Rumor has it that the city has all of the light poles stored in some warehouse. Does anyone know anything about this? Is there anyway we could get those back from the city and relight our neighborhood?
I think they're being kept at the Devil School, or the Kingsley Plantation, whichever is more haunted.
Seriously though, I don't see the city paying to store something like that, unless they had only taken them down temporarily for restoration or something.
Were street lights removed from somewhere and put into storage? I don't really understand the original post.
A few years ago I photographed historic light poles along Park Street through Brooklyn to Willowbranch Park. The COJ historic preservation department knows about these poles. I believe they have an inventory. You might check with them.
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I've heard the same thing. That the City bought enough historic light poles for all of Springfield years ago but didn't install them.
Are we talking about the real historic light poles (like the ones in the image above) or the newer faux duplicates?
i think the original light poles.
Quote from: Jumpinjack on June 07, 2011, 11:37:11 AM
A few years ago I photographed historic light poles along Park Street through Brooklyn to Willowbranch Park. The COJ historic preservation department knows about these poles. I believe they have an inventory. You might check with them.
Photos here are clickable to enlarge.
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jumpinjack, Nice pics.
Does anyone have a pic of an old street car pole? Still asking about the pole behind the old St. Lukes hospital next to Hogans Creek and given its proximity to the railroad lines. Its not a light pole.
The old ones still in place down Park St. have had their original tops removed and the modern "cobra" heads fastened to them. Maybe they are storing some of the old tops along with the old fixtures that were removed from other places. Park St. couldn't have been the only street with these fixtures.
Wonder what the tops looked like? Anybody have any old pictures of Park St.?
To clarify, I am asking about the ones that once lined the streets in Springfield. (supposedly)
Don't know about their location today but they were still in place right up to the recent streetscape. Here is a 2007 image of Main Street with one of those poles in the background.
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-638-dcp_9670.JPG)
Here is one on the corner of Main & 17th Street.
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-8046-p1170524.JPG)
In a similar vein, does anyone know what became of the old horse hitching rails that were in front of Genovar's Hall in LaVilla?
Recently got the goods on the old bronze marker that once sat on the end of the original Lee Street Viaduct... It IS in storage too. Time to dig it out and rebuild that bridge like God Intended, as a gate to the city.
The old metal light poles might well date to the Jacksonville Traction Company era 1912-1936. Based on their shapes they probably didn't hold a bracket arm, rather they likely held a span wire system. We'd need to see the upper 5' - 10' feet and look for holes or mounting plates.
Lastly, the poles behind Old St. Luke's might well have been light poles for the railroad yard that once operated down along the creek. In fact TWO railroad yards. Most yards have some combination of street lights and stadium type lighting, while major ones are out and out day lighted.
Glendale California has a ton of those old poles in a storage yard visible from the train on the Burbank-Palmdale Metrolink Line. As the train rolls under a highway at about the junction of Glendale and Burbank City Limits, and there must be 10,000 of them. If Glendale has them, why not Jax?
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 07, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Lastly, the poles behind Old St. Luke's might well have been light poles for the railroad yard that once operated down along the creek. In fact TWO railroad yards. Most yards have some combination of street lights and stadium type lighting, while major ones are out and out day lighted.
OCKLAWAHA
Ock, Good info. 1912-1936? That's cool. There is a cable line attached. Very faded 1" lettering on the front. For that time period a streetcar line that would bring people to the back of the hospital at the time when street cars were popular?
So you have the casket company building. Old St. Luke's hospital. Maxwell House. A vibrant working waterfront. Does MJ have the actual old streetcar line routes that existed in this city?
Is there a picture of a streetcar line pole anywhere in Jacksonville that is standing today?
Ock, lets make it happen and paddle Hogans Creek together. So much rail history at that spot. Even if it turns out to be an old railroad yard light pole.
Historical lighting fixtures would be great on a public pier. Wonder if there's anything that could be salvageable - and appropriate - from the inventory.
jdog, That is an excellent idea. It can happen.
Quote from: thelakelander on June 07, 2011, 03:15:10 PM
Are we talking about the real historic light poles (like the ones in the image above) or the newer faux duplicates?
I was talking about the faux duplicates. But real ones would be so much better. :-)
Those old light posts are made of cast iron and with a little sand blasting and painting would look great and last forever. Look how long they have lasted with no care.
OCK, was there a streetcar line that ran down Park Street? I thought it went down Oak St or do you mean that the street lights were suspended from an overhead grid?
Yes, we have accurate maps of the Jacksonville Street Railway Systems.
1912-1936, This was the lifespan of the Jacksonville Traction Company. Streetcars pre dated that with a myriad of companies operating in the city from the mid 1870's until the early around 1900 when the Jacksonville Electric Company took over and began to consolidate the various companies. Quite a few miles were abandoned as they rationalized the routes then went back into a building mode. In the end over 60 miles of route and over 100 miles of track covered the city. Bay, Monroe and Union Street car lines, all crossed the rail yards by Maxwell House.
Duval seems to have been a temporary streetcar route, one that was removed early on. Funny because Duval and Beaver in combination with Lafayette or Randolph makes the most sense today for an entertainment loop.
Be glad to paddle Hogans Creek, but do you really want that Titanic experience?
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Dog Walker on June 08, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Those old light posts are made of cast iron and with a little sand blasting and painting would look great and last forever. Look how long they have lasted with no care.
OCK, was there a streetcar line that ran down Park Street? I thought it went down Oak St or do you mean that the street lights were suspended from an overhead grid?
The Riverside/Ortega, Seaboard-Lackawanna and Murray Hill Car Lines all ran through Riverside.
From the Union Station the lines covered Bay Street From Myrtle to Florida Avenue (today's A.P.Randolph). South of Bay one line ran down Riverside (over the old Acosta Viaduct) to ELECTRIC AVENUE (today's Edison) hence
CAMP JOHNSTON / ORTEGA / FAIRFAX / AVONDALE / RIVERSIDE / BROOKLYN LINE
Edison to Oak to King to St. Johns to ABERDEEN to Herschel to Grand to Baltic to Baltic Cir to Manitou to Ortega Blvd to near the ACL RR to Albemarle to (Black Point on the ST. Johns River - CAMP JOHNSTON/FOSTER/NAS JAX)
MURRAY HILL / RIVERSIDE LINE
Bay to Myrtle to Edison to Dellwood to Margaret to Myra to Stockton to College to (the west side of the ACL Railroad - CSX) to Edgewood to (on Edgewood to the corner of Colby)
SEABOARD - LACKAWANNA SHOPS LINE
Bay to Riverside to Edison to Mc Duff to Warrington (named for the Seaboard President BTW) to about Day Ave.
There was also a short extension on McDuff to Lenox but it is unknown how it was used/if ever. Until about 1968 the grand junction at Edison and Dellwood and Myrtle was still very visible in the street with the rails above the asphalt level. Today that site is under the new BIG I interchange.
Nothing on Park, however LEE STREET north of Park did have a car line on it. Funny they understood way back in 1900 that twas better to have a single car line down the middle of Oak, with Park on one side and Riverside on the other, then it was to choose either Park or Riverside at the risk of alienating the other. OCKLAWAHA
So the posts on Park must have been for lights. Wonder what they looked like.
I always thought the Murray Hill Line ran up Dellwood to Stockton not Myra; thanks for the correction.
There was a row of storefronts on Margaret between Edison and Forest St. (the new Animal Care and Control Building is on one of the sites) and I always thought that one of the lines ran past them too which is why they were there. TOD!
Definitely went up Myra. Go take a look and see how much wider it is than Dellwood to make room for the tracks. The railroad ties are still under the street. I've seen them when JEA was working on water lines.
There were more decorative, metal light poles lining the residential streets in Springfield originally. There is still one left on E. 5th St. I heard when I moved to the neihborhhod ten years ago that the city had taken them down and had them in storage. Nothing would surprise me. The old Kings rd. marker was taken down years ago and just turned up when some city workers cleaned some long ignored storage area. It was cleaned and placed in San Marco. The people involved just won a preservation award last month.
I've seen the one on E. 5th. Glad to know what it is. It's placed in an odd spot that I thought the homeowner placed it there. Springfield Girl who would be a go to person to find out where these are, IF they are still around?
Quote from: drhandbook on June 07, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
Rumor has it that the city has all of the light poles stored in some warehouse.
Check the 200 block of Confederate Street.
There are about 6 of those real historic light poles on Ortega Blvd. Just drove past them this morning.