As a downtown resident one would think I'd automatically be tossed in the column of Alvin Brown. However, I am convinced that Hogan is the right choice for downtown going forward.
Downtown is not the most important part of Jacksonville. Not while we only have 'about' 2,000 residents. Let's be clear on that. We're just one piece of the mosaic that is Jacksonville, and we shouldn't expect more than the other neighborhoods. It is that kind of arrogant thinking that has caused the outlying neighborhoods to become resentful of downtown.
Let's be clear. Downtown has been successfully used as a wedge issue in this campaign by the Hogan campaign and to great effect. All he had to do was throw up a picture of the Skyway next to a photo of Alvin Brown and he terrified and angered a large percentage of Jacksonville's population.
They're mad at us here downtown, and if Alvin Brown were elected Mayor and taken more of their money and spent it downtown ... the rest of Jacksonville would be coming for us with burning torches and pitchforks. It would have been terrible, and would have resulted in four years of further dividing downtown from the rest of Jacksonville.
Mike Hogan isn't going to reach into the pockets of the hardworking people of Jacksonville to spend on wasteful projects downtown. That will help downtown because it will change public opinion. We have got to get the rest of Jacksonville to support downtown voluntarily, not by forcibly taking their money and wasting it on nonsense.
In a Hogan run city we'll be treated like the rest of the city, and we'll stop feeling entitled, and we'll stop feeling sorry for ourselves. I see this is a great day for Jacksonville and a great oppurtunity for downtown. It's going to take private money to get us out of this 'mess' downtown, not public money. In the pro-business climate of the Hogan administration it will be much easier to invest in and rebuild downtown.
We need to stop thinking we're so important. We need to stop thinking the rest of Jacksonville owes us. It's that kind of talk on our part that has isolated downtown, caused it to continue to decline, and most importantly handed Mike Hogan this election. Just as I told you it would last year.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
yes, big guy, we are well acquainted with your out of touch anti black, anti poor views. Youve made them all quite clear when you were talking about how great Rick Scott was. Thanks for that by the way.
Rick Scott is doing a heck of a job. Thank God he gave up that ridiculous Federal money for that wasteful rail project. He's in there making the tough calls that are going to get Florida headed back in the right direction.
Just as I predict Mike Hogan will be able to do for us here in Jacksonville.
Quoteand most importantly handed Mike Hogan this election.
Nice foreshadowing, but we shall see in a few hours. No matter who wins, there is not enough money in a budget to fix what ails downtown, and government is horrible at creating change, as we have seen. Anything with substance requires voters to pass it, BJP comes to mind or the tolls.
Face it, downtown did not throw up 2 Berkman buildings (one a lovely eye sore), and South bank high rises because the government gave them the capital to do so. So why would anything think that a mayor, either mayor, could do the same? How long has the JEA substation sat empty? How long has the Shipyards remained empty? If government were so efficient and in the development business others here believe it is in business for, we would have new buildings on the plots of land, instead of weeds. Face it all, there is not enough DEMAND to be downtown and builders know where they can get a better return on capital, go where there are people. Until you get more people downtown, jobs and commercial will not get better. No new people until the builders have access to cheaper less risky capital. Its all economics.
Quotehow great Rick Scott was
How about present tense, How great Rick Scott IS?!
Downtown is our best potential to improve the qol of the entire city not just it's residents. It also has the best roi potential in terms of tax revenue. When you consider 9b , collins road, atlantic blvd and on and on it is hard to make the case that an inordanant amount of our tax money has been spent on downtown. I follow the logic of your rationalizing to vote for more of the same but in the end it is flawed.
QuoteActually the government did. Elaine Brown, while on city council negotiated the tax breaks and incentives that made all of those buildings make financial sense to the builders.
Stephen, I am sure that with the tax breaks and Elaine Brown's white kid glove treatment of the developers, no one else was a factor in the building of the downtown condominiums. You had to have people willing to buy them, developers do not turn a shovel without a commitment, no matter how nice of incentives provided. So people had to choose to buy, to fund the rest of the project.
Sure government may have helped "grease the wheels", but government cannot make people buy and purchase properties. So why does JEA still sit empty of that were not the case?
QuoteIt also has the best roi potential in terms of tax revenue.
Of course it does, the buildings are empty.
If downtown were such a great deal for investors, do you really think they would snub their noses at money? Why invest money in downtown and not know if you can get your money back when you know you can with investments elsewhere in Jacksonville?
Do the people who invest in land and build buildings in town, really know less than the members on this board? Really?
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
yes, big guy, we are well acquainted with your out of touch anti black, anti poor views. Youve made them all quite clear when you were talking about how great Rick Scott was. Thanks for that by the way.
And Stephen, you can start in with the personal attacks all you want. It just shows you still have nothing intelligent to bring to the conversation.
I am not a racist. If I were, I'd live in a gated community in Ponte Vedra. I spend a lot of time in Hemming Plaza among the black community and even invited you to have lunch with me there.
I am against entitlements. I am against handouts. I am against big government 'fixing' problems people make for themselves. We are born equal, but after that we are on our own to make something out of ourselves.
Maybe you're the one who is 'anti-black' if you feel only African Americans are getting the entitlements and handouts I want to see cut.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
QuoteIt also has the best roi potential in terms of tax revenue.
Of course it does, the buildings are empty.
If downtown were such a great deal for investors, do you really think they would snub their noses at money? Why invest money in downtown and not know if you can get your money back when you know you can with investments elsewhere in Jacksonville?
Do the people who invest in land and build buildings in town, really know less than the members on this board? Really?
So we need to solve the problem not villify the area.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 17, 2011, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
QuoteIt also has the best roi potential in terms of tax revenue.
Of course it does, the buildings are empty.
If downtown were such a great deal for investors, do you really think they would snub their noses at money? Why invest money in downtown and not know if you can get your money back when you know you can with investments elsewhere in Jacksonville?
Do the people who invest in land and build buildings in town, really know less than the members on this board? Really?
So we need to solve the problem not villify the area.
The area has already been villified. Capitalism in a business-friendly environment will solve the problem, as it always does. Government needs to stay out of this. It can only make it worse.
Mtrain, Berkman Plaza was built originally as apartments, and not one lease was signed before construction started. The project was a 'pioneer' in every sense of the word, and would NOT have happened had the city not sweetened the deal with incentives. Same thing for 11E. and the Carling.
A different developer bought the Berkman project, and converted it to condos without one unit being pre-sold.
Basically, you don't know what you are talking about.
There probaly isn't one city that hasn't incentivized either residential or non-residential projects in an effort to revive it's Downtown. The only difference is most of them have been successful, and Jacksonville has not.
Investment in Downtown stopped when the city (Peyton Admninistrtaion) lost interest in continuing the path Austin/Delaney started. Plus, the economy tanked.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
yes, big guy, we are well acquainted with your out of touch anti black, anti poor views. Youve made them all quite clear when you were talking about how great Rick Scott was. Thanks for that by the way.
And Stephen, you can start in with the personal attacks all you want. It just shows you still have nothing intelligent to bring to the conversation.
I am not a racist. If I were, I'd live in a gated community in Ponte Vedra. I spend a lot of time in Hemming Plaza among the black community and even invited you to have lunch with me there.
I am against entitlements. I am against handouts. I am against big government 'fixing' problems people make for themselves. We are born equal, but after that we are on our own to make something out of ourselves.
Maybe you're the one who is 'anti-black' if you feel only African Americans are getting the entitlements and handouts I want to see cut.
Big Guy, didnt you quit this board? I rather though that we had banned you for the racist chatter.....
Youve already made your obnoxious views known, there was never any doubt that a tea bag transplant from new york was going to vote for whatever vile rightwinger ran for the job.
Frankly Im surprised that you are voting for Hogan, because hes a bit more decent of a human being than your normal choices. Wouldnt you be better off supporting Grady Warren? Or are you holding out for his presidential bid?
Trust me, that your endorsement doesnt help Hogan at all.
No Stephen. Never banned, never suspended. And I challenge you to find one thing in my post history that would have been worthy of either. I am a civilized, educated man and I do not make threats, use profanity, or use personal attacks.
to add to vic's statement, there was also another high-rise upscale condo planned for the southbank, VU. They were to break ground once The Peninsula was occupied, but the economy made their decision to back out really easy. As far as incentives, I don't have any inside scoop, but they were going to build in the open field by the school board.....
Any other "residents" of downtown feeling spoiled? This reads like hyper-partisan delusion. Who is this straw man candidate that is planning to raise taxes and redistribute money to downtown? Is it neither candidate? Just making sure. Brown's stance is simply more appropriate governance of downtown (it shouldn't be run the same as the suburbs). He has vowed not to raise taxes (what taxes really?). You don't seem to have read up on his platform.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
Capitalism in a business-friendly environment will solve the problem, as it always does.
Wow. Good point. I remember when capitalism rid the world of smallpox. and when capitalism put satellites in orbit so our phones would work, or when capitalism built power and gas lines so you could power your computer and heat your home. The government sucks!
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Trust me, that your endorsement doesnt help Hogan at all.
I just exploded into laughter after reading that.-Josh
What I dont understand is, who said that Alvin Brown was waste tax payers money on DT? Being that he never stated EXACTLY what his plans are, how can we put words in his mouth? He did not say he was going to approve million projects such as the Shipyards, etc etc. Creating a vibrant DT is not all about the money. And yes you are correct, getting our financial house in order will help DT, but we also need a leader who has a VISION for DT.
I never seen a city who does not care about their DT. And we wonder why everyone calls us country. An empty @ss DT seems pretty darn country to me. Its time for a new direction. Jacksonville is not some small hick town, it is a city and should be ran as such.
And I approve this message :P
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 17, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
What I dont understand is, who said that Alvin Brown was waste tax payers money on DT? Being that he never stated EXACTLY what his plans are, how can we put words in his mouth? He did not say he was going to approve million projects such as the Shipyards, etc etc. Creating a vibrant DT is not all about the money. And yes you are correct, getting our financial house in order will help DT, but we also need a leader who has a VISION for DT.
I never seen a city who does not care about their DT. And we wonder why everyone calls us country. An empty @ss DT seems pretty darn country to me. Its time for a new direction. Jacksonville is not some small hick town, it is a city and should be ran as such.
And I approve this message :P
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown. And the first part of the vision is getting people in the outlying areas to stop hating downtown. And the first part of this plan is to reassure them that there will be no more wasteful spending on downtown projects.
Like it or not, the Skyway is a huge wedge issue. People are angry out there, and Hogan is going to calm that anger. Then businesses will be able to step in and fix downtown, not politicians.
The election will of Mike Hogan will go along way towards strengthening Jacksonville as a whole, whereas an Alvin Brown election would have caused a great rift between the urban population and the suburban population.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 17, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
What I dont understand is, who said that Alvin Brown was waste tax payers money on DT?
My TV said so...
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 01:10:08 PM
As a downtown resident one would think I'd automatically be tossed in the column of Alvin Brown. However, I am convinced that Hogan is the right choice for downtown going forward.
Downtown is not the most important part of Jacksonville. Not while we only have 'about' 2,000 residents. Let's be clear on that. We're just one piece of the mosaic that is Jacksonville, and we shouldn't expect more than the other neighborhoods. It is that kind of arrogant thinking that has caused the outlying neighborhoods to become resentful of downtown.
Let's be clear. Downtown has been successfully used as a wedge issue in this campaign by the Hogan campaign and to great effect. All he had to do was throw up a picture of the Skyway next to a photo of Alvin Brown and he terrified and angered a large percentage of Jacksonville's population.
They're mad at us here downtown, and if Alvin Brown were elected Mayor and taken more of their money and spent it downtown ... the rest of Jacksonville would be coming for us with burning torches and pitchforks. It would have been terrible, and would have resulted in four years of further dividing downtown from the rest of Jacksonville.
Mike Hogan isn't going to reach into the pockets of the hardworking people of Jacksonville to spend on wasteful projects downtown. That will help downtown because it will change public opinion. We have got to get the rest of Jacksonville to support downtown voluntarily, not by forcibly taking their money and wasting it on nonsense.
In a Hogan run city we'll be treated like the rest of the city, and we'll stop feeling entitled, and we'll stop feeling sorry for ourselves. I see this is a great day for Jacksonville and a great oppurtunity for downtown. It's going to take private money to get us out of this 'mess' downtown, not public money. In the pro-business climate of the Hogan administration it will be much easier to invest in and rebuild downtown.
We need to stop thinking we're so important. We need to stop thinking the rest of Jacksonville owes us. It's that kind of talk on our part that has isolated downtown, caused it to continue to decline, and most importantly handed Mike Hogan this election. Just as I told you it would last year.
So you live downtown and are voting for Hogan?
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Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Quote from: Lunican on May 17, 2011, 02:55:22 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Tonight will be as big a victory for me, as it will for Mike Hogan.
Well, I hope you are right Big Guy. I dont really think many people are angry or hate issues when it comes to Downtown. Those ads made it seem that way, and to throw Alvin's picture up there with the Skyway and the Courthouse behind him, I thought was a key low point in the campaign. I live in Springfield and consider Downtown my neighborhood. It is where I work, grocery shop and go to church. I felt like those ads were attacking me!
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 17, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
What I dont understand is, who said that Alvin Brown was waste tax payers money on DT? Being that he never stated EXACTLY what his plans are, how can we put words in his mouth? He did not say he was going to approve million projects such as the Shipyards, etc etc. Creating a vibrant DT is not all about the money. And yes you are correct, getting our financial house in order will help DT, but we also need a leader who has a VISION for DT.
I never seen a city who does not care about their DT. And we wonder why everyone calls us country. An empty @ss DT seems pretty darn country to me. Its time for a new direction. Jacksonville is not some small hick town, it is a city and should be ran as such.
And I approve this message :P
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown. And the first part of the vision is getting people in the outlying areas to stop hating downtown. And the first part of this plan is to reassure them that there will be no more wasteful spending on downtown projects.
Like it or not, the Skyway is a huge wedge issue. People are angry out there, and Hogan is going to calm that anger. Then businesses will be able to step in and fix downtown, not politicians.
The election will of Mike Hogan will go along way towards strengthening Jacksonville as a whole, whereas an Alvin Brown election would have caused a great rift between the urban population and the suburban population.
Why in the blazing heck I do NOT hear this clearly from Hogan himself? I don't see ANYWHERE on his website 3-4 weeks ago. Oh wait, he realized that he is making that mistake, so he shove that "save downtown" up to his website and run by undecided voters at the last minute to maintain that saving grace.
What a shameful way of stealing Brown's thunder.-Josh
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown.
Yes he certainly does...
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Quote from: fsujax on May 17, 2011, 02:56:34 PM
Well, I hope you are right Big Guy. I dont really think many people are angry when it comes to Downtown. Those ads made it seem that way, and to throw Alvin's picture up there with the Skyway and the Courthouse behind him, I thought was a key low point in the campaign. I live in Springfield and consider Downtown my neighborhood. It is where I work, grocery shop and go to church. I felt like those ads were attacking me!
Well, I actually live deep within the urban core. I predicted those ads on MetroJacksonville months ago, and I cheered them. I've spent time working at the beaches, Mandarian, and yes ... outside the county in Orange Park. And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
So basically, Those who you support are just as guilty of doing the thing which you detest, only in reverse. Suburbanites have nothing good to say about downtown, but the pro-downtowners need to stop the hate?
Shenanigans.
FYI MODERATORS: Please do not delete these previous posts. They are hilarious! They make my happy dollies tingling!
-Josh
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 17, 2011, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown.
Yes he certainly does...
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Chilling. And prescient. Unless people vote to stop it.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
I've spoken with lazy urbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was good.
Quote from: Doctor_K on May 17, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
So basically, Those who you support are just as guilty of doing the thing which you detest, only in reverse. Suburbanites have nothing good to say about downtown, but the pro-downtowners need to stop the hate?
Shenanigans.
They have every right to be angry and resentful of downtown because of our sky train to nowhere and other wasteful spending. They have bills to pay, and children to feed, and their taxes are too high. When they see us tearing up Laura street and spending millions so we can have cobblestones in an interection? They get furious, and righly so.
Miken Hogan's going to see that such wasteful spending comes to an end and that will cause the rest of Jacksonville to calm in their attitudes towards downtown. Then we can go back to being one city again, instead of divided communities, and that will make for a stronger, more successful Jacksonville going into the future.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 17, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
What I dont understand is, who said that Alvin Brown was waste tax payers money on DT? Being that he never stated EXACTLY what his plans are, how can we put words in his mouth? He did not say he was going to approve million projects such as the Shipyards, etc etc. Creating a vibrant DT is not all about the money. And yes you are correct, getting our financial house in order will help DT, but we also need a leader who has a VISION for DT.
I never seen a city who does not care about their DT. And we wonder why everyone calls us country. An empty @ss DT seems pretty darn country to me. Its time for a new direction. Jacksonville is not some small hick town, it is a city and should be ran as such.
And I approve this message :P
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown. And the first part of the vision is getting people in the outlying areas to stop hating downtown. And the first part of this plan is to reassure them that there will be no more wasteful spending on downtown projects.
Like it or not, the Skyway is a huge wedge issue. People are angry out there, and Hogan is going to calm that anger. Then businesses will be able to step in and fix downtown, not politicians.
The election will of Mike Hogan will go along way towards strengthening Jacksonville as a whole, whereas an Alvin Brown election would have caused a great rift between the urban population and the suburban population.
no one is 'angry at downtown'. This is sheer moronic dribble.
Hogan's plan, according to sources is to let First Baptist handle the growth of downtown. That is not a plan.
The skyway is not a huge wedge issue. the majority of the city wants a working transit system.
Im sorry, Big Guy, but these claims you are making are imaginary.
You just cant get a real feel for the city from your office in orange park after being here for a year.
+1000. The problem is not the skyway, it is DT. JTA even stated they are willing to work with city about possiable expansion of the skyway, but DOWNTOWN HAS NO PLAN. The answer is not shutting it down, it about making it work. And igfwas concerned about money, he would realize how much we would have to pay to shut it down and would possiably jeporadize JTA from getting future funding. YEAH he sounds like the guy to me. Dt is already a ghost town, have an empty transit system just sitting around would add insult to injury.
Quote from: Jimmy on May 17, 2011, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 17, 2011, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown.
Yes he certainly does...
(http://livingintheneighbourhood.com/files/2008/09/wrecking-ball-small.jpg)
Chilling. And prescient. Unless people vote to stop it.
It is private entites like Vestor and Farah and Farah saving historic downtown structures and giving them new life. Not government. In a Hogan administration, this trend will continue.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: Doctor_K on May 17, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
So basically, Those who you support are just as guilty of doing the thing which you detest, only in reverse. Suburbanites have nothing good to say about downtown, but the pro-downtowners need to stop the hate?
Shenanigans.
They have every right to be angry and resentful of downtown because of our sky train to nowhere and other wasteful spending. They have bills to pay, and children to feed, and their taxes are too high. When they see us tearing up Laura street and spending millions so we can have cobblestones in an interection? They get furious, and righly so.
Miken Hogan's going to see that such wasteful spending comes to an end and that will cause the rest of Jacksonville to calm in their attitudes towards downtown. Then we can go back to being one city again, instead of divided communities, and that will make for a stronger, more successful Jacksonville going into the future.
Uh.... sir -raise index finger up- That metaphor is like the same thing as someone shoving a bible down your throat.
-Josh
Our skytrain to nowhere has the highest ridership statistics in the whole of JTA's network. it's been proven time and again by practically anyone who takes 5 minutes to figure it out for themselves.
This is the problem, after all. An uninformed electorate. Or a religious zealot. Heavy on rhetoric, lacking in substance.
I believe Vestcor got help from the City. Now there have been others who have done it by themseleves like Perdue Office Interiors and Farah and Farah.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on May 17, 2011, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 17, 2011, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Mike Hogan does have a vision for downtown.
Yes he certainly does...
(http://livingintheneighbourhood.com/files/2008/09/wrecking-ball-small.jpg)
Chilling. And prescient. Unless people vote to stop it.
It is private entites like Vestor and Farah and Farah saving historic downtown structures and giving them new life. Not government. In a Hogan administration, this trend will continue.
Ah. So you mean that Hogan promises to give 25 million dollars more to Vestcor? Plus the tax breaks that made the vestcor projects viable?
Doesnt sound like you know what the hell you are talking about. Still.
Taxes are killing this state and this county. I am against tax breaks whenever possible. It's always best when indivudals and corporations are allowed to manage their own money rather than hand them over to the government for some 'greater good.' If government would get out of the way, downtown would rebuild a lot easier.
Why should anyone listen to a person that lies for a living?
Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Quote from: Doctor_K on May 17, 2011, 03:06:45 PM
Our skytrain to nowhere has the highest ridership statistics in the whole of JTA's network. it's been proven time and again by practically anyone who takes 5 minutes to figure it out for themselves.
This is the problem, after all. An uninformed electorate. Or a religious zealot. Heavy on rhetoric, lacking in substance.
I use the Skyway. On every occasion but one I have had the entire car to myself. On the bus, I have sometimes been unable to find a seat and had to stand.
I do not drive. I rely solely on the JTA. What you're claiming does not go along with what my experience using the transit system heavily has shown me.
Is that even true? No one knows.
Quote from: Lunican on May 17, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
Why should anyone listen to a person that lies for a living?
Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Well that's called politics. It's the game.
Learn to play it. Maybe you'll win the next election.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
yes, big guy, we are well acquainted with your out of touch anti black, anti poor views. Youve made them all quite clear when you were talking about how great Rick Scott was. Thanks for that by the way.
And Stephen, you can start in with the personal attacks all you want. It just shows you still have nothing intelligent to bring to the conversation.
I am not a racist. If I were, I'd live in a gated community in Ponte Vedra. I spend a lot of time in Hemming Plaza among the black community and even invited you to have lunch with me there.
I am against entitlements. I am against handouts. I am against big government 'fixing' problems people make for themselves. We are born equal, but after that we are on our own to make something out of ourselves.
Maybe you're the one who is 'anti-black' if you feel only African Americans are getting the entitlements and handouts I want to see cut.
Big Guy, didnt you quit this board? I rather though that we had banned you for the racist chatter.....
Youve already made your obnoxious views known, there was never any doubt that a tea bag transplant from new york was going to vote for whatever vile rightwinger ran for the job.
Frankly Im surprised that you are voting for Hogan, because hes a bit more decent of a human being than your normal choices. Wouldnt you be better off supporting Grady Warren? Or are you holding out for his presidential bid?
Trust me, that your endorsement doesnt help Hogan at all.
No Stephen. Never banned, never suspended. And I challenge you to find one thing in my post history that would have been worthy of either. I am a civilized, educated man and I do not make threats, use profanity, or use personal attacks.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on July 16, 2010, 11:21:07 PM
It sounds all well and good, but then you get a few homeless in there trying to take a bath and then all of a sudden you get a few floating #2s and well... you get the picture.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 12, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Can't we just round up these people and send them over to Iraq and Afghanistan
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 14, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
What do we do with that group? I'll tell you exactly what we do with them ... nothing. We turn our backs on them. We cast them out from society. There is a growing sense in this country that those who have are responsible for those who have not. Thankfully we have just elected a Governor who does not subscribe to such foolishness. They have no motivation to change their lives as long as there are bleeding hearts feeding them, clothing them, and handing them drug money.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 14, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
I live here. I have to walk these streets at night. It's not fair for anyone who doesn't live where I live to tell me I should be compassionate when these people want to rob me for crack.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 14, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
The problem isn't where the social services are, it's the fact that they even exist. Let them freeze. Let them starve. Maybe then they'd have some motivation to do something but harrass and rob people so they can buy crack.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 14, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
New York had the sense and the courage to drive them out like the rats that they are.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 14, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
If you feed one bird ... the next thing you know you got 100 birds showing up, making noise, begging for food, and pooping all over the place.
If you feed/hand out one vagrant ... the same thing happens, only it's a lot messier.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on June 11, 2010, 08:31:59 PM
I was there today. I got asked for change, as usual. Saw a lot of police and a lot of vagrants...Just glad my pockets weren't jingling or I'd be a gonner.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on November 15, 2010, 09:27:54 PM
Social darwinism. For every winner in life, there is a loser. Just because I won doesn't mean I have to turn around and help those who lost. We are not all created equal. That is the biggest spoonful of garbage we are fed from the moment we enter pre-school.
My goodness, Hogan must be
thrilled to have your endorsement!
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 17, 2011, 03:15:31 PMMy goodness, Hogan must be thrilled to have your endorsement!
I'm sure he is. The champagne is already on ice. About four hours before we celebrate. Going to be a heck of a night.
I live in Oakleaf own a business in Murry Hill and can confirm BigGuy is delusional. The only reason Hogan may get elected is the R on the ticket. There is no hate for downtown. People think we spent to much on the courthouse and skyway but those issues do not prevent people from coming downtown. This city enjoys the Jags, the Jazz fest, the Landing, the art walk, world of nations and on and on. There is no hate for downtown some apathy but mostly just a feeling we could do better. BTW I am sure they mean better without raising taxes. Given the way we spend money on our sprawl it would be hard to argue we spend too much on downtown.
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
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Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
And I've spoken with the hardworking suburbanites and all they've had to say about downtown was bad.
So basically, Those who you support are just as guilty of doing the thing which you detest, only in reverse. Suburbanites have nothing good to say about downtown, but the pro-downtowners need to stop the hate?
Shenanigans.
They have every right to be angry and resentful of downtown because of our sky train to nowhere and other wasteful spending. They have bills to pay, and children to feed, and their taxes are too high. When they see us tearing up Laura street and spending millions so we can have cobblestones in an interection? They get furious, and righly so.
Miken Hogan's going to see that such wasteful spending comes to an end and that will cause the rest of Jacksonville to calm in their attitudes towards downtown. Then we can go back to being one city again, instead of divided communities, and that will make for a stronger, more successful Jacksonville going into the future.
You have managed to get it 180-degrees backwards.
Historically, downtown and the urban areas constitute the tax base that has been tapped to fund sprawl, not vice-versa. What downtown consumes, it has until very recently always generated. It was finally taken down by the sprawl its tax revenue was misappropriated to fund. The suburbs didn't fund downtown, BigGuy, it's the diametric opposite of your viewpoint.
I think he knows that but does not care.
hope you are not planning on drinking that champagne at Hogans party. No alcohol.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2011, 03:04:19 PM
I spoke to a bunch of hippotpotamus trainers in the Congo, and they told me that Big Guy is really Zsa Zsa Gabor!
So I guess congrats are in order.
Quotehope you are not planning on drinking that champagne at Hogans party. No alcohol.
Yeah, the ABC Liquor store is a few steps away. I am sure they will do a nice business tonight, either way!
I might regret getting involved in this discussion, but there is too much incorrect and unsubstantiated drivel being put up by BigGuy for me to ignore it anymore. Frankly, there are too many things that BigGuy (who feels the need to compensate for his remarkably Short-comings even in his pseudonym) is saying that I could tear to shreds, but he doesn't care about being truthful or accurate. According to him, he is a master manipulator who hoodwinks the masses and reaps the benefits. He is extremely successful at this, which is why, again according to himself, he has "made it". Yet, out of some extreme sense of altruism, he rides only JTA for his transportation and sits with "the black people" in Hemming Plaza. It is this same sense of altruism that wants to send all of our homeless over to Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's just my guess.
So lets take one of his self admitted falsehoods and put it to task.
QuoteMike Hogan does have a vision for downtown. And the first part of the vision is getting people in the outlying areas to stop hating downtown. And the first part of this plan is to reassure them that there will be no more wasteful spending on downtown projects.
First off; No, Mike Hogan has no vision for downtown. He has explicitly stated this.
Second; While I've already pointed out there is no vision, lets continue. Nobody really believes that anyone
hates downtown. Not even Mike Hogan. If they did, there's no way any mayor (especially not Hogan) could convince them otherwise. This is ridiculous logic.
Third: Mike Hogan couldn't even assure Mike Hogan of anything, why do you think he refuses to debate? The minute he starts to speak on a subject, he realizes he knows nothing. His stay silent to keep reasonable doubt campaign has worked wonders.
Fourth: Mike Hogan wanted to spend $90,000 of taxpayer money so that his brothers football team could go to Russia. He is the most self serving people I've ever seen. He will spend money on downtown if it suits his interest. His three biggest supporters were FBC, the Police and Firemen, and Toney Sleiman. All three of them are downtown and all three of them are going to be looking for their cut of the spoils after they've pulled one over on the city of Jax. He will spend downtown until there are no more checks to sign. He'll do it because he believes we're idiots. His entire campaign is based on that.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
Quotehope you are not planning on drinking that champagne at Hogans party. No alcohol.
Yeah, the ABC Liquor store is a few steps away. I am sure they will do a nice business tonight, either way!
I continue to find common ground with you.
After perusing some of the threads here and on jacksonville.com, I think I might've found why indeed the title of the thread might ring true after all.
No Muslims in downtown.
Or abortion clinics.
Man, I hope Hogan doesn't win... I just submitted my business plan to the investors for my one-stop "Abortions, burkas, liquor, and "tobacco" accessory store."
He will still be lurking about dreaming of explosives.
hehe.. o my.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 17, 2011, 03:43:02 PM
Frankly, there are too many things that BigGuy (who feels the need to compensate for his remarkably Short-comings even in his pseudonym) is saying that I could tear to shreds, but he doesn't care about being truthful or accurate. According to him, he is a master manipulator who hoodwinks the masses and reaps the benefits. He is extremely successful at this, which is why, again according to himself, he has "made it". Yet, out of some extreme sense of altruism, he rides only JTA for his transportation and sits with "the black people" in Hemming Plaza. It is this same sense of altruism that wants to send all of our homeless over to Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's just my guess.
Watch it, you know he can control your thoughts right?
I only clicked on this thread just to see if this was a joke. I'm leaving baffled yet amused.
I think that is why Mike Hogan would check it.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 17, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
I think that is why Mike Hogan would check it.
ZING!
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: Lunican on May 17, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
Why should anyone listen to a person that lies for a living?
Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Well that's called politics. It's the game.
Learn to play it. Maybe you'll win the next election.
Thank you for imparting your wisdom upon us.
Quote from: Lunican on May 19, 2011, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: BigGuy219 on May 17, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: Lunican on May 17, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
Why should anyone listen to a person that lies for a living?
Quote from: BigGuy219 on December 05, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
What is factually true and accurate is irrelevant. What people believe is the only thing that matters. And I take a particular sense of joy each time I make someone believe something that isn't so. It keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly.
I'm not debating your facts, or your statistics, because I don't have to. I'm not brining my own facts and statistics, because I don't need any. I know how to read a situation and prey upon sterotypes, false beliefs, and exploit it as good as anyone.
Well that's called politics. It's the game.
Learn to play it. Maybe you'll win the next election.
Thank you for imparting your wisdom upon us.
Yes, BigGuy's prognotications turned out swimmingly for him, didn't they?
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