
So much for this is a playoff team talk. I didn't believe it anyway, but dropping Garrard this late kind of negates all of that.
Did you watch Garrard this preseason? He was terrible. They weren't making the playoffs with him anyway.
Who wants to bet that the crowd that incessantly claimed "Cut Garrard and I'll buy tickets!" will now say "I can't buy tickets because they aren't even trying to compete"?
This move really perplexes me. I realize Garrard was rough during the preseason, but I don't understand why we wouldn't at least stick with him long enough to stay competitive while getting Blaine some experience coming off the bench. And I hate to say it, but if this signals the start of a true rebuilding, Del Rio probably should have gone with him.
Garrard was not elite NFL QB. This team will be middle of the road, if we get several lucky breaks. If not, 4-12 is my guess. And I just bought the 5 pack, too.
The T-U is reporting that "A news conference will be held in an hour with coach Jack Del Rio, rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert and general manager Gene Smith."
Where's Luke?
An interesting twist.
I didn't think they were a playoff team, but the talk coming out of Everbank Field have been that this was a good team that could push for a playoff spot. I don't think you can continue to say that when you bail on your QB 5 days before opening day when you have the back ups the Jags have now.
Gabbert just isn't ready and I don't see Luke as better or much better than David. I think they should have acknowledge that this is a rebuilding team and went with Gabbert from the beginning, or started Luke with it out there that it was temporary until Gabbert was ready.
In the end, David wasn't worth $8M and it makes sense to cut him.
Here it comes. " Get rid of garrad!!!" Now its going to be "Why did we get rid of Garrad!!!". Bipolar Jacksonville is going to come out. I have mixed feelings. I wanted to see what he could do, but his time is up. Garrad is was at the end of his road. It is time out for excuses. Hopefully we get lucky like we did in 2007 when we cut Leftwich. But I dunno. I think we should play Mckown and Gabbert both and just hope for the best. Or just do what we do best. Run the ball!! LMAO
Quote from: KenFSU on September 06, 2011, 03:45:07 PM
This move really perplexes me. I realize Garrard was rough during the preseason, but I don't understand why we wouldn't at least stick with him long enough to stay competitive while getting Blaine some experience coming off the bench. And I hate to say it, but if this signals the start of a true rebuilding, Del Rio probably should have gone with him.
one problem...money
cutting Garrard saves them millions....firing Del Rio costs them millions
Quote from: KenFSU on September 06, 2011, 03:47:14 PM
The T-U is reporting that "A news conference will be held in an hour with coach Jack Del Rio, rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert and general manager Gene Smith."
Where's Luke?
An interesting twist.
Or JDR, GS & WW per the tweet from JaguarsInsider. 4:15 live at Jaguars.com
Garrard lost the team by constantly throwing them under the bus.
Notice the last preseason game, he was hit every down by St Louis. McCown comes in, same line, same starting defenders for St Louis and doesn't get touched.
They were sending a message to Garrard.
Rumor is that the Garrard release led to a ticket sales spike today. Of course we'll know the reality on that when we see the ticket numbers tomorrow, and even if there is a jump, there's still no way of knowing whether the spike was really Garrard-driven.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 06, 2011, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on September 06, 2011, 03:47:14 PM
The T-U is reporting that "A news conference will be held in an hour with coach Jack Del Rio, rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert and general manager Gene Smith."
Where's Luke?
An interesting twist.
Or JDR, GS & WW per the tweet from JaguarsInsider. 4:15 live at Jaguars.com
I kid you not, I posted my question in the T-U live blog, and the reporter answered something to the effect of:
"Sorry, might have heard wrong. I could have heard 'Blaine' instead of 'Wayne.'"
Talk about checking your facts or seeking a second source before posting a FRONT PAGE story on the website.
The most depressing subplot of this whole Garrard thing might just be not only how badly our local sports media got scooped by the national media on this story, but how badly they got killed on the follow up as well.
As of this morning, 6513 tickets remaining to be sold to avoid blackout of Titans game Sun.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 07, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
As of this morning, 6513 tickets remaining to be sold to avoid blackout of Titans game Sun.
They'll sell a few thousand more and eat the rest I bet.
Quote from: copperfiend on September 07, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 07, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
As of this morning, 6513 tickets remaining to be sold to avoid blackout of Titans game Sun.
They'll sell a few thousand more and eat the rest I bet.
I think we should get an extension until Friday. I want them to sell them all. If we have to eat them, so be it.
They'll apply for an extension for sure. WW will cover for whatever tickets are left on Friday.
They'll keep selling up until kickoff. I think they'll be 60k in that stadium on Sunday.
5,266 remaining. WW made it clear the team will NOT be buying tickets and its not an option. He is afraid of how it make look to the NFL, Roger Godell, etc etc. So looks like an extention will be in order. We sold like 1200 tickets yesterday. If we can do that today and tomorrow, and get the number down in the 2000's, they'll left the blackout. I commend WW for not coping out. Also, I havent had a chance to read it yet, but Gene smith takes full responibiity for releaseing Garrad. I respect him for that as well. Havent read the full story yet though.
They sold over 1k yesterday. Hopefully the same or more can be sold today and tomorrow.
Thought Id be the first one to say GOOD GAME! It was hot as hell, but it was worth. Defense was awesome. Given our situation, the Offensive was pulling through. Would have like more TD's, but given that we cut our starting QB a few days ago, there will be an adjustment period for the O-line. Good to see Mojo back in action. Him and Dejay Karim are a great duo. I feel better days are coming. I felt like we played as a Team. For years Mojo has carried this team, and that is unfair. Today I felt like it was a team effort and Im happy about that. Luke did great also. He had some awesome throws. We played a little Conservative on offense and ran the ball, but I think that was smart because of our QB issue. I think they didn't wanna get out there just chunking balls in the air and mess. FYI- Garrad was not missed in my book. I only missed him when we got third downs. That's it.
PS. Rasheen Mathis needs to lynched. He almost costed us the game. Two penalties?????????? He helped the titans score on that one. I was soooooooooooooo pissed.
We gave up the one freak touchdown, did not punch it in from the one and when cox got hurt our secondary went flat otherwise we were dominate.
Quote from: JeffreyS on September 11, 2011, 10:13:49 PM
We gave up the one freak touchdown, did not punch it in from the one and when cox got hurt our secondary went flat otherwise we were dominate.
agreed
What a fantastic day at Everbank.
I don't know what the numbers are, but it felt like a damn big crowd today.
The stadium was literally shaking during the Titans final drive.
Just a great time.
Quote from: KenFSU on September 11, 2011, 10:44:10 PM
What a fantastic day at Everbank.
I don't know what the numbers are, but it felt like a damn big crowd today.
The stadium was literally shaking during the Titans final drive.
Just a great time.
Yes I agree! I sit in 216 and it was quite pack when I took a look around the stadium! Im very proud of this city. Its going to be a shoot out this year between the Texans and the Jags for the division. Unless the tides turn, thats how its looking so far.
Were also getting very good reviews stated that we dominated in every phase of the game. Thats encouraging to hear. Of course us fans are going to more critical though. Just our nature. lol
Glad we won, but a very boring game to watch in the heat. Offense same as last yr and I know Luke was just put in the line up but that's exactly what we saw last yr and pretty much since Del Rio has been here. Maybe they'll open things as time goes on. Trying to nurse a 13 point is a recipe for failure. The offense inability to Punch it in while in the Red Zone will cost us many games. This game should have never come down to wire like that, Jags should put this team away in the 3rd qtr. On a good note Defense played great in the 1st half, Luke made some great throws, MJD/Karim both looked pretty good. Not sure if it was poor execution or bad play calling, but some of the offensive play calls were just baffling.
It was hot, that was for sure. Still had a great time and the stadium was rocking!
Yes good atmosphere despite the heat. Defense set the tone early. That sack on the first Titans possesions really got the crowd pumped. Go Jags!!
A little messy, but a great win for the Jags. Hopefully as the season progresses we'll come together more. Combined with Houston's slaughter of Indy, this should be a fun season.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 12, 2011, 07:48:15 AM
Glad we won, but a very boring game to watch in the heat. Offense same as last yr and I know Luke was just put in the line up but that's exactly what we saw last yr and pretty much since Del Rio has been here. Maybe they'll open things as time goes on. Trying to nurse a 13 point is a recipe for failure. The offense inability to Punch it in while in the Red Zone will cost us many games. This game should have never come down to wire like that, Jags should put this team away in the 3rd qtr. On a good note Defense played great in the 1st half, Luke made some great throws, MJD/Karim both looked pretty good. Not sure if it was poor execution or bad play calling, but some of the offensive play calls were just baffling.
I think for the most part the offense was playing it safe. After our O-line being disrupted four days before the game, running the ball on the first game was a good idea. I would have like to see luke pass more but I feel that they didnt want to get out there and start chunking balls every where and mess up. As Luke gets a better feel for the O-line I believe we will be passing alot more as the season progresses. I expected them to struggle in the red zone as well. Given the situation, I was very impressed actually. We will see what unfolds this week. We beat NY back in 09 when we were 7-9. I think we can get past them. They BARELY won against the cowboys last night.
And to be honest, Tennessee got lucky on both TD's. The first one was a botched play, and the second was thanks to Mathis and his penilities. Otherwise, it would have been a shut out.
P.S. Attendance as around 61,000
Attendance reported was 61,619, great showing!
Well Dirk and company aren't notorious for switching up the gameplan, and I'm sure he wanted to be safe with the QB situation. Which is two fold, run it safely, and keep Chris Johnson and Kenny Britt off the field. We'll worry about the flashy long plays later.
And Thank the Lord we don't have another home game for a few weeks, because it was hot!!
ESPN lists us as 11th out of 14 in attendance...(2 games tonight).
Since reading comments in an article (not a moronic public posting) in the main St. Louis paper describing Jacksonville as a "hellhole" not deserving of an NFL team, I'm glad to see the attendance was 56,722 in St. Louis.
Given the nice improvement in sales, hopefully, we can keep pushing Jax's number up.
That game and stadium show kicked ass over television. I'll remember that for a very long time.
Let's keep moving on this. Get some tickets.
I love it that Tampa's game was blacked out. We had 10,000 more people at the Jags game, and we have a considerably smaller population pool to draw from. Ha. Go Jags!!
PS: IF you don't know about it, check out the D-Line drum explosion after the game under the south end zone. It is awesome!
Quote from: Jdog on September 12, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
ESPN lists us as 11th out of 14 in attendance...(2 games tonight).
Since reading comments in an article (not a moronic public posting) in the main St. Louis paper describing Jacksonville as a "hellhole" not deserving of an NFL team, I'm glad to see the attendance was 56,722 in St. Louis.
Given the nice improvement in sales, hopefully, we can keep pushing Jax's number up.
That game and stadium show kicked ass over television. I'll remember that for a very long time.
Let's keep moving on this. Get some tickets.
The game looked AWESOME on Tv. I left after half time and finished watching it at my parents house and it looked great. Lets keep packing the house and keep the excitement going. I noticed when the crowd is pumped they seem to play better.
You left after half time. typical Jag fan,, lol, just kidding ok.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 12, 2011, 04:52:15 PM
You left after half time. typical Jag fan,, lol, just kidding ok.
LOL!!! nah man. I was drained. I had not drunk any water and I left all my money in the car. I was literally getting ready to fall out. Had to get out of the heat. This is my first season as a ticket holder. Not used to the heat. So I should be granted an adjustment period. LOL
Anyone notice how empty SunLife Stadium is for tonight's game? It was funny even before halftime!
Im on youtube watching highlights from 1999. And it just jumped out to me, our defense is the reason we made it so far that. Our defense was C R A Z Y. Offense was good as well, but even the video points out how our defense is the reason we were winning like that. I will FOREVER hate the Titans. Thats why any win against them is good in my books!!
^^^Hey, Duvaldude, I'm a second year season ticket holder, and I sit in the same section as you (216). I had to leave at halftime because my Mom had gotten heat exhaustion. I led her to the first-aid station and the EMS took her to the hospital; She stayed overnight, and got discharged in the morning; She's currently doing just fine.
Quote from: I-10east on September 13, 2011, 12:50:04 AM
^^^Hey, Duvaldude, I'm a second year season ticket holder, and I sit in the same section as you (216). I had to leave at halftime because my Mom had gotten heat exhaustion. I led her to the first-aid station and the EMS took her to the hospital; She stayed overnight, and got discharged in the morning; She's currently doing just fine.
Im in 216 as well. row J
I really dont blame anyone for leaving in that kinda heat. I felt light headed walking back to my truck after the game.
Sun Life is that Miami's stadium? I thought it was called Dolphins stadium.
It has had many names the last few years. Per wikipedia:
Joe Robbie Stadium (1987â€"1996)
Pro Player Park (1996)
Pro Player Stadium (1996â€"2005)
Dolphins Stadium (2005â€"2006)
Dolphin Stadium (2006â€"2009)
Land Shark Stadium (2009â€"2010).
just call it Joe Robbie!
Everyone Is picking at "Everbank Field". But "SunLife Stadium". I never heard of sunlife insurance until now. And If Im not mistaken, its only like a one or two year deal. It wasnt much. As quiet as it kept, they must be desperate for revenue.
I dont' think anything is as lame as the 1-800-Ask-Gary Ampitheater in Tampa.
^^Or the Taxslayer.com Gator Bowl ::)
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 13, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
Everyone Is picking at "Everbank Field". But "SunLife Stadium". I never heard of sunlife insurance until now. And If Im not mistaken, its only like a one or two year deal. It wasnt much. As quiet as it kept, they must be desperate for revenue.
It's not that bad. It's a five-year deal, and it is for more $ per year than EverBank (though not by that much as I recall) due to the fact that it's also the Marlins' park and it hosted a Super Bowl. The sillier, more desperate deal was the one-year deal with Landshark for the stadium, which did not include the Super Bowl held that year. It switched from Landshark to Sun Life effective Super Bowl Sunday.
Sun Life is actually a pretty big company, but it has a more authoritative presence in Canada than in the U.S.
I didn't realize people were picking at EverBank as a stadium name. I hadn't heard any of that. I do seem to recall that Arm & Hammer made a bigger bid than Alltel on the past naming rights in the 90s, but was rejected because we refused to call the stadium Clean Shower Stadium.
I also didn't realize that it switched back and forth from Dolphins Stadium to Dolphin Stadium. Maybe after the Sun Life deal ends it can be Dolphined Stadium.
Please tell me you're kidding about Taxslayer.
Sadly, I see that you are not kidding about Taxslayer.
Everbank Field has a nice ring to it actually.
I really like the signage too relative when it was still Alltel.
On the weather Sunday, it was definitely scorching, but nothing compared to opening day last year.
I'll give the college football bowls a pass because they aren't the actual stadium name and are collectively pretty lame (plus no one really cares about the majority of them). Such as: Famous Idaho Potatos Bowl, R+L Carriers Bowl, Macco Bowl, Belk Bow etc. etc.
I have no problems with Everbank Field by the way.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 13, 2011, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 13, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
Everyone Is picking at "Everbank Field". But "SunLife Stadium". I never heard of sunlife insurance until now. And If Im not mistaken, its only like a one or two year deal. It wasnt much. As quiet as it kept, they must be desperate for revenue.
It's not that bad. It's a five-year deal, and it is for more $ per year than EverBank (though not by that much as I recall) due to the fact that it's also the Marlins' park and it hosted a Super Bowl. The sillier, more desperate deal was the one-year deal with Landshark for the stadium, which did not include the Super Bowl held that year. It switched from Landshark to Sun Life effective Super Bowl Sunday.
Sun Life is actually a pretty big company, but it has a more authoritative presence in Canada than in the U.S.
I didn't realize people were picking at EverBank as a stadium name. I hadn't heard any of that. I do seem to recall that Arm & Hammer made a bigger bid than Alltel on the past naming rights in the 90s, but was rejected because we refused to call the stadium Clean Shower Stadium.
I also didn't realize that it switched back and forth from Dolphins Stadium to Dolphin Stadium. Maybe after the Sun Life deal ends it can be Dolphined Stadium.
Please tell me you're kidding about Taxslayer.
OOOO ok. The Landshark deal was the one I was thinking of!! I knew that had a one year deal with someone at one point.
Quote from: cline on September 13, 2011, 03:38:37 PM
I'll give the college football bowls a pass because they aren't the actual stadium name and are collectively pretty lame (plus no one really cares about the majority of them). Such as: Famous Idaho Potatos Bowl, R+L Carriers Bowl, Macco Bowl, Belk Bow etc. etc.
I have no problems with Everbank Field by the way.
Don't forget the old Weed Eater Independence Bowl. My objection is more to Taxslayer as a product, I guess, but I'm a heavily biased CPA.
I love the sound of EverBank Field, and not just because I love no longer having to call it JMS or If You Were A Corporation, Your Name Could Be Here Now! Stadium. It also lends itself so nicely to calling it The Vault or DuVault.