Metro Jacksonville

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/14/2359614/numbers-confirm-texas-is-leading.html


"Numbers confirm: Texas is leading the way on hiring. Florida lands the No. 2 slot

Gov. Rick Perry hopes job creation in Texas will land him in the White House. The Lone Star state is well ahead of second-place finisher Florida on that front.

By DOUGLAS HANKS
dhanks@MiamiHerald.com


Texas Gov. Rick Perry brags of his state leading the nation in job creation, a boast he hopes will land him in the White House. But do the numbers back him up?

In a word: yes.

Perry’s campaign to position Texas as the solution to America’s employment woes takes on special meaning in Florida, since the Sunshine State holds a top spot in the job-creation derby, too. Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who ran on a promise of 700,000 new jobs, made the point repeatedly in a session with Herald writers that only Texas is doing better than Florida when it comes to jobs."

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/14/2359614/numbers-confirm-texas-is-leading.html#ixzz1V62SE0ZD

You will ruffle feathers around here talking like that.  Don't you know which forum this is man?  Around here, GOP=evil rich people and teaparty=homegrown terrorists.  Dont expect to make any headway with facts here.

If you read the numbers, overall, job LOSS is outstripping job GROWTH. And both Florida and Texas produced LESS jobs than they did in 2010.

So if you're trying to turn lemons into lemonade, go ahead. But it's still crappy news.

And don't get started on Texas. It's a known fact that Mr. Secession himself has "balanced" Texas' budget using Federal dollars.

Uh, ok, Stephen but what do you think about acme54321's original post?

Hey Steph,
Thanks for advice.  Im really surprised you didnt copy n paste all my previous posts.   You are famous for that.  If disagreeing with you on every topic makes me a "jerk", so be it.   Im happy to be labeled a jerk by you.  Until you get that "moderator" status next to your redheaded avator, i wont concern myself with your demands about going some place else.  You see, I have as much right to post here as you do.  Now bug off.

Well now i know why you are always here.  You are a big shot editor.  Impressive.  Thank you for making your position here clear.  Wondering WTH your definition of civility is.   You of all people spew venom and hate more than anyone else on this site. And you call me angry.  Funny.  Im sure you are a nice guy to all the minions here who agree with your politics.  If not, your are labeled a jerk, or a troll.   Thats fine.  I now know the fox guards the hen house here.

Quote from: stephendare on August 15, 2011, 10:01:22 AM

Quote from: urbanlibertarian on August 15, 2011, 09:54:23 AM
Uh, ok, Stephen but what do you think about acme54321's original post?

I don't have enough information to comment on it.  I usually research the claims first you know.

I thought I would look it up later on this afternoon, and then comment.

What do you think about it?

I think that job growth is more likely to occur where it is cheaper and easier to start, maintain and grow a small business.  A small business owner will do the math and balance the total cost of a new employee against the revenue that employee can generate for the business.  Taxes and regulation affect that calculation.

Paul Krugman's editorial today is enlightening and highlights the fallacy of the Texas Unmiracle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/the-texas-unmiracle.html?_r=1&hp

QuoteWhat Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs â€" which is, whatever Mr. Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice â€" involves a fallacy of composition: every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.

;)

QuoteActually Rick Perry, the Texas “jobs miracle” is really a Texas population growth miracle

The Rick Perry elevator pitch is that Texas has led the nation in aggregate job growth, which is true. But it’s unemployment performance has been just average. So as Matt Yglesias points out, this is to say that the Texas “jobs miracle” is really a Texas population growth miracle. This is a real enough phenomenon, lots of people have been moving to Texas from both Mexico and the non-Texas parts of the United States of America.

http://saintpetersblog.com/2011/08/acutally-rick-perry-the-texas-%E2%80%9Cjobs-miracle%E2%80%9D-is-really-a-texas-population-growth-miracle/ (http://saintpetersblog.com/2011/08/acutally-rick-perry-the-texas-%E2%80%9Cjobs-miracle%E2%80%9D-is-really-a-texas-population-growth-miracle/)

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/05/18/texas-continues-to-see-influx-of-businesses-relocate-from-california/


Texas Continues To See Influx Of Businesses Relocate From California
By Bud Gillett, CBS 11 News
May 18, 2011 9:23 PM

Reporting Bud Gillett

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) â€"  In 1849, finding gold at Sutter’s Mill set off a historic Gold Rush to California. Today, though, businesses are leaving that state to seek their fortunes elsewhere: Many of which are either or expanding or relocating in Texas.

The most recent â€" and high profile â€" example happened just this month, as California staple In-N-Out Burger opened its two southernmost locations in Frisco and Allen. As predicted, scores of former Golden State residents lined up, causing hours-long waits in its opening days.

Like many businesses, former California residents are happy to reside in the Lone Star State for similar reasons.

“I have no second thoughts, no qualms, no reluctance about what I’ve done and moved to Texas,” said Joe DeInnocentes, a California transplant. “I’m not sure I’d ever go back to California, quite frankly.”

For DeInnocentes, the state economy is stronger here. His whole family is employed, he said. The state’s unemployment rate sits at 8.1 percent compared to California’s 12.3 percent. The national average is 8.7 percent.

“Certainly, California is not a business-friendly state,” said Biff Comte, who is moving his entire corporate headquarters of his home health care business AccentCare to Texas.


The business is currently settling into its North Dallas property, and only brought about 15 workers with it. That means, Comte said, about 80 new jobs for Texans. But why move?

“Everything from the lawsuits, to the taxes too,” he said. “They’re just going to get worse until they fix their problems. So instead of fighting it, we decided, let’s go to a state and a city that really wants business.”

As his company expands coast- to-coast, having a major airport in the center of the country is vital. Executives can be anywhere in North American in just four hours, and being in the Central Time Zone means being able to communicate with both coasts during regular business hours.

But in the California capitol of Sacramento, Gerar Zawaydeh said he struggles to keep his restaurants open because of state bureaucracy.

“Every year, the legislature introduces a lot of regulations as far as small businesses are concerned that could prove to be costly,” he said. “I want to stay in California, but I also have to make a living as well.”

Another part of the allure is that Texas is a right-to-work state with no personal or corporate income tax. The labor force is considered well educated, but perhaps more importantly, it’s considered hungry for work.

“Here’s 25 to 30 companies that are currently looking at moving to North Texas,” John Crawford, president of Downtown Dallas Inc., said, flipping through a list.

Crawford works closely with city officials to lure businesses and residents to Dallas.

“Right now we’ve never had more interest from people all over the country â€" in fact, all over the world â€" in terms of looking at Texas and Dallas than we have today,” he said.

There’s a moderate climate in North Texas, as well as plentiful and well-built housing. Energetic downtown areas in Dallas and Fort Worth attract younger residents, and Crawford’s group spear-headed a plan the council approved last month to rejuvenate the downtown Dallas sector, filling it with more public transportation and affordable housing.

And the area already supports major international companies, like Kimberly-Clark.

“(Texans) do a great job of attracting companies,” Comte said.

Businesses must agree: A recent poll of CEOs ranked Texas as the No. 1 state for business, the seventh year in a row.

That same poll ranked California as the worst.

What middle class?

QuoteThrough two years of weak economic recovery, Texas has led the nation in job creation. Of all the jobs created in the United States since 2009, 38% have been created in Texas.

But if Texas has created many jobs, it has failed to create good jobs. Many of the jobs created since 2009 pay only minimum wage, and Texas, along with Mississippi, has the highest percentage of minimum wage workers in the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/15/frum.perry.economy/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Quote from: copperfiend on August 15, 2011, 01:40:45 PM
What middle class?

QuoteThrough two years of weak economic recovery, Texas has led the nation in job creation. Of all the jobs created in the United States since 2009, 38% have been created in Texas.

But if Texas has created many jobs, it has failed to create good jobs. Many of the jobs created since 2009 pay only minimum wage, and Texas, along with Mississippi, has the highest percentage of minimum wage workers in the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/15/frum.perry.economy/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

I don't know too much about Texas and how they create jobs except they have a lot of oil.  However, whenever someone talks about jobs, it reminds me of a Mike Hogan Ad one day on job creation.  Basically, it had Mike Hogan promising more jobs to Jacksonville while he was standing in front of some rather low prestigious job in a photo op's.   

The point I'm trying to make is, jobs are very easy to make for government.  If Florida, today, abolished the minimum wage, removed workers rights, abolished all corporate taxes, abolished all workers rights, abolished all consumer rights, abolished all environmental laws, and so forth - we would probably be the #1 job creating state in the nation.  The big question is this - do we really want the jobs that is produced by these policies?  Would we want to live next to these jobs? 

As for me, personally, I want cool, interesting, meaningful, and very high paying jobs instead of the worst jobs in the country that pay the least but that's just my personal opinion.  A job is a job to most people, right? 

Quote from: RMHoward on August 15, 2011, 08:33:53 AM
You will ruffle feathers around here talking like that.  Don't you know which forum this is man?  Around here, GOP=evil rich people and teaparty=homegrown terrorists.  Dont expect to make any headway with facts here.

dude, what the hell is your problem, seriously?

So the fact that most of those so called jobs are averaged at $7hr without health insurance...it looks like the teabagger group is just like republicans...keep the poor poor and unhealthy and the rich rich and living long...it's the rightwing freak motto. our teabagger gov

Quote from: RMHoward on August 15, 2011, 08:33:53 AM
You will ruffle feathers around here talking like that.  Don't you know which forum this is man?  Around here, GOP=evil rich people and teaparty=homegrown terrorists.  Dont expect to make any headway with facts here.

I think you meant to post on the TU forum and came here by accident. 

Quote from: Garden guy on August 15, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So the fact that most of those so called jobs are averaged at $7hr without health insurance...it looks like the teabagger group is just like republicans...keep the poor poor and unhealthy and the rich rich and living long...it's the rightwing freak motto. our teabagger gov

Typical liberal thinking. I would rather have low paying jobs than no jobs.

Quote from: bill on August 15, 2011, 02:59:39 PM

Quote from: Garden guy on August 15, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So the fact that most of those so called jobs are averaged at $7hr without health insurance...it looks like the teabagger group is just like republicans...keep the poor poor and unhealthy and the rich rich and living long...it's the rightwing freak motto. our teabagger gov

Typical liberal thinking. I would rather have low paying jobs than no jobs.

What's the difference? A person can't survive on minimum wage.

It's troubling that when our economy has stagnated; that when consumer spending has faultered because of high debt , job loss, and low consumer confidence; when businesses hold back on consumption because of pessimistic expectations, that our government is hindered in stepping in and taking up the slack by spending in ways that will bolster our economy. 

Now is a great time for our government to spend.  Interests rates are low , we should be investing in our people through education; our nation's infrastructure through improvement to highways, high-speed rail, and broad-band internet; we should be investing in energy independence.  Job growth through government spending eventually causes private spending and production to grow, and as the economy heats up, tax revenue exceeds government spending  and the US will be able to repair its balance sheet just like it did during the Clinton administration.

We do not have a budget problem but a jobs and growth problem, and the only way out of the mess is for our country to invest in itself in ways for our people to be productive and moving again.

Quote from: bill on August 15, 2011, 02:59:39 PM

Quote from: Garden guy on August 15, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So the fact that most of those so called jobs are averaged at $7hr without health insurance...it looks like the teabagger group is just like republicans...keep the poor poor and unhealthy and the rich rich and living long...it's the rightwing freak motto. our teabagger gov

Typical liberal thinking. I would rather have low paying jobs than no jobs.

Actually, this type of thinking was credited to the extremely conservative economist Milton Friedman. 

"While traveling by car during one of his many overseas travels, Professor Milton Friedman spotted scores of road builders moving earth with shovels instead of modern machinery. When he asked why powerful equipment wasn’t used instead of so many laborers, his host told him it was to keep employment high in the construction industry. If they used tractors or modern road building equipment, fewer people would have jobs was his host’s logic

'Then instead of shovels, why don’t you give them spoons and create even more jobs?' Friedman inquired."

In short, if jobs is the goal, government can create plenty of those.  Jobs is the basic tenant of communism as well - take Cuba and it's very low unemployment number as an example.  Plenty of jobs for the people there. 

Fact checking Rick Perry’s announcement speech:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-rick-perrys-announcement-speech/2011/08/14/gIQAVHbaFJ_blog.html

GWB 2.0

More like 3.0

Many consider BHO to be 2.0... :)

I am moving this post here because it is more relevant in this thread:

Apparently the connection to the "job creator" thought process was too ephemeral in its previous location.

Here is a link to a Texas public school unit on the powers and responsibilities of the Texas governor. It should be noted that Texas has what is called a "weak Governor" who is more or less a figurehead and does not run or have very much influence on the state government. This system has turned out to be fortunate for the state, given the potential for mismanagement by former holders of that office.

Here is the link:

www.odessa.edu/dept/govt/dille/brian/courses/2306c/unit6a.doc

Here is what is probably the most relevant passage in that unit:

QuoteDue to perceived abuses during Reconstruction by Governor E.J. Davis, the Texas Constitution provides for a weak governor with little formal power.  The governor had a two-year term until the constitution was amended in the 1970s, changing the term to four years.  There is no limit on the number of terms a governor can serve.  The governor's appointive and executive powers are limited by the plural executive, which forces the governor to share the running of the executive branch with independently elected department and agency heads.  Unlike the president and governors in some states, the Texas governor has very limited removal powers.  The governor has very little budgetary power in the formation, development, and execution stages.  However, the governor's item veto powers over the state budget can have an impact on the final budget signed into law.  It is in the legislative area that the Texas governor possesses the most significant powers.  The governor's veto is rarely overridden due to the short biennial legislative session, and the governor does have the power to set the agenda for any special sessions.  Both of these powers can be used as bargaining tools.  Because of a misuse of the pardon power by Governor Miriam Ferguson, the governor's judicial powers are limited today.  Comparing the Texas governor to the other 49 on four indexes of power--tenure of office, appointive powers, budgetary powers, and veto powers, finds that Texas governor is comparatively weak in formal powers.  Only in the areas of tenure and veto authority does the Texas governor rank strong.  As a result of the few formal powers, the informal powers determine how successful the Texas governor is.  The governor's lack of formal power makes the job of governing Texas--a large, diverse, economically important state--extremely challenging.  Although current and future problems seem to cry out for stronger and more effective leadership from the governor's mansion, the traditionalistic/individualistic political culture of the state makes it unlikely that the necessary changes will be made to significantly increase the powers of the Texas governor.

The obvious conclusion to be drawn from the above is that Rick Perry is really not responsible for the bulk of what happens in Texas, and to claim that his stewardship has guided the great state of Texas into whatever circumstances that they may or may not be in at the present moment is simply false.

In plain English, it is very likely that Rick Perry had almost nothing to do with job creation in Texas.

Texas Used Stimulus to Cover 97% of Its Deficit
By Derek Thompson

Jan 24 2011, 12:12 PM ET 15

Even as he railed against the Recovery Act, Texas Gov. Rick Perry used the government's stimulus plan to cover 97 percent of the state's budget deficit in 2009:

    Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years. It plugged nearly all of that deficit with $6.4 billion in Recovery Act money, allowing it to leave its $9.1 billion rainy day fund untouched.
    "Stimulus was very helpful in getting them through the last few years," said Brian Sigritz, director of state fiscal studies for the National Association of State Budget Officers, said of Texas.

In FY 2012, Texas' deficit is projected to come in at $12 billion, more than 30 percent of its budget -- the third highest rate in the country. But the states, which are collectively facing a $120 billion shortfall next year, are unlikely to see any more stimulus, in large part due to the efforts of conservatives like Gov. Perry, who have slammed the Recovery Act as a wasteful and ineffective government bailout. You make your own bed, etc.

Read the full story at CNN:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/?cnn=yes

Texas, Florida lead in government job growth
The Business Journals - by G. Scott Thomas
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:00am CDT - Last Modified: Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:38am CDT


Texas led the states with the largest growth in government jobs over the past 10 years.


    Texas adds 732,800 jobs in 10 years
    Financial sector shows new vigor
    Manufacturing drops in 49 states
    What jobs pay in America

Big government grew a bit bigger in 43 states and the District of Columbia during the past decade.

Texas posted the largest 10-year upswing in federal, state and local government jobs, adding 286,800 positions, according to an On Numbers study of employment data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

A total of 1,601,200 Texans held government jobs in April 2001, a figure that grew to 1,888,000 by last month.

Next in the national standings were Florida, which added 94,700 government jobs in 10 years, North Carolina (up 78,000) and Virginia (up 77,300).

See the bottom of this story for a state-by-state breakdown of government employment. This report follows similar studies the past three days of private-sector job growth by states, growth in financial and the overall decline in manufacturing jobs.

Michigan shed the largest number of government jobs over the past decade, reducing its total by 64,000. Next were Ohio (down 16,500) and Louisiana (down 15,100). Seven states lost government jobs over the 10-year period.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/on-numbers/scott-thomas/2011/05/government-gets-bigger-in-43-states.html

Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
More like 3.0

Many consider BHO to be 2.0... :)

Not that many I am willing to bet.