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Title: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: iloveionia on April 25, 2011, 05:35:31 PM
This is just off the top of my head, all within the last year and a half:
(please feel free to add addresses or remind me and I'll dig for the address.)

445 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
447 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
451 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
455 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
1721 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
1715 Ionia (this was set to fire twice, on the second time it was demolished, this was tenant occupied)
1716 Ionia (still stands, damage repaired, people live there)
1634 Ionia (still stands, the city boarded it)
1630 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
1626 Ionia (still stands, damage minor)
1340 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
453 E. 3rd Street (owner occupied, still stands, exterior damage only, damage repaired)
242 W. 8th Street (subsequently demolished, but the fire ravaged near all of it, so there wasn't much to demo)
100 or 200 block of E. 1st Street (still stands, damage not fatal)
205 W. 3rd Street/Job Corps Building (currently being demolished)


FYI, 3/4 fires on 7th and/or Ionia where the house was demoed are owned by the same individual.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 05:39:30 PM
West 9th Street. August 4th, 2006. Demolished.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/springfield_update/2006/DSC_0009.jpg)
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: iloveionia on April 25, 2011, 05:49:05 PM
^the blocks, the columns, the rails, all gorgeous. 

ADD:
1800 Block of Liberty, odd side.  (owner restoring, damage minor, still standing.)
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: danno on April 25, 2011, 06:14:31 PM
There was one on 8th right next door to the one listed that went up on a Saturday night a couple of years ago, though I can't remember when.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
March 30th, 2010. 8th Street.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/mi/i-x4wcq6k/0/O/springfield_fire.jpg)

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Neighborhoods/Springfield-House-Fire/DSC0014/824607935_ppYeA-M.jpg)


Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:25:40 PM
1946? N Market Street, Oct 2005. Restored.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/mi/i-zMsBKbj/0/L/dsc01386-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Noone on April 25, 2011, 06:25:57 PM
Just saw the news and the wrecking ball. Is this structure coming down before the Fire Marshalls can conduct an investigation?

Just looking at the house in the pic. Look at the entire second floor thats visible and I would think that if an accelerant was used that there would be a pattern of consistancy throughout the structure. Just speculation but would there be a pattern throughout the shell that may show if its arson but now it has been transformed into a pile of rubble in less than 24 hours.  Just trying to understand the process.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:27:37 PM
1715 Ionia

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Neighborhoods/1715-Ionia-Fire/1715-Ionia-Street-002/965293393_iWT95-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
3rd and Market, 2007

http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f8/1156018486?videoId=1361619919&playerId=1156018486&viewerSecureGatewayURL=https://console.brightcove.com/services/amfgateway&servicesURL=http://services.brightcove.com/services&cdnURL=http://admin.brightcove.com&domain=embed&autoStart=false&
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:46:21 PM
Springfield Deuce has some feature fires on their website that list the location and years. Unfortunately the website they chose to host their videos is no longer online.

http://springfielddeuce.com/id5.html
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: iloveionia on April 25, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
It's the castle house. Address is west third.
Title: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Miss Fixit on April 25, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Here's another:  115 East 3rd, burned in 2009, placed on the "formal track" that June, still standing - although it probably shouldn't be - it is in FAR worse condition than most of the houses that have been demolished in Springfield during the past 18 months.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Overstreet on April 26, 2011, 07:45:36 AM
Quote from: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
March 30th, 2010. 8th Street.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/mi/i-x4wcq6k/0/O/springfield_fire.jpg)



The interesting thing here is the progress of the fire and no visible fire trucks in the frame.  Must have been a fast burner. Accelerant could be the culprit, but these really old houses were built with old growth heart pine. Lots a sap in heart pine. Think fat lighter. They carry their own accelerant internally.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: saabtroll on April 26, 2011, 12:44:51 PM
I make maps for a living, so I thought I would try to help visualize the Springfield fires.  I took the fires mentioned in this post and created a table and map using Google fusion tables.  If someone at Metro Jacksonville is interested, they could take over this project and manage the fires data.  

Fusion tables are really easy to use.  This technology can be used to map just about anything...another interesting project might be mapping demolished homes in Springfield.

links:
http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183971reSZ (http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183971reSZ) (Map)
http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183972tGt1 (http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183972tGt1) (Table)

http://img219.imageshack.us/i/springfieldfire.jpg/
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: danno on April 26, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on April 26, 2011, 07:45:36 AM
Quote from: Lunican on April 25, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
March 30th, 2010. 8th Street.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/mi/i-x4wcq6k/0/O/springfield_fire.jpg)




The interesting thing here is the progress of the fire and no visible fire trucks in the frame.  Must have been a fast burner. Accelerant could be the culprit, but these really old houses were built with old growth heart pine. Lots a sap in heart pine. Think fat lighter. They carry their own accelerant internally.

This house was pretty much gutted before the fire.  You sould see daylight through the siding.  I think that heled the acceleration quite a bit as well.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 26, 2011, 01:11:48 PM
Sept 3, 2006. 8th and Silver (next to the house pictured above).

http://www.youtube.com/v/NSL8WsHM8GI?version=3
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Timkin on April 26, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
the numbers of homes /buildings that have burnt down are more than a passing coincidence.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 26, 2011, 01:15:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/4S9o-kaekCE?version=3

The last day of 2007 started with a bang. At 740 am Engine 2 responded to a 2 story house fire with heavy fire showing. The Deuce along with Engines 1 & 9, Ladders 1 & 4, Fires 1 & 4, Rescue 2 and Safety 1 had the fire under control in about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: Lunican on April 26, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/tBmcAuDLyg4?version=3

Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: wsansewjs on April 26, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: iloveionia on April 25, 2011, 05:35:31 PM
This is just off the top of my head, all within the last year and a half:
(please feel free to add addresses or remind me and I'll dig for the address.)

445 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
447 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
451 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
455 E. 7th Street (subsequently demolished)
1721 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
1715 Ionia (this was set to fire twice, on the second time it was demolished, this was tenant occupied)
1716 Ionia (still stands, damage repaired, people live there)
1634 Ionia (still stands, the city boarded it)
1630 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
1626 Ionia (still stands, damage minor)
1340 Ionia (subsequently demolished)
453 E. 3rd Street (owner occupied, still stands, exterior damage only, damage repaired)
242 W. 8th Street (subsequently demolished, but the fire ravaged near all of it, so there wasn't much to demo)
100 or 200 block of E. 1st Street (still stands, damage not fatal)
205 W. 3rd Street/Job Corps Building (currently being demolished)


FYI, 3/4 fires on 7th and/or Ionia where the house was demoed are owned by the same individual.

Holy hell! Now, I am really suspicious... I am going to keep this in my active projects folder to monitor. I may have some information after I dig through history. This is making me sick to my stomach.

-Josh
Title: Re: Historic Springfield FIRES list of addresses and outcomes
Post by: sheclown on April 26, 2011, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: saabtroll on April 26, 2011, 12:44:51 PM
I make maps for a living, so I thought I would try to help visualize the Springfield fires.  I took the fires mentioned in this post and created a table and map using Google fusion tables.  If someone at Metro Jacksonville is interested, they could take over this project and manage the fires data. 

Fusion tables are really easy to use.  This technology can be used to map just about anything...another interesting project might be mapping demolished homes in Springfield.

links:
http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183971reSZ (http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183971reSZ) (Map)
http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183972tGt1 (http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S183972tGt1) (Table)

http://img219.imageshack.us/i/springfieldfire.jpg/

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