Alvin wins by a slim margin, 603 votes to be exact. Kimberly, wins which to me is not an upset.
And now we have a recount, let the shadiness begin.
What is everyone's thoughts?
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/28068/44228/en/summary.html (Election Results)
37 percent voter turnout which is sad, but I am glad someone showed up and Alvin won. Hopefully we can increase voter turnout in the future. All in all, it looks like the people chose to move forward with Jacksonville, Florida and not Cowford, FL with Mike Hogan. Hopefully Alvin can be certified.
Brown won???
Unofficially by 603 votes, their is a recount underway.
There is not a recount under way. First they have to count the outstanding absentees and provisionals.
Ahhh. Thanks for the information, I was told it was a recount.
Absenteee ballots are normally 2 to 1 Rebuplican, so we will see what happens.
Quote from: Dapperdan on May 18, 2011, 09:08:27 AM
Absenteee ballots are normally 2 to 1 Rebuplican, so we will see what happens.
Not in this case. There are aout 1100 of them, and Corrine Brown said to Stephen that she personally delivered a stack of 482 from her constituents to the Gateway Mall precinct yesterday. So...reading between the lines here...it would seem like the worst the absentee ballots are going to get is probably 50/50. Which leaves whatever provisional ballots aren't disqualified, there are 5 or 600 of them, and obviously no way to know that until the final tally is over.
For Hogan to win at this point, every single provisional ballot and every single one of the remaining 600 absentee ballots besides Corinne Brown's stack would have to be for Hogan, and statistically I think that's unlikely.
Right Stephen. It was just a historical reference for going backwards, thats all.
IMO, id like the city to be Cowford, Florida. But i also favored renaming it Michaeljacksonville, since he did much more for the city than president Jackson.
Congrats to MetroJax for their successfull support of our new mayor! We HAVE made history!
Quote from: hillary supporter on May 18, 2011, 09:57:47 AM
But i also favored renaming it Michaeljacksonville
Hee hee!
Wow, just checked Hogan's Facebook page, and it looks like Jacksonville is being prayer bombed. Sample comments:
QuoteAll I have to say is...Mike Hogan WILL be Jacksonville's next because Mike Hogan serves an AWESOME GOD as well as I do and I KNOW that MY GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE WILL PUT HIS MAN IN OFFICE...ENOUGH SAID!!!!
Uh, I think God's got bigger priorities than delivering Mike Hogan to office . . .
Quote"It's in God's hands... sometimes God doesn't give us the leader we need, he gives us the one we deserve. Shame on those Jacksonville voters who did not think voting was worthy of their time. Praying for God's mercy on Jacksonville as the absentee and provisional ballots are counted. Nothing is impossible with our God!"
WTF?
well, to be fair there are plenty of posts on Brown's facebook page about prayer and God.
True enough. Both of these candidates are very religious men. Many of their supporters share their faith.
/\ True. I was just struck by the overtly religious tone on Hogan's page, and a tad offended that we're apparently supposed to be praying for God's mercy because Brown's prospective win is some sort of judgement on the city . . .
Quote from: fsujax on May 18, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
well, to be fair there are plenty of posts on Brown's facebook page about prayer and God.
No doubt, but he appears to be the more 'tolerant' of other faiths around him. That's another point that got him some votes.
In the interest of being "Fair and Balanced" I present a sample post from the Brown FB page:
QuoteGM, to God be the glory in everything that we do. God has his hands all over the Brown campaign. We will NOT, I say it again will not repeat the disaster of what we exp in our President 2000 election. The race is very close, but we have to "BELIEVE" in our minds n hearts Alvin Brown will make history in our city 2day/2moro/right now/in the present. I decree it NOW!!! WE SHALL PREVAIL!!
actually as I understand it, there are 1600 ballots being counted today.....so assuming all of the ones Corrine delivered are accepted and are for Alvin, he will have an 1100 vote lead...Hogan would have to get every remaining ballot to make it a tie
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: fsujax on May 18, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
well, to be fair there are plenty of posts on Brown's facebook page about prayer and God.
No doubt, but he appears to be the more 'tolerant' of other faiths around him. That's another point that got him some votes.
I also don't think Brown used religion to pander to the zealots the way that Hogan did. Abortion clinic bombing comment, bringing up Sharia law...
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
actually as I understand it, there are 1600 ballots being counted today.....so assuming all of the ones Corrine delivered are accepted and are for Alvin, he will have an 100 vote lead...Hogan would have to get every remaining ballot to make it a tie
You mean 1100 right?
Quote from: grimss on May 18, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
Jacksonville is being prayer bombed.
Hmmmmm....... i want to acknowledge this quote as a good concept for art!
Quote"It's in God's hands... sometimes God doesn't give us the leader we need, he gives us the one we deserve.
I think this is a modified quote from
The Dark Knight.
Quote from: stephendare on May 18, 2011, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
actually as I understand it, there are 1600 ballots being counted today.....so assuming all of the ones Corrine delivered are accepted and are for Alvin, he will have an 100 vote lead...Hogan would have to get every remaining ballot to make it a tie
you owe me a dollar as well, tufsu.
I will gladly give you a dollar...but did we ever place a wager?
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 18, 2011, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
actually as I understand it, there are 1600 ballots being counted today.....so assuming all of the ones Corrine delivered are accepted and are for Alvin, he will have an 100 vote lead...Hogan would have to get every remaining ballot to make it a tie
You mean 1100 right?
yes...keyboard didn't work..I have edited it
Jerry Holland just said that he expects to release the first vote totals from the counted provisionals at around 2:30 or 3:00. They're making good progress, but are on a two hour break as of now.
No provisionals have been tossed. All checked so far are clear to be counted.
Quote from: grimss on May 18, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
Wow, just checked Hogan's Facebook page, and it looks like Jacksonville is being prayer bombed. Sample comments:
QuoteAll I have to say is...Mike Hogan WILL be Jacksonville's next because Mike Hogan serves an AWESOME GOD as well as I do and I KNOW that MY GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE WILL PUT HIS MAN IN OFFICE...ENOUGH SAID!!!!
Uh, I think God's got bigger priorities than delivering Mike Hogan to office . . .
Quote"It's in God's hands... sometimes God doesn't give us the leader we need, he gives us the one we deserve. Shame on those Jacksonville voters who did not think voting was worthy of their time. Praying for God's mercy on Jacksonville as the absentee and provisional ballots are counted. Nothing is impossible with our God!"
WTF?
WWJD?
Why, vote Republican of course !!
Quote from: fsujax on May 18, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
well, to be fair there are plenty of posts on Brown's facebook page about prayer and God.
Good thing they were praying for the best leader instead of Mike Hogan winning ;D
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
No provisionals have been tossed. All checked so far are clear to be counted.
Jimmy, can you give us more info on this. The TU reports that half of the provisional ballots have been reviewed (about 320, then) and 125 provisional ballots have been tabulated (ie, verified and scanned).
The remaining 200 or so ballots remain unverified and have been set aside for the canvassing board to verify later, correct?
Quote from: vicupstate on May 18, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: grimss on May 18, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
Wow, just checked Hogan's Facebook page, and it looks like Jacksonville is being prayer bombed. Sample comments:
QuoteAll I have to say is...Mike Hogan WILL be Jacksonville's next because Mike Hogan serves an AWESOME GOD as well as I do and I KNOW that MY GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE WILL PUT HIS MAN IN OFFICE...ENOUGH SAID!!!!
Uh, I think God's got bigger priorities than delivering Mike Hogan to office . . .
Quote"It's in God's hands... sometimes God doesn't give us the leader we need, he gives us the one we deserve. Shame on those Jacksonville voters who did not think voting was worthy of their time. Praying for God's mercy on Jacksonville as the absentee and provisional ballots are counted. Nothing is impossible with our God!"
WTF?
WWJD?
Why, vote Republican of course !!
Apparently not as republican cross over is what may give Mr Brown the election...
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 18, 2011, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
actually as I understand it, there are 1600 ballots being counted today.....so assuming all of the ones Corrine delivered are accepted and are for Alvin, he will have an 100 vote lead...Hogan would have to get every remaining ballot to make it a tie
You mean 1100 right?
yes...keyboard didn't work..I have edited it
Gotcha. When you said 100 my heart skipped a beat. This whole thing is too damned close.
Quote from: stephendare on May 18, 2011, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: JaxByDefault on May 18, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
No provisionals have been tossed. All checked so far are clear to be counted.
Jimmy, can you give us more info on this. The TU reports that half of the provisional ballots have been reviewed (about 320, then) and 125 provisional ballots have been tabulated (ie, verified and scanned).
The remaining 200 or so ballots remain unverified and have been set aside for the canvassing board to verify later, correct?
that is exactly correct.
Yes, Stephen is right. I hear that there are some provisionals remaining that are going to be tossed. They're apparently holding the ones that look most suspect back until closer to the end of the sorting/verifying/clearing process. I guess to keep things moving smoothly otherwise.
-cue Who Wants to be a Millionaire dramatic music here-
-Josh
So how does Corrine end up with a bunch of absentee balots?? shouldn't have those been inthe hads of the SOE office on the day of?
Just curious. The way it sounded I envisioned her pulling them out of her purse or the trunk of her car.
I am trying to find a way to blame FBC for all of this.
I do think many republicans crossed the line to vote Brown. I would like to see the final numbers of Democrat, Republican and Independent registered voters that voted.
This Republican did vote for Brown. Thats one.
There are 4 in my family alone.
Quote from: danno on May 18, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
Just curious. The way it sounded I envisioned her pulling them out of her purse or the trunk of her car.
I am trying to find a way to blame FBC for all of this.
Haha that's what I was thinking too. I could see her doing something shady like that lol.
Quote from: stephendare on May 18, 2011, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: danno on May 18, 2011, 11:49:01 AM
So how does Corrine end up with a bunch of absentee balots?? shouldn't have those been inthe hads of the SOE office on the day of?
There was a voting drive at the Gateway center. It would be more accurate to say that Corrine witnessed them, she was on hand for the event. They were then delivered by the proper channels.
I was wondering the same thing.
You know FBC has been up to no good. Those Rascals!
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 18, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
I do think many republicans crossed the line to vote Brown. I would like to see the final numbers of Democrat, Republican and Independent registered voters that voted.
2 more here.
I'm a Republiclown who voted for Brown. :D
Quote from: danem on May 18, 2011, 12:30:59 PM
I'm a Republiclown who voted for Brown. :D
We should get some T'Shirts or buttons made.
REPUBLICLOWNS for BROWN
Interesting that the police and fire unions, the developers, builders, realtors, FBCers, Tea Party all picked the losing candidate. I sure hope Alvin is more free of the traditional special interests in this City than prior mayors. I do think he will have his hands full with a "do nothing" City Council that does reflect those traditional interests. As noted, maybe doing nothing is better than the wholesale "Rick Scott" style dismantling that Hogan may have implemented.
Quote from: danno on May 18, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
Quote from: danem on May 18, 2011, 12:30:59 PM
I'm a Republiclown who voted for Brown. :D
We should get some T'Shirts or buttons made.
REPUBLICLOWNS for BROWN
Now everyone gets it, because of those republiclowns for brown.
Hogan as "served" the past several years as a councilman, state legislature rep., and two term tax collector. Hes a SOCIALIST in disguise!!!!
Congrats my republican friends, you caught the socialist just in time!
I am a Realtor and a Union member (American Federation of Musicians) who voted for Brown. We are the city we are because of the GOB network, where Hogan is a lifemember. We have to try something different. I am hopeful Brown will be a very good mayor, but I don't really know.
M-train?
Quote from: stjr on May 18, 2011, 12:50:54 PM
Interesting that the police and fire unions, the developers, builders, realtors, FBCers, Tea Party all picked the losing candidate. I sure hope Alvin is more free of the traditional special interests in this City than prior mayors. I do think he will have his hands full with a "do nothing" City Council that does reflect those traditional interests. As noted, maybe doing nothing is better than the wholesale "Rick Scott" style dismantling that Hogan may have implemented.
Oh, rest assured, all of the above-mentioned usual suspects will be incredibly busy kissing ass beginning this morning. Will be interesting to see how Brown handles it. Actually, how Brown handles the attempts by this same group of back-slappers to ingratiate themselves with him will probably set the tone for the remainder of his term. If he buddies up, he limits himself in what changes he can make.
So will all of the political opportunists who came on here explaining that they joined with Hogan in spite of the fact that there was no way he could lose.
I just read on first coast news that the absentee ballots that have to be counted are from the gateway and downtown precincts. I think this may work out very well :)
It works out that way because a lot of people from those neighborhoods headed to the Gateway and Downtown SOE offices on Monday and Tuesday to vote, thinking they could. Instead of going to their local precinct, the offices allowed them to vote absentee - so long as they hadn't early-voted. Now they're vetting those signatures to make sure those individuals didn't also vote on election day in the home precinct.
I read that 2 voters did that so far, so those absentee ballots weren't scanned through the machine.
It is looking very promising !! :)
Indeed it is.
If Brown got this in the bag, will there be a representative of MetroJacksonville that can give Brown our inputs on among other representatives in the city?
-Josh
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
It works out that way because a lot of people from those neighborhoods headed to the Gateway and Downtown SOE offices on Monday and Tuesday to vote, thinking they could. Instead of going to their local precinct, the offices allowed them to vote absentee - so long as they hadn't early-voted. Now they're vetting those signatures to make sure those individuals didn't also vote on election day in the home precinct.
I read that 2 voters did that so far, so those absentee ballots weren't scanned through the machine.
Gosh Jimmy you can spoil a wet dream. ;D Thanks for clearing that up for me
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
It works out that way because a lot of people from those neighborhoods headed to the Gateway and Downtown SOE offices on Monday and Tuesday to vote, thinking they could. Instead of going to their local precinct, the offices allowed them to vote absentee - so long as they hadn't early-voted. Now they're vetting those signatures to make sure those individuals didn't also vote on election day in the home precinct.
I read that 2 voters did that so far, so those absentee ballots weren't scanned through the machine.
Those two people should be charged with election fraud.
Quote
If the margin ends up smaller than one-quarter of one percent, about 500 votes, elections staff would also have to look for voting errors on every absentee ballot, which could drag the results out even longer.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-05-17/story/holland-says-counting-final-votes-brown-hogan-race-wont-be-finished#ixzz1MjBv7TE7
Supposedly the next update will be published on the SOE website at around 2:30, once the next batch of ballots are counted.
Quote from: grimss on May 18, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
Wow, just checked Hogan's Facebook page, and it looks like Jacksonville is being prayer bombed. Sample comments:
QuoteAll I have to say is...Mike Hogan WILL be Jacksonville's next because Mike Hogan serves an AWESOME GOD as well as I do and I KNOW that MY GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE WILL PUT HIS MAN IN OFFICE...ENOUGH SAID!!!!
Uh, I think God's got bigger priorities than delivering Mike Hogan to office . . .
Quote"It's in God's hands... sometimes God doesn't give us the leader we need, he gives us the one we deserve. Shame on those Jacksonville voters who did not think voting was worthy of their time. Praying for God's mercy on Jacksonville as the absentee and provisional ballots are counted. Nothing is impossible with our God!"
WTF?
Welcome to the south! It almost as bad as Atlanta....
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 18, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
If Brown got this in the bag, will there be a representative of MetroJacksonville that can give Brown our inputs on among other representatives in the city?
-Josh
I consider MJ an open forum for many ideas and perspectives. I am not sure it would be healthy for MJ to be viewed as an advocate for a specific plank outside of a clearly marked editorial or opinion piece. Surely, individuals involved in MJ ban together to do such advocacy, but to officially have the MJ name/institution wade full bore into waste deep water would appear to me to impair the appeal of MJ as that no-holds barred, all comers welcome, forum.
FWIW, if it did advocate, how far would it make it before members of the MJ constituency complained they differed from the "official" MJ advocacy and how would that be resolved? Heck, the MJ founders seem to have their share of opinions before even considering the rest of us hangers-on. :D
I think the power of MJ is to flush out issues and persuade/dissuade individuals to personally escalate their involvement in advocacy of what they believe in. It further helps people of like persuasion to "mobilize" as groups of people to maximize their impact. Kind of like the Facebook of Jacksonville issues.
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 18, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
If Brown got this in the bag, will there be a representative of MetroJacksonville that can give Brown our inputs on among other representatives in the city?
-Josh
His uncompromising endorsement of a downtown development authority (which i dint support myself) is, to me, an unquestionable yes for input from MJ. Now its up to us, you, to exert it!
To not use it, you will lose it!
Quote from: stjr on May 18, 2011, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 18, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
If Brown got this in the bag, will there be a representative of MetroJacksonville that can give Brown our inputs on among other representatives in the city?
-Josh
I consider MJ an open forum for many ideas and perspectives. I am not sure it would be healthy for MJ to be viewed as an advocate for a specific plank outside of a clearly marked editorial or opinion piece. Surely, individuals involved in MJ ban together to do such advocacy, but to officially have the MJ name/institution wade full bore into waste deep water would appear to me to impair the appeal of MJ as that no-holds barred, all comers welcome, forum.
FWIW, if it did advocate, how far would it make it before members of the MJ constituency complained they differed from the "official" MJ advocacy and how would that be resolved? Heck, the MJ founders seem to have their share of opinions before even considering the rest of us hangers-on. :D
I think the power of MJ is to flush out issues and persuade/dissuade individuals to personally escalate their involvement in advocacy of what they believe in. It further helps people of like persuasion to "mobilize" as groups of people to maximize their impact. Kind of like the Facebook of Jacksonville issues.
I dunno, the newspapers all give endorsements, and all the same could always be said about them. I think whatever works just works. When it comes to new media there are no hard and fast rules, it's all still developing around us.
Jake Godbold on the aftermath:
In an exclusive interview, former Mayor Jake Godbold told the Times-Union by phone this afternoon that the election should have been a relatively easy win for Hogan. Godbold blasted Hogan’s campaign for a series of problems he said it created that turned off voters, including not going to more debates and forums, failing to be more friendly to the media and failing to reach out to more people from the camps of those who lost in the first election â€" especially Audrey Moran.
“Brown won this race because he won a grass roots campaign,†Godbold said. “He didn’t write anybody off. He went and talked to everybody, while on the other side they ran like they had already won it.â€
Godbold was a staunch supporter of Audrey Moran’s and gave a lukewarm endorsement to Hogan after she lost in the first race. He held an event that he said raised $7,000 to $8,000 for Hogan, but did nothing more. He said he was troubled by Hogan’s pledge not to consider raising taxes, a promise Brown also made, and Hogan’s coolness to downtown development.
“It was Hogan’s race to lose and he lost it,†Godbold said. “His being against downtown and being kind of anti-moving Jacksonville forward scared a lot of people.â€
(will post link once I have it)
Update
Alvin Brown (DEM)
Percent of total votes
50.15% 95,955
Mike Hogan (REP)
Percent of total votes
49.85% 95,370
191,325
583 difference after the days first update.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 18, 2011, 02:37:01 PM
583 difference after the days first update.
3/10 of 1%.
That adds 768 ballots since the last update. That would leave roughly 900 outstanding, correct?
95,550 Brown vs 95,370 for Hogan, narrowed from 603 to 585, Alvin Brown still leads.
Sorry it is 585. Daniels up 121
This is still looking good.. think I ll keep my fingers crossed.. just no wine today ;)
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
Jake Godbold on the aftermath:
In an exclusive interview, former Mayor Jake Godbold told the Times-Union by phone this afternoon that the election should have been a relatively easy win for Hogan. Godbold blasted Hogan’s campaign for a series of problems he said it created that turned off voters, including not going to more debates and forums, failing to be more friendly to the media and failing to reach out to more people from the camps of those who lost in the first election â€" especially Audrey Moran.
“Brown won this race because he won a grass roots campaign,†Godbold said. “He didn’t write anybody off. He went and talked to everybody, while on the other side they ran like they had already won it.â€
Godbold was a staunch supporter of Audrey Moran’s and gave a lukewarm endorsement to Hogan after she lost in the first race. He held an event that he said raised $7,000 to $8,000 for Hogan, but did nothing more. He said he was troubled by Hogan’s pledge not to consider raising taxes, a promise Brown also made, and Hogan’s coolness to downtown development.
“It was Hogan’s race to lose and he lost it,†Godbold said. “His being against downtown and being kind of anti-moving Jacksonville forward scared a lot of people.â€
(will post link once I have it)
Well....even Jake regrets backing Hogan...who did Delaney back? Austin was from Brown....Did Hazouri have a take?? Gotta respect Jakes honesty though. He was and still is a fan of making Jax better and more modern.
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 18, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
Well....even Jake regrets backing Hogan...who did Delaney back? Austin was from Brown....Did Hazouri have a take?? Gotta respect Jakes honesty though. He was and still is a fan of making Jax better and more modern.
Delaney was quietly anti-Hogan. Austin backed Brown. Mayor Hazouri was with Brown - in fact he was reading election returns from my iPad last night at the Hyatt.
I think lots of groups played into this election result but the voice of this Metrojacksonville.com community is growing and the powers that be would be wise to pay attention.
More from Jake, via the TU liveblog:
More from the Times-Union’s exclusive interview with former Mayor Jake Godbold, who blasted Hogan’s campaign for a variety of reasons.
Godbold said Brown scored a major coup when GOP fundraiser Peter Rummell and others decided to endorse and finance him because of their dislike for Hogan. That dislike included a fear that Hogan had no vision and be a poor ambassador for the city.
“When all those money people said this guy’s too negative, he’s against downtown, he’s against all these things we worked so hard for, I think that began to turn [other] people off.â€
Godbold said Hogan’s campaign missed plenty of opportunities to help put him over the top and gave him “a lot of bad advice.â€
“A lot of people who would have been willing to help Hogan weren’t asked to join him,†Godbold said.
Of his deciding to hold a fundraiser for Hogan, Godbold said, “I just had friends on both sides. I thought Hogan was going to win, but as time went along, Brown really said the things he needed to say and I think he believes what he said.â€
(if they ever produce a link, I'll include it here)
I'm still worried that the rest of the ballots will go Hogan's way. I'm not trying to sound negative, but cautiously optimistic.
Quote from: urbaknight on May 18, 2011, 04:17:46 PM
I'm still worried that the rest of the ballots will go Hogan's way. I'm not trying to sound negative, but cautiously optimistic.
Understandable. You never know how the tides may turn.
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 18, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
Well....even Jake regrets backing Hogan...who did Delaney back? Austin was from Brown....Did Hazouri have a take?? Gotta respect Jakes honesty though. He was and still is a fan of making Jax better and more modern.
Delaney was quietly anti-Hogan. Austin backed Brown. Mayor Hazouri was with Brown - in fact he was reading election returns from my iPad last night at the Hyatt.
Ok so Austin, Delaney, Hazouri and a regretful Godbold all in favor of Brown....now I ask...what was Mike Hogan thinking?? Did he think Jacksonville voters were that dumb? Could he really be that blind. He could have said everything Brown was saying and could have easily won.
Tommy Hazouri spoke very strongly in favor of Brown at the Memorial Park rally two weeks ago in front of 300 people--including Alvin Brown.
What's the latest word? Alvin still ahead?
I just filtered the posted results on the reports tab. Summary tab said results includes early voting, partial absentee ballots and partial provisional ballots. Of the 768 provisional ballots counted, the split is pretty close to 50/50 with 375 for Brown and 393 for Hogan. But on the Absentee ballots, it's 9600 for Brown and 18964 for Hogan, a 33/66 split. Anyone know how many total absentee ballots were cast and how many may remain? Because that's a pretty big split.
Maybe they should just stop counting right now.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on May 18, 2011, 04:44:47 PM
I just filtered the posted results on the reports tab. Summary tab said results includes early voting, partial absentee ballots and partial provisional ballots. Of the 768 provisional ballots counted, the split is pretty close to 50/50 with 375 for Brown and 393 for Hogan. But on the Absentee ballots, it's 9600 for Brown and 18964 for Hogan, a 33/66 split. Anyone know how many total absentee ballots were cast and how many may remain? Because that's a pretty big split.
Weren't the absentee ballots already part of the final talley from last night? I thought we were just waiting on provisional votes.
Copy/pasted from http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/30497/45207/en/summary.html
Unofficial Results
Includes Partial Absentee Ballots
Includes Early Voting Ballots
Includes Partial Provisional Ballots
Click on the report tab and, at the bottom, you can choose vote type absentee and precints all to see how that vote is going. I just don't know how many total absentee votes were cast. It shows 28,564 counted. Don't know how many there were total, if that's not all, and can't find it.
supposedly there are about 1000 absentee ballots that came in yesterday....Hogan would basically need to get 800 of them to win.
The confusing part is Corrine Brown says she deleivered 500+ absentee ballots to the Gateway elections office yesterday....but that makes little sense to me...why did she have absentee ballots?
Answered on another thread...or earlier on this one. Big rally at Gateway. She was there. Probably assisted in gathering them up and handing them over.
So, if 1000 is the total amount of absentee ballots not counted and based on the existing 66/33 split, Hogan would have to pick up over 1200 votes to win...585 plus about 650 of the 1000 absentee ballots, less the 18 he's ahead in provisionals.
From the Canvassing Board schedule on the SOE home page....public inspection allowed each time first. Unopened absentee ballots received prior to May 11th were opened and processed May 11th. Unopened ballots received between May 11th and May 16th were processed each day...Thurs May 12 through Mon May 16. Unopened absentee ballots received by mail May 16 and May 17 processed May 17. Wed May 18, public inspection of unopened absentee ballots received over the counter 5/16 and 5/17, verification and tabulation of provisional and un-scanned ballots. Opening and machine processing of absentee ballots.
So, it sounds like they only needed to count the last two days of absentee ballots...those that came in late and the over the counter ones. Maybe that's where the 1000 came from.
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 18, 2011, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 18, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
Well....even Jake regrets backing Hogan...who did Delaney back? Austin was from Brown....Did Hazouri have a take?? Gotta respect Jakes honesty though. He was and still is a fan of making Jax better and more modern.
Delaney was quietly anti-Hogan. Austin backed Brown. Mayor Hazouri was with Brown - in fact he was reading election returns from my iPad last night at the Hyatt.
Ok so Austin, Delaney, Hazouri and a regretful Godbold all in favor of Brown....now I ask...what was Mike Hogan thinking?? Did he think Jacksonville voters were that dumb? Could he really be that blind. He could have said everything Brown was saying and could have easily won.
You know the old phrase about a leopard and his spots.
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
The confusing part is Corrine Brown says she deleivered 500+ absentee ballots to the Gateway elections office yesterday....but that makes little sense to me...why did she have absentee ballots?
Because Corrine delivers.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on May 18, 2011, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
The confusing part is Corrine Brown says she deleivered 500+ absentee ballots to the Gateway elections office yesterday....but that makes little sense to me...why did she have absentee ballots?
Because Corrine delivers.
In an ill-gotten Lexus, if I recall correctly...
Go Gatah!!!
If we don't hear differing points of view then this website is much less useful to everyone. Less crowing might be a good idea.
For starters we need to get Mtrain and Big guy to come back on. If either of you are out there please post!
Who is crowing?
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/30497/45211/en/summary.html (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/30497/45211/en/summary.html)
WE HAVE AN UPDATE...
and Brown now leads Hogan by 1,536.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 05:53:43 PM
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/30497/45211/en/summary.html (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/30497/45211/en/summary.html)
WE HAVE AN UPDATE...
and Brown now leads Hogan by 1,536.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (ok im tired now lol)
You can call him Mayor-Elect Brown now.
We did it.
130 votes between Love & Dame, and over 1,000 leading Daniels over Taylor.
Can't have everything.
Both the Brown-Hogan and Daniels-Taylor races are outside of the statutory recount threshold. If either loser wants a recount, then they will have to get a court order.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
130 votes between Love & Dame, and over 1,000 leading Daniels over Taylor.
Can't have everything.
Much as I liked Jill Dame, it certainly didn't seem like Jim Love was in any way objectionable, or did I miss something? He sounded solid on urban core and transportation issues as I recall.
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
You can call him Mayor-Elect Brown now.
We did it.
I will call him 'The Boss' after July 1.
And Wacca Pilatka, sorry I didn't mean to make anything about my district... merely posting the votes. I was just saying that 'can't have everything' about the other race.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
And Wacca Pilatka, sorry I didn't mean to make anything about my district... merely posting the votes. I was just saying that 'can't have everything' about the other race.
Gotcha.
Love/Dame was one of those races where I wished both candidates could be on the council. And Shelton Hull, for that matter. Similar to Tappouni/Hall/Lumb.
http://www.youtube.com/v/u2W1Wi2U9sQ
Enjoy listening to that music while reading this.
And behold for the first time in Jacksonville's history, we are finally ascending the great bold stride into the Twenty-First Century with high hopes and enthusiasm. Godspeed to us all!
-Josh
Not true Coolyfett.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 18, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Not true Coolyfett.
It is happening Jeff...honestly.
5pm Thursday, May 19.
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 18, 2011, 06:09:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/u2W1Wi2U9sQ
Enjoy listening to that music while reading this.
And behold for the first time in Jacksonville's history, we are finally ascending the great bold stride into the Twenty-First Century with high hopes and enthusiasm. Godspeed to us all!
-Josh
Great choice of music!
Mr. Hogan has conceded the race to Mayor-Elect Alvin Brown. It's over.
Holy crap. I'm witnessing history being made, right here in Cowford.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 18, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
If we don't hear differing points of view then this website is much less useful to everyone. Less crowing might be a good idea.
For starters we need to get Mtrain and Big guy to come back on. If either of you are out there please post!
Are you kidding? I am DYING for the both of them to show up. Crowing isn't as much fun if nobody hears!
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 18, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 18, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
If we don't hear differing points of view then this website is much less useful to everyone. Less crowing might be a good idea.
For starters we need to get Mtrain and Big guy to come back on. If either of you are out there please post!
Are you kidding? I am DYING for the both of them to show up. Crowing isn't as much fun if nobody hears!
Don't expect any thing good to be said ... Just sayin ;)
If he comes back, mtrain will have an avatar that says "Is it 2015 Yet?"
Oh ,,,he will be back.. he probably is logged on as a visitor :P . He was on Gloating the night Moran lost....so naturally hes got his panties in a wad over the upset...but this too will pass..plus I know for a fact he has always enjoyed stabbing at me...so he will return.. not to worry.
Quote from: Timkin on May 18, 2011, 10:15:01 PM
Oh ,,,he will be back.. he probably is logged on as a visitor :P . He was on Gloating the night Moran lost....so naturally hes got his panties in a wad over the upset...but this too will pass..plus I know for a fact he has always enjoyed stabbing at me...so he will return.. not to worry.
I'm glad to hear that.
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
If he comes back, mtrain will have an avatar that says "Is it 2015 Yet?"
He probably might want to change his Avatar though. or keep it.. I really don't care :)
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 19, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
And that about sums it up. At least a good portion of it.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 19, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
Agreed. He was very cocky and arrogant throughout the entire campaign!
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 19, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
That's pretty much dead on.
I think the victory celebrations for Alvin Brown are a little overly-enthusiastic. I didn't care for either guy and I really don't see Alvin Brown as being the White Knight for
Gotham Jacksonville. Nothing in his platform struck me as particularly visionary and I don't see him revolutionizing anything. But surely Hogan wouldn't have, either, and Hogan came off as having a cocky attitude.
We'll see. I wish Brown luck and hope he does a decent job. Glad Jacksonville managed to get a non-white male into the office, at least.
I think Bill Scheu's letter to the editor was very impactful to a lot of people too.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 19, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
That could not be more true. I think his pandering to the religious zealots with his needless comments about abortion clinics and Sharia law hurt as well. It turned off alot of moderate voters. He was way too cocky and I felt like he acted as if he was above campaigning and he should just be handed the job.
Quote from: Timkin on May 18, 2011, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 18, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
If he comes back, mtrain will have an avatar that says "Is it 2015 Yet?"
He probably might want to change his Avatar though. or keep it.. I really don't care :)
...or the Schlitz beer logo.Schlitz taste in a micro brewery world.
For many,a vote for Alvin Brown was a firewall against the outlook and attitudes of the MTrains & Co.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 18, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
You can call him Mayor-Elect Brown now.
We did it.
I will call him 'The Boss' after July 1.
And Wacca Pilatka, sorry I didn't mean to make anything about my district... merely posting the votes. I was just saying that 'can't have everything' about the other race.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on May 18, 2011, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 18, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
And Wacca Pilatka, sorry I didn't mean to make anything about my district... merely posting the votes. I was just saying that 'can't have everything' about the other race.
Gotcha.
Love/Dame was one of those races where I wished both candidates could be on the council. And Shelton Hull, for that matter. Similar to Tappouni/Hall/Lumb.
Was Jill Dame eligible to run for an at large position? I wondered from the beginning why she didn't go that route because i think she has a lot of influence outside of the Ortega/RAP area and could have had alot of supporters. I voted for Love but would haved liked to have both on the council also.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 19, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 19, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
From the Facebook page for WOKV -
Many of us that consider ourselves to be fiscal conservatives just would not support Mike Hogan because of his affiliations and ego. Too good to attend town halls? He acted like the job was his and there was no reason for an election. That is the reason he lost.
That could not be more true. I think his pandering to the religious zealots with his needless comments about abortion clinics and Sharia law hurt as well. It turned off alot of moderate voters. He was way too cocky and I felt like he acted as if he was above campaigning and he should just be handed the job.
+1
I felt like I was watching George W. Bush all over again...
Is the swearing in on July 1st. I'd like to attend. I think I'm going to take July 1st off work. Big metrojax meet up and party??
The thing to remember is that HALF of the voters in this city did not want Alvin Brown. Sure, 'hater gonna hate' and all, but if we want to really bring everyone together under this guy as mayor then we need to NOT get a superiority complex.
We need to get rid of this childish mentality of "I'm in charge, I win, and I say so" that's out there in politics. It's a terrible example and only breeds contempt.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 19, 2011, 10:15:12 AM
The thing to remember is that HALF of the voters in this city did not want Alvin Brown. Sure, 'hater gonna hate' and all, but if we want to really bring everyone together under this guy as mayor then we need to NOT get a superiority complex.
We need to get rid of this childish mentality of "I'm in charge, I win, and I say so" that's out there in politics. It's a terrible example and only breeds contempt.
Half the voters who... voted. The other nearly two thirds of the voting population... couldnt be bothered at all.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 19, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
Is the swearing in on July 1st. I'd like to attend. I think I'm going to take July 1st off work. Big metrojax meet up and party??
I love that idea! I'll go! I'm already taking leave for it!
Very true, Cliff's Daughter.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 19, 2011, 10:15:12 AM
The thing to remember is that HALF of the voters in this city did not want Alvin Brown. Sure, 'hater gonna hate' and all, but if we want to really bring everyone together under this guy as mayor then we need to NOT get a superiority complex.
We need to get rid of this childish mentality of "I'm in charge, I win, and I say so" that's out there in politics. It's a terrible example and only breeds contempt.
I don't think anyone has that attitude. The issue was the typically racist and vile comments being posted at the TU's site about Brown. Those aren't people whose needs can be incorporated into any rational government.
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 19, 2011, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 19, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
Is the swearing in on July 1st. I'd like to attend. I think I'm going to take July 1st off work. Big metrojax meet up and party??
I love that idea! I'll go! I'm already taking leave for it!
I like it
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 19, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 19, 2011, 10:15:12 AM
The thing to remember is that HALF of the voters in this city did not want Alvin Brown. Sure, 'hater gonna hate' and all, but if we want to really bring everyone together under this guy as mayor then we need to NOT get a superiority complex.
We need to get rid of this childish mentality of "I'm in charge, I win, and I say so" that's out there in politics. It's a terrible example and only breeds contempt.
I don't think anyone has that attitude. The issue was the typically racist and vile comments being posted at the TU's site about Brown. Those aren't people whose needs can be incorporated into any rational government.
+1 Chris
Another +1 to BridgeTroll's comment as well.
Not to split the hairs too finely, but to Bridge's point, it wasn't half of the voters... it was more like 18% of the voters who didn't want him.
All those who didn't bother to vote, strictly IMO, don't get to have an opinion on the matter.
headed to the celebration on the skyway
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 19, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on May 19, 2011, 10:15:12 AM
The thing to remember is that HALF of the voters in this city did not want Alvin Brown. Sure, 'hater gonna hate' and all, but if we want to really bring everyone together under this guy as mayor then we need to NOT get a superiority complex.
We need to get rid of this childish mentality of "I'm in charge, I win, and I say so" that's out there in politics. It's a terrible example and only breeds contempt.
I don't think anyone has that attitude. The issue was the typically racist and vile comments being posted at the TU's site about Brown. Those aren't people whose needs can be incorporated into any rational government.
That's the attitude I've seen around here, lately. I am completely in the middle here - I think all sides of the political spectrum are equal parts corrupt and inept - but there's a ton of college football fan-esque "IN YOUR
FACE!!!" type commentary that tends to come from both sides. This time it's coming from the Brown supporters. Probably would have come from the Hogan supporters had he won. Gets tiresome for those of us who would like to actually see some positive changes take place regardless of which political party is involved or who is in office.
It would be interesting to look at the percentage of registered voters who voted broken out by precinct not just the whole city. It might shed some light on the dynamic of the election. Interesting to compare it to the general election results as well.
I woudl like to actually see the number of registered Republicans who voted for Brown.
I love the ones who don't vote. I feel like I am casting a proxy vote for them.
Quote from: Dog Walker on May 19, 2011, 10:50:07 AM
It would be interesting to look at the percentage of registered voters who voted broken out by precinct not just the whole city. It might shed some light on the dynamic of the election. Interesting to compare it to the general election results as well.
+1
If my suspicions are correct, I'm guessing a lot of Riverside/Avondale, San Marco, and downtown turned out, that a lot of the westside turned out, and that pockets of the northside had a good showing. Again, this is just a stab in the dark, but I'd guess the rest of the city probably had a lackadaisical showing as usual. This are the areas of town for whom this election really mattered.
I would love to see an actual number on registered vs. turned out for each area.
I can speak for one registered R on the westside that voted AB.
http://www.bet.com/news/politics/2011/05/19/jacksonville-florida-elects-its-first-black-mayor.html?ftcnt=HP_News
Quote from: Timkin on May 18, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 18, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 18, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
If we don't hear differing points of view then this website is much less useful to everyone. Less crowing might be a good idea.
For starters we need to get Mtrain and Big guy to come back on. If either of you are out there please post!
Are you kidding? I am DYING for the both of them to show up. Crowing isn't as much fun if nobody hears!
Don't expect any thing good to be said ... Just sayin ;)
I hope they come back on. It's more interesting to have all points of view represented here. A metro environment includes everybody.
Quote from: urbaknight on May 19, 2011, 01:57:15 PM
I hope they come back on. It's more interesting to have all points of view represented here. A metro environment includes everybody.
Yes. Even if they think Downtown isn't important. ;)
Since there are more registered democrats than replublicians I'm thinking it was the independents that really influence the elections. Yes we heard a lot about the prominate republicians backing Brown but the news doesn't always represent reality.
Quote from: Overstreet on May 19, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Since there are more registered democrats than replublicians I'm thinking it was the independents that really influence the elections. Yes we heard a lot about the prominate republicians backing Brown but the news doesn't always represent reality.
Thats brings an interesting point to my mind, Overstreet. Kim Daniels election was that because of her democratic affliation? I voted for her as a democrat, but did the other candidate, Donald Foy, lose because he failed to associate with the demos. He was NPA.
Wasnt he a community activist with the group of fathers against heavy crime in Jacksonville?
Hats off to jerry holland..... An honest election the city can take pride in!
I know I didnt vote for Kim Daniels because she is a nut case, and Im a democrat. Im a chrisitian myself, but I dont agree with Christians that try to push their views on others. And I didnt want her bringing that to the city council and using that as a basis to make decisions. Hopefully she proves me wrong. And Donald Foy actually attends my chruch. I just didnt see him as a strong candidate.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 19, 2011, 09:10:05 PM
I know I didnt vote for Kim Daniels because she is a nut case, and Im a democrat. Im a chrisitian myself, but I dont agree with Christians that try to push their views on others. And I didnt want her bringing that to the city council and using that as a basis to make decisions. Hopefully she proves me wrong. And Donald Foy actually attends my chruch. I just didnt see him as a strong candidate.
Don't sweat it man. All the 'christians' will be gone after Saturday.
Well...the perfect ones will be , anyway
Quote from: Timkin on May 19, 2011, 10:03:25 PM
Well...the perfect ones will be , anyway
So unfortunately we'll still be stuck with other 99.9999999999999999999999999999%
Shouldn't they be giving out money instead of pamphlets anyhow? They can't keep it when they leave.
Quote from: hillary supporter on May 19, 2011, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on May 19, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Since there are more registered democrats than replublicians I'm thinking it was the independents that really influence the elections. Yes we heard a lot about the prominate republicians backing Brown but the news doesn't always represent reality.
Thats brings an interesting point to my mind, Overstreet. Kim Daniels election was that because of her democratic affliation? I voted for her as a democrat, but did the other candidate, Donald Foy, lose because he failed to associate with the demos. He was NPA.
Wasnt he a community activist with the group of fathers against heavy crime in Jacksonville?
Is it just me or do the Duval County Republicans have a tough time with keeping black politicos in their fold?
Marc Little?
Gwen Chandler?
Glorious Johnson?
Donald Foy?
Quote from: Jaxson on May 20, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: hillary supporter on May 19, 2011, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on May 19, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Since there are more registered democrats than replublicians I'm thinking it was the independents that really influence the elections. Yes we heard a lot about the prominate republicians backing Brown but the news doesn't always represent reality.
Thats brings an interesting point to my mind, Overstreet. Kim Daniels election was that because of her democratic affliation? I voted for her as a democrat, but did the other candidate, Donald Foy, lose because he failed to associate with the demos. He was NPA.
Wasnt he a community activist with the group of fathers against heavy crime in Jacksonville?
Is it just me or do the Duval County Republicans have a tough time with keeping black politicos in their fold?
Marc Little?
Gwen Chandler?
Glorious Johnson?
Donald Foy?
How do you mean , Jaxson?
Quote from: Timkin on May 20, 2011, 12:24:28 AM
Quote from: Jaxson on May 20, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: hillary supporter on May 19, 2011, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on May 19, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Since there are more registered democrats than replublicians I'm thinking it was the independents that really influence the elections. Yes we heard a lot about the prominate republicians backing Brown but the news doesn't always represent reality.
Thats brings an interesting point to my mind, Overstreet. Kim Daniels election was that because of her democratic affliation? I voted for her as a democrat, but did the other candidate, Donald Foy, lose because he failed to associate with the demos. He was NPA.
Wasnt he a community activist with the group of fathers against heavy crime in Jacksonville?
Is it just me or do the Duval County Republicans have a tough time with keeping black politicos in their fold?
Marc Little?
Gwen Chandler?
Glorious Johnson?
Donald Foy?
How do you mean , Jaxson?
The Duval County Republicans have a history of embracing local black candidates and politicians like Gwen Chandler, but then we don't hear from them again. I wonder what causes Gwen Chandler and other black Republicans to disappear from the scene...or even from the party...
Oh okay , I get it now. I personally hope Glorious will reemerge. I miss her.