"Inherit, Bush, Millionaires, Billionaires, Hedge Funds, Greedy, Shared Sacrifice, Fare Share, I Share, We Share." Feel free to add your own. Obama needs to talk about what he is going to do to save this great nation. This will be his second attempt at outlining a jobs plan.
Actually, I'd rather see that list and some additions used as part of a speech-watching drinking game. That's fun no matter who is President.
Quote from: Pottsburg on September 02, 2011, 07:23:16 PM
"Inherit, Bush, Millionaires, Billionaires, Hedge Funds, Greedy, Shared Sacrifice, Fare Share, I Share, We Share." Feel free to add your own. Obama needs to talk about what he is going to do to save this great nation. This will be his second attempt at outlining a jobs plan.
No there has been enough avoiding the truth all of those words apply. Obama does need to own that he has not changed much of the old approach so he has not gotten different results. He needs to regulate healthcare costs as other countries do to control costs that would amount to true expansion of buying power for the middle class. Use an executive order to make the government the country's biggest customer (not new spending just buy American). Propose the death of free trade deals. Present his case for the reduced payroll taxes.
New Deal and Marshall Plan type spending is what is best for struggling economies but that ship has sailed.
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2011, 08:29:01 PM
Quote from: Pottsburg on September 02, 2011, 07:23:16 PM
"Inherit, Bush, Millionaires, Billionaires, Hedge Funds, Greedy, Shared Sacrifice, Fare Share, I Share, We Share." Feel free to add your own. Obama needs to talk about what he is going to do to save this great nation. This will be his second attempt at outlining a jobs plan.
such a load of malarky. I guess those things dont exist for the sole reason that saying them makes republicans sound like assholes? Nice try Pottsburg, Ill send this list off to the White House, and get back to you on what they say.
Lol Dare! Let me know what the administration says. He needs to avoid these words to not piss off the American people. We all know he still blames the previous administration.
Perhaps it is time for all of us to talk less and do more.
And, yes, that includes me.
Quote from: dougskiles on September 03, 2011, 11:22:01 AM
Perhaps it is time for all of us to talk less and do more.
And, yes, that includes me.
Nah. We'll all continue to listen to MSM for our talking points & root root root for our home team like it's our jobs, no matter how much they screw up.
I like that one better because it requires me to think less. Durp.
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
"blames'?
That almost sounds like its opinion based.
The fact is that the previous administration was so bad that they tanked a global economy (while bilking trillions of dollars) and left behind pretty much scorched earth economically.
When are people going to stop making excuses for this president. He has had plenty of time to dictate his ideas upon us. Nothing good has happened with this economy. Excuses Excuses thats all I hear from this president and on MJ
You are not listening we criticize Obama openly. Why he hasn't broken with the policies of the last 20 years is beyond me. Doing the same things and expecting different results.
That said you can't have an honest discussion of our current recession without discussing Obama, Bush and an Obstructionist Republican party.
There is some validity to your list of words. The fact is Americans do understand how we got into this mess, that is one reason Obama won in a landslide. What he needs to say are these words/phrases:
Buy American.
Rebuild our middle class.
Listen to Warren Buffet.
American automoblie industry.
A jobs plan is more than just tax cuts for the wealthy.
Together we can do anything we set our minds on.
Without a strong middle class we will never recover.
Build American, Buy American.
If it isn't "Made in America" then demand a product that is.
American consumers have been sold a pile of crap by those who support the WalMart economy model, that "Cheaper is better." That is why everything sold here is made overseas. Not because it's better, but because it's cheaper. We need to focus on American made products built to last, so that we can claim to build the best "widget" or ________ in the world. When Americans start agreeing to buy Americn made products (even if they cost 25 cents more) then we can keep our money in our country and stop sending it overseas.
The large multinational corporations that control our politicians are making record profits these days. They absolutely love 9 % unemployment rates. They will not do anything to change that unless forced to do so. And when I say forced, I mean by the 250 million American consumers who drive our economy. NOT the top 2% "job creators."
+1 One of the best posts I seen recently on a site full of great posts.
MusicMan, I agree with you, but thats going to be a problem now with most families as we've all sorta painted ourselves into a corner with the "cheaper is better" routine. Meaning, that way of thinking is really all a lot of families can afford now & the system has sorta been wrapped around that. No wage increases, skyrocketing healthcare, education costs a bloody fortune, etc. How do they buy American if they no longer can afford it??
We may be past the point of no return with a lot of this unless some major changes start to happen (which I don't see happening). And I know that many of us here understand that & even though there is a movement to get back to some of that "local is better" way of life, it really doesn't seem like the average consumer connects the dots & understands. Especially the ones who have been born & bred into the Wal-Mart/corporate lifestyle out in typical American suburbia.
Quote from: MusicMan on September 04, 2011, 01:33:28 PM
If it isn't "Made in America" then demand a product that is.
Which is the more American product, a Honda Accord built by Ohioans for a company with its headquarters in Japan, or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico for a corporation that is based in Michigan?
Toyota isn't just a Japanese company. It maintains a huge operation in the United States, with plants in seven states and 1,400 dealerships all across the country employing hundreds of thousands of U.S. workers.
Honda was the first Japanese automaker to start building vehicles in the United States when its Accords began rolling off the assembly line in Marysville, Ohio, in 1982.
Chrysler has plants that are unionized, has its engines, transmissions, and vehicles assembled in the US, but is now owned by the Italian automaker Fiat.
If you want to buy a car built by an American company, that is unionized, has the engine and transmission built in the US, the car assembled in the US, your options are:
Cadillac DTS, Escalade, ESV
Chevrolet Corvette
Ford Expedition, F-150, F-250, Focus, Taurus
Lincoln MKS, Navigator
and that's it.
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/19/automobiles/20090619-auto-plants-4.html
American company does not matter American parts and labor does.
http://www.madeinusa.org/ (http://www.madeinusa.org/)
Quote from: JeffreyS on September 04, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
American company does not matter American parts and labor does.
Is it either or both?
I had convo with a cab driver awhile back and he made a good point. NO ONE was going to be able to get us out this mess. Obama, Hilary or Mccain. This country was and still is screwed beyond repair. NOBODY can fix this. NOBODY. We (as a country) did it to ourselfs and we are going to pay for it for a long time to come. The damage was already done.
And I have a feeling the next president is going to put the icing on the cake. Im just bracing my self
Quote from: Diderot on September 04, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on September 04, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
American company does not matter American parts and labor does.
Is it either or both?
Just as much of either as you can without wrapping up your life in it. We just need to favor what we want if buying American is what we want.
Ross Perot was right???
NAFTA bad???
Qbama blames Bush for being his long lost policy twin???
I think I got it now.
Cars are not the only product that applies here. I see DOT projects being done with Korean made equipment.
That has to stop. Pay more for American, keep the work here.
Pronounce a temporary stop to all foreign aid until we get our own house in order.
American military posted overseas spend their $$ in those countries, not ours. That has to stop.
As long as corporations put profit before people then we are screwed. And we are run by corporations, not people.
There are almost no public school techers in Congress. Our Congress does not reflect our population anymore.
The folks who have access through lobbiest are the ones who get what they want. There is broad consensus that
the super rich need to pay higher taxes, but Congress wont even consider it. Geuss why? Congress owes their allegiance to the super rich, not the folks who elected them. The "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision is the crown jewel of this political philosophy. It allows folks in any part of the world to have a say-so in American politics based upon the depth of their pockets, not the meaning of their ideas. And Citizens United is a result of appointing a lifelong corporate lawyer to Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court.
Has capitalism imploded on it's selfish self?
Quote from: Garden guy on September 05, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
Has capitalism imploded on it's selfish self?
Probably. It has been for some time, they just don't say it. A little shot of capitalism goes a long way. But too much & everyone but a select few bleed to death.
I mean, I understand the need for it & its a big reason why we as a country have a lot of "stuff", but then again. If you don't make enough of these pieces of paper we call money & say, can't afford healthcare for your family, or this corporate-controlled system is bearing down on you in a number of other ways, then I'm not sure its so great.
There's no real reason why anyone anywhere in the world should starve or die because of money, but it happens all day every day. It effects everything we do in our lives to a point, IMO, that it becomes sorta ridiculous if you sit back & think about it. I just think we as a species are capable of so much more than making our life goals to hoard a bunch of paper bills.
Although communism sucks too in a number of ways, so I dunno. Maybe a good mix of both is necessary??
As long as we have imperfect people running the government (which will be forever because we all have flaws), we will have imperfect government.
If you think about it, the only revered political leaders are the ones who have been gone long enough for people to have forgotten their mistakes.
And I know from my experiences leading organizations, that it makes me more aware than ever of my shortcomings.
Wow. Reviewing my post ( and the President's speech) I pretty much nailed it. Yay for me. And US(A).