The draft is over. We got a QB... looks like a good one too. What about the draft overall? You have had a couple days to analyze and contemplate the Jags picks... What do you think?
Here is Bleacher report...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/687532-2011-nfl-draft-results-which-teams-got-the-biggest-boost-from-late-round-picks/entry/77275-2011-nfl-draft-grades-grading-the-2011-draft-class-of-the-new-york-giants
QuoteThe Jacksonville jaguars saw their chance to get a franchise quarterback and jumped at it. Somehow Blaine Gabbert fell all the way to No. 10, and in a bizarre move the Redskins didn't pick him but instead traded back six spots with the Jaguars.
Blaine Gabbert may be bummed he fell to No. 10, but in reality he should be thrilled. He can sit behind David Garrard for a year and learn the NFL system. He isn't ready to start right away, and after a year or two of development the Jaguars will be in great position to make a run in the AFC South with Gabbert leading the way.
Besides that it wasn't much of an impressive draft for the Jaguars. They didn't have a second round pick because of the trade, but in the third round they drafted William Rackley, an offensive guard from Lehigh. It's a good pick, but it doesn't fill a pressing need. Cecil Shorts from Mount Union offers skills at the return position, but he isn't going to be an outstanding receiver.
Grade: C-
The Jaguars took the risk on Blaine Gabbert. They're hoping he turns into their franchise quarterback, but if he busts then this draft will be a dead one. Jacksonville didn't fill their biggest need on the defensive line.
They lacked a strong pass rusher in 2010, and once again that will be an issue for the Jaguars. When you have to face Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub twice a year you must get consistent pressure on the quarterback.
I think the draft was great. We didnt address all of our defensive needs, but we still have free agency. I am VERY happy we drafted a QB. The opportunity presented its self and we took advantage of it. We would have been a fool not to. Gene Smith is very smart and is doing an excellent job. IMO, he is truely building a championship team little by little. Great guy
If Gabbart is the guy we think he is, then this draft will be a success. If not?
I'm happy for the interior lineman - don't know anything about him, but we have our tackles, Meester is old, Uche had a great year, so if this kid can live up to a 3rd round pick, then he should be able to clear the inside for Mojo.
I'm also curious about our later picks, S & CB - both guys from smaller schools - but both were captains of their respective teams. I don't worry about Reggie Nelson type busts, but more-so of a Derrick Cox learning curve. I don't think their impact will truly be felt until the end of the season or on into next year.
Lastly, we're talking about free agency, but the real skill from GMGene will be the undrafted FA - expect us to grab 4-6 players once it starts - the good thing about the lockout is that the scouts are in the film room now doing their due diligence on the draftees that are left. Don't expect any big names to be signed. We'll probably bring back Morrison on a short term deal and possibly Durant, but I wouldn't expect anything other than that.
When teams draft for need, they run into trouble. The teams that compete year in and year out, almost always draft for value. Pittsburgh, New England, Baltimore, Green Bay, NY Giants, San Diego. It isn't a coincidence these teams are always near the top of the league.
I heard Pete Prisco argue the other day that Gabbert should start from day one. I disagree. He would have to be an immediate improvement over Garrard for me to agree with that. Having Garrard is a luxury. Gabbert can learn in the film room, practice field, and sideline for a year... unless Garrard gets hurt of course...
As long as the team is in contention, Garrard should be the starter. I'd even say if McCown is healthy, to let Gabbert be third string. Especially with the lost time due to the lockout, this year's rookies are going to be behind where most rookies would be.
Believe it or not, we CAN win with Garrard. It makes it really tough when our defense is allowing 24+ points a game. Gabbart came from a spread O, so he's going to require some time to learn how to play from under center. I agree with CF that he needs to be 3rd QB at least for the next season. Give him a chance to adapt to the speed of this game on the practice field.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 03, 2011, 08:58:24 AM
Believe it or not, we CAN win with Garrard. It makes it really tough when our defense is allowing 24+ points a game. Gabbart came from a spread O, so he's going to require some time to learn how to play from under center. I agree with CF that he needs to be 3rd QB at least for the next season. Give him a chance to adapt to the speed of this game on the practice field.
I agree. I sure would have liked to have seen the Jags trade down in later rounds to pick up players.
I don't think that it's a big deal trading down for more picks - once you're in the late 4th round, eveything is about the same. I like what we gave up for a chance on Gabbert - only a 2nd round pick. As active as we are during the season, grabbing guys from practice squads and assigning guys to our practice squad, I don't think we'll have a problem hitting on 1 or 2 late-comers that will actually play for the team.
I absolutely agree with the trade up for Gabbert. I wonder about the other guys drafted and their impact on the team this year. If Gabbert is not a starter this year... then who are the others that will be contributing on anything other than special teams?
I agree guys. We can win with Garrad, but lets be honest. He was at his best in 2007 and hasnt shown us anything since. He gave us flashes this season, but thats about it. Our losses last season is between him and the defense. But whats amazing me is that last year we were screaming for a quarterback, and now everyone everyone is saying, " We can win with Garrad." Garrad is inconsitent and he is getting old. We need to draft a young quarter back. PERIOD. QB is one position that CAN NOT be ignored. And yes, out defensive needs more help to. But theres still time.
John Clayton sez...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6464611
Quote1. QB issues remain: A dozen teams entered the draft with perceived quarterback needs, but only six really resolved them in the first two rounds. The first-round selections by the Panthers (Cam Newton), Titans (Locker) and Vikings (Ponder) addressed those teams' issues. The fact that the Titans and Vikings used high first-round selections on QBs is probably bad news for the Philadelphia Eagles (trying to trade Kevin Kolb), Matt Hasselbeck and Donovan McNabb, because the price and commitment of getting those quarterbacks will make trades difficult.
The Jaguars hit the lottery when Blaine Gabbert slipped slightly and they were able to trade up to the No. 10 spot to get him. In San Francisco, second-round pick Colin Kaepernick is the long-term option -- not the short-term option -- for coach Jim Harbaugh; Alex Smith is expected to be the quarterback this year. Andy Dalton is Marvin Lewis' quarterback in Cincinnati at the cost of only a second-round pick.
We were screaming for a QB - We got one.
We CAN win with Garrard - That isn't the same as feeling all rosy saying we WILL win with Garrard.
Had we not been able to get Gabbert - we probably would have gone with Kerrigan and then another D player in Rnd 2. Remember, he was projected as a top 5.
I'm also one of those fans who doesn't scream for a new head coach after back to back crumblings in the last 4-5 games. IMO, even if we had Lombardi on the sideline - we still have the same players on the field. Call it what it really is - Re-building. We were fortunate to be in the hunt at the end of the year, but injuries hurt us. Why? We don't have the depth of a Packers team because of so many years of poor drafting. This is the year that we should start to show dividends. We grade the '08 class this year, and every Gene class after that. I thnk you'll see progress.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 03, 2011, 09:47:07 AM
We were screaming for a QB - We got one.
We CAN win with Garrard - That isn't the same as feeling all rosy saying we WILL win with Garrard.
Had we not been able to get Gabbert - we probably would have gone with Kerrigan and then another D player in Rnd 2. Remember, he was projected as a top 5.
I'm also one of those fans who doesn't scream for a new head coach after back to back crumblings in the last 4-5 games. IMO, even if we had Lombardi on the sideline - we still have the same players on the field. Call it what it really is - Re-building. We were fortunate to be in the hunt at the end of the year, but injuries hurt us. Why? We don't have the depth of a Packers team because of so many years of poor drafting. This is the year that we should start to show dividends. We grade the '08 class this year, and every Gene class after that. I thnk you'll see progress.
Ok I got you now :) We are well on our way to success. It was rocky last year, but we actually played very good. With Mojo's knee giving out, Garrads finger, and our defense falling asleep really killed any hopes of making the playoffs. It was very heartbreaking. We just had a streak of bad luck. But things will happen when its our time. Were in the right direction.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 03, 2011, 08:03:08 AM
The draft is over. We got a QB... looks like a good one too. What about the draft overall? You have had a couple days to analyze and contemplate the Jags picks... What do you think?
Here is Bleacher report...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/687532-2011-nfl-draft-results-which-teams-got-the-biggest-boost-from-late-round-picks/entry/77275-2011-nfl-draft-grades-grading-the-2011-draft-class-of-the-new-york-giants
QuoteThe Jacksonville jaguars saw their chance to get a franchise quarterback and jumped at it. Somehow Blaine Gabbert fell all the way to No. 10, and in a bizarre move the Redskins didn't pick him but instead traded back six spots with the Jaguars.
Blaine Gabbert may be bummed he fell to No. 10, but in reality he should be thrilled. He can sit behind David Garrard for a year and learn the NFL system. He isn't ready to start right away, and after a year or two of development the Jaguars will be in great position to make a run in the AFC South with Gabbert leading the way.
Besides that it wasn't much of an impressive draft for the Jaguars. They didn't have a second round pick because of the trade, but in the third round they drafted William Rackley, an offensive guard from Lehigh. It's a good pick, but it doesn't fill a pressing need. Cecil Shorts from Mount Union offers skills at the return position, but he isn't going to be an outstanding receiver.
Grade: C-
The Jaguars took the risk on Blaine Gabbert. They're hoping he turns into their franchise quarterback, but if he busts then this draft will be a dead one. Jacksonville didn't fill their biggest need on the defensive line.
They lacked a strong pass rusher in 2010, and once again that will be an issue for the Jaguars. When you have to face Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub twice a year you must get consistent pressure on the quarterback.
This is the problem with the 24/7 sports media machine. Some outlets like Bleacher Report give poor grades and harsh criticism of a team’s draft and people actually buy this shit? BR is a fan site... which really doesn't matter anyways because even the so called experts like Mel Kiper Jr have no validity either.
From the fan sites all the way to ESPN. These talking heads have nothing but their mouth.
They aren't invited to the combine.
They don't have coaches tape.
They don't have a team of scouts
They aren't at Pro Days
They don't interview players
They survive on rumor... hear-say. When a team like the Jags pick’s a guy like Cecil Shorts III- I trust they have done the due diligence on him... how the hell else do you even draft a guy out of Mount Union?
The absolute best part is when these 'experts' are wrong... and they always are... you never hear them own up to it! Last year Gene was crucified over the Alualu pick... 6 months later the analysts raved about it! ESPN even put out a redraft showing he was picked right where he belonged.
If these guys were really that good at evaluating talent then whey would be on an NFL teams payroll.
:D Oh I agree Shwaz... but that is the fun of it. Pitting our ignorant opinions against the intelligentsia of the sporting news world and the professionals in the business.... stir the pot and discuss some more... :D
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 03, 2011, 01:40:33 PM
:D Oh I agree Shwaz... but that is the fun of it. Pitting our ignorant opinions against the intelligentsia of the sporting news world and the professionals in the business.... stir the pot and discuss some more... :D
I honestly hate it. Maybe I wouldn't if ticket sales weren't so tightly weaved into the opinion of personnel and team direction. I wonder how many people were turned off by the Alualu pick based on 'expert' analysis which lead them to canceling or not purchasing season tickets?
You're so right, BT!!!!!
So I went and got 'The Real Scoop' from the only true source for all infallible information allowed here on MetroJacksonville. Enjoy. :D ::) ::)
Quotehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110429/fbn-nfl-draft-jaguars/
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. â€" Jacksonville's defense isn't getting the makeover everyone expected.
Instead, the Jaguars have used four picks to get two eventual offensive starters in the NFL draft.
The Jaguars traded up four spots and chose guard Will Rackley in the third round Friday night, the team's first selection since trading up to grab quarterback Blaine Gabbert with the 10th pick in the first round.
Jacksonville gave up its second-round pick to move up six spots and get Gabbert. The team gave up its sixth-round pick (No. 182 overall) to swap third-round spots with San Francisco and select Rackley with the 76th pick.
A four-year starter at Lehigh, Rackley played left tackle the last three years. He likely will play guard or center for the Jaguars.
Sorry - At some point more and more people are going to regard Gene Smith as self indulgent rather than a genius. We're led to believe that he is some sort of mastermind by selecting obscure talent from 2nd tier schools. I'm still trying to determine who our diamonds in the rough have been based on his criteria (?). While drafted a bit early (arguably), Alualu was a big time talent from a bona fide program - so throw him out of the equation. Seems to me that most of these guys (maybe not all) were probably available in later rounds or even free agency. It's easy to second guess & play armchair QB, but in hindsight, the last 2 years have shown that there was opportunity to get creative & possibly parlay these picks into higher yield and substance.
So you're saying to trade back from the 3rd and 4th rounds and pick up even more obscure talent in rounds 5-7?
I'm saying that Gene Smith is one man. Regardless of what people may think about other so-called experts/analysts & draft board rankings - collectively, I put more stock in the opinions of the masses. There's a reason that many of these players don't play D-I ball. I'd rather roll the dice & hope to bring some of these guys in post draft/free agency rather than use a 3rd or 4th round pick. I have more of a comfort level with a "good" player from a top tier program rather than a "great" player from a 2nd tier program/conference/league. Just my opinion. That said, while there have been many examples of players that have panned out historically, the odds are stacked - and to constantly select from this talent pool seems disproportionate.
Gene Smith is one man...... in charge of a team of 11 scouts and personel directors that are in charge of finding talent for the jaguars.
You can't take the talking heads seriously because all they're in for are ratings. The pick the best player to fit a team's need at the time. How long was Aaron Rodgers on the bench before he won a superbowl? 3 years. He didn't start a game for 3 years, behind Brett Favre, and look at him now. The Packers picked him up somewhere near the bottom of the first round - not because they needed a QB at the time, but because he was the best player that GB had targeted.
The question that you have to ask yourself is why would a kid go to USF instead of UF? Maybe it's because he wants to play right away and not ride the bench - and not as much of that has to do with talent as it does with other things.
in '94 I walked on the Clemson golf team, was 8th of 18 during the summer schedule that we played, but was ultimately told to try again next year - 3 of the people I had beaten ended up on the team, which fielded 10 golfers. I could have gone to a junior college, but I didn't go to school for golf. Meaning I was pretty good, but not elite.
So, long story short - I trust the 11 scouts and Gene a whole hell of a lot more in evaluating talent than any talking head. The heads only focus on the big-named school players and scouting teams are focused on the players.
QuoteGene Smith is one man...... in charge of a team of 11 scouts and personnel directors that are in charge of finding talent for the jaguars.
And there are
(31 x (~12 staff) = 372) remaining teams/bodies in the NFL with the same task that also don't subscribe to that logic.
It just gets tiresome reaching for players every season. Has it panned out? We've been the poster child for mediocrity for a decade - a whole new generation. I do respect the reasons (yourself included) that players choose smaller programs/paths, however, it doesn't take away from the perception that the Jaguars' philosophy appears one sided. Some of the greatest have come from small schools, however, not most of the greatest. They are the exception to the rule.
Well just for arguments sake - look at the last draft from the Shack Harris Era and let me know how those 'big school' players are doing today.
1 8 8 Derrick Harvey Defensive End Florida
2 21 52 Quentin Groves Defensive End Auburn
5 20 155 Thomas Williams Linebacker USC
5 24 159 Trae Williams Cornerback South Florida
7 6 213 Chauncey Washington Running Back USC
Quote from: blizz01 on May 03, 2011, 03:41:14 PM
QuoteGene Smith is one man...... in charge of a team of 11 scouts and personnel directors that are in charge of finding talent for the jaguars.
And there are (31 x (~12 staff) = 372) remaining teams/bodies in the NFL with the same task that also don't subscribe to that logic.
It just gets tiresome reaching for players every season. Has it panned out? We've been the poster child for mediocrity for a decade - a whole new generation. I do respect the reasons (yourself included) that players choose smaller programs/paths, however, it doesn't take away from the perception that the Jaguars' philosophy appears one sided. Some of the greatest have come from small schools, however, not most of the greatest. They are the exception to the rule.
Blizz your outlook is both flawed and short sighted. Plenty of the other 31 teams draft the best available player regardless of school, division or conference.
Blaming GM Gene for the last 10 years is a little off. He's been a GM now for 2 years and this is his 3rd draft. I think we've found some real gems even in the short time frame.
Terrance Knighton (Temple)
Derek Cox (William & Mary)
Deji Karim (Southern Illinois)
Mike Thomas (Arizona)
Eben Britton (Arizona)
I think you'll find a mix of players from D-1 through D-3... regardless they're all starters and doing pretty well for 1-2 years removed from the college ranks.
All of Gene Smith's first round picks have been from BCS league teams. So were Tiquan Underwood, Eben Britton and Mike Thomas from his first draft class. He has picked players from non-BCS leagues. Terrance Knighton, Jarrett Dillard, D'Anthony Smith, Chris Prosinski and Rod Issac. But they still played D1A football. And it's not as if the players that came from D1AA and lower (Rashad Jennings, Zach Miller, Austen Lane, Deji Karim) haven't contributed. As a matter of fact all look like potential playmakers.
He took Will Rackley in the third round this year and Cecil Shorts in the fourth round. Look at their pre-draft grades from most scouting services. They were taken right where they were projected.
So, whats the issue? From hearing people around town it seems the main issue is they don't take enough players from SEC schools.
In the Super Bowl, the Packers had starters from Louisiana Tech, Bethune Cookman, Central Michigan, UTEP, East Carolina, Western Michigan, Boise State, Buffalo, San Jose State, Alcorn State and UCF. So half of their starters were from what people in this town would consider "small schools".
But Copper how can this be? They never played on the 'national stage' or in the 'big spot light' or in the 'largest outdoor cocktail party'?
OK OK OK - good arguments/case in point....Although I'm not sure where everything derailed & took an SEC homer slant - I didn't offer that up (5 of the top 10 were from the SEC, though; and the SEC did produce the most players selected). ;)
Quote from: blizz01 on May 03, 2011, 04:38:44 PM
OK OK OK - good arguments/case in point....Although I'm not sure where everything derailed & took an SEC homer slant - I didn't offer that up (5 of the top 10 were from the SEC, though; and the SEC did produce the most players selected). ;)
The SEC homer mentality seems pretty prevalent amidst a certain element of the Jaguar fan base. E.g., the ones who claim even Monroe and Alualu came from "small schools." Not that you were offering that up, but a fair number of those disgruntled with Gene seem primarily distraught over a lack of SEC draft picks. Or specifically, Florida. Or more specifically, Tebow.
It all comes back to Tebow I think. I also think there are members of the local media (Frank Frangie, Sam Kouvaris) that banged the drum so loudly for Tebow that they cannot objectively talk about Gene Smith any longer. Former T-U columnist Mike Bianchi was probably the biggest proponent of Tebow to the Jags. No surprise that he wrote a column in the Orlando Sentinel over the weekend blasting the Gabbert pick. So much for objectivity.
You forgot Frennette.
Could you post the Bianchi column, I couldn't find it?
Here's a quick piece from this mornings AFC South blog
QuoteI am, by nature, impatient.
Of course, I understand some good things take time. And some of those good things are NFL prospects as they turn into NFL players. When you see something in a guy, when you make an investment in him, you have to allow him sufficient time to turn into what you believe he can be.
But there is also the thin-slicing concept from Malcolm Gladwell we’ve discussed a bit here that says a quick initial impression is typically telling.
This line from Jaguars general manager Gene Smith brings that broadly into play for rookies. Within a month, a young player can put himself in one of two categories.
"In three or four games, the player should show you things that make him a prospect. If he doesn't, he becomes a suspect."
If I’m a player, I blow that up, cut it out and paste it somewhere I see it on a daily basis. I ponder it before and after workouts, knowing while I’ll get some time from my team, I need to bust it to be sure not to become suspect.
I hope we can hold on to GM Gene as long as possible... it's not going to be long before big teams come knocking at the door with big money in hand.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 04, 2011, 10:19:27 AM
You forgot Frennette.
Could you post the Bianchi column, I couldn't find it?
QuoteThe Jacksonville Jaguars baffle me. Last year, they passed on hometown hero Tim Tebow as their quarterback and then Thursday took Missouri's Blain Gabbert, who also ran the spread offense in college, as their quarterback of the future in this year's draft. And, another thing, why would they take Gabbert ahead of Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder, who went two picks later to the Minnesota Vikings? Man, Jags GM Gene Smith better be right. If Tebow or Ponder turn into something and Gabbert flops, the Jacksonville Jaguars may be the L.A. Jaguars sooner than we think. …
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-04-30/sports/os-bianchi-saturday-circus-0430-20110429_1_magic-fans-muschamp-hedo-turkoglu
Thanks.
Typical homer speak. He must still have a chip on his shoulder from the time that God made him 5-4 with a nasally voice. He fits right in at the magic kingdom - just give him some wooden shoes, a pointy hat and a cobbler's hammer.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 04, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
Thanks.
Typical homer speak. He must still have a chip on his shoulder from the time that God made him 5-4 with a nasally voice. He fits right in at the magic kingdom - just give him some wooden shoes, a pointy hat and a cobbler's hammer.
:D
Quote from: Shwaz on May 04, 2011, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 04, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
Thanks.
Typical homer speak. He must still have a chip on his shoulder from the time that God made him 5-4 with a nasally voice. He fits right in at the magic kingdom - just give him some wooden shoes, a pointy hat and a cobbler's hammer.
:D
:D :D :D
Quote from: copperfiend on May 04, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 04, 2011, 10:19:27 AM
You forgot Frennette.
Could you post the Bianchi column, I couldn't find it?
QuoteThe Jacksonville Jaguars baffle me. Last year, they passed on hometown hero Tim Tebow as their quarterback and then Thursday took Missouri's Blain Gabbert, who also ran the spread offense in college, as their quarterback of the future in this year's draft. And, another thing, why would they take Gabbert ahead of Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder, who went two picks later to the Minnesota Vikings? Man, Jags GM Gene Smith better be right. If Tebow or Ponder turn into something and Gabbert flops, the Jacksonville Jaguars may be the L.A. Jaguars sooner than we think. …
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-04-30/sports/os-bianchi-saturday-circus-0430-20110429_1_magic-fans-muschamp-hedo-turkoglu
The column tickles me. Im sorry, Tebow was the bomb in college, however I dont think he is NFL material. I dont regret us not drafting Tebow or Christian Ponder. I feel that Gabbert is the right fit for us. Also, please let the LA Jag thing go. As soon as you think its dead, some columnist digs it up. Find something else to talk about.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 04, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on May 04, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 04, 2011, 10:19:27 AM
You forgot Frennette.
Could you post the Bianchi column, I couldn't find it?
QuoteThe Jacksonville Jaguars baffle me. Last year, they passed on hometown hero Tim Tebow as their quarterback and then Thursday took Missouri's Blain Gabbert, who also ran the spread offense in college, as their quarterback of the future in this year's draft. And, another thing, why would they take Gabbert ahead of Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder, who went two picks later to the Minnesota Vikings? Man, Jags GM Gene Smith better be right. If Tebow or Ponder turn into something and Gabbert flops, the Jacksonville Jaguars may be the L.A. Jaguars sooner than we think. …
The column tickles me. Im sorry, Tebow was the bomb in college, however I dont think he is NFL material. I dont regret us not drafting Tebow or Christian Ponder. I feel that Gabbert is the right fit for us.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-04-30/sports/os-bianchi-saturday-circus-0430-20110429_1_magic-fans-muschamp-hedo-turkoglu
Because to this dunce it's not about mechanics or ability... it's about hometown heroes!
The only homegrown thing that an NFL team needs is tucked away in a box in the closets of it's players.
Who in the fudge is Hays Carlyon... and how do we get a Seal team to storm his compound?!
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/459576/hays-carlyon/2011-05-02/monday-hays-jags-coming-woes-ponders-and-tebow-s-future (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/459576/hays-carlyon/2011-05-02/monday-hays-jags-coming-woes-ponders-and-tebow-s-future)
I don't know who Hays Carylon is but he sounds like a thundertard.
Note to the Weavers: The NY Times reported yesterday that 'the Los Angeles Dodgers have drawn 95,843 fewer fans this season, the biggest drop in baseball." Attendance issues seem to be everywhere, even in dirty, insanely expensive, vacuous, water-starved towns like Los Angeles.
Quote from: ubben on May 04, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
Note to the Weavers: The NY Times reported yesterday that 'the Los Angeles Dodgers have drawn 95,843 fewer fans this season, the biggest drop in baseball." Attendance issues seem to be everywhere, even in dirty, insanely expensive, vacuous, water-starved towns like Los Angeles.
It certainly doesnt help when your fans beat up and try to kill their fans...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 04, 2011, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: ubben on May 04, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
Note to the Weavers: The NY Times reported yesterday that 'the Los Angeles Dodgers have drawn 95,843 fewer fans this season, the biggest drop in baseball." Attendance issues seem to be everywhere, even in dirty, insanely expensive, vacuous, water-starved towns like Los Angeles.
It certainly doesnt help when your fans beat up and try to kill their fans...
And your team was seized by the league on account of being run into the ground financially.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 04, 2011, 11:47:27 AM
I don't know who Hays Carylon is but he sounds like a thundertard.
I second that thought.
I always think about how MJD was overlooked in the draft. He was a buried treasure. And heck look at Brady with NE. The draft experts dont know it all.