Metro Jacksonville

The Kimberly Daniels stuff is bubbling up again all over the place. 

The case in chief against her is here:  http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/04/16108/

QuoteBURLINGTON, Vt. â€" Truth Wins Out today called on Jacksonville, FL City Council candidate Kimberly Daniels (D) to bow out of the race after shocking videos revealed offensive comments about Jews and slavery. In the newly discovered video footage found by researcher Bruce Wilson, Daniels preaches to her flock: “You can talk about the Holocaust, but the Jews own everything.”

Daniels also says, “I thank God for slavery. If it wasn’t for slavery, I might be somewhere in Africa worshipping a tree.”

“These radical statements show that Kimberly Daniels is an extremist who is unfit for office and should immediately quit the race for the good of the city,” said Truth Wins Out’s Executive Director Wayne Besen. “A victory for Daniels would be disgraceful and turn Jacksonville into a national laughingstock.”

The worst of the YouTube videos is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35xouuMFE7E&feature=player_embedded  (she's a demon buster, y'all)

Local news is trying to wrap their arms around it here:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Kimberly-Daniels-responds-to-new-controversial/mv51IO8tfkyXg-CvnHd1Dw.cspx

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-04-21/story/city-council-race-taylor-and-daniels-each-draws-sharp-criticism

My general take:

I should begin by saying that I think Jacksonville is better than either David Taylor or Kimberly Daniels.
But, with that said, one of them will be sworn in as the next Council Members for At-Large Group 1. Whether I vote or not, one of them takes the oath of office.

I'm voting for David Taylor, and here's why: if the various complaints against him have merit, he will be disbarred as a lawyer, likely prosecuted, and will be forced to leave the Council. The voters of Jacksonville would get a do-over, and hopefully we do a better job of finding a candidate for the race than either of these people.

Daniels is just flat-out bigoted. The things she's said about gays, about Jews, and slavery, about... so many things. They're outrageous and do not show the kind of serious judgment we need from our leaders. But none of those things is legally actionable. And none of them rise to what would be necessary to remove her from office. We'd be stuck with her.

I've never seen a race that so perfectly encapsulated the old "lesser of two evils" better than this one. Taylor has my vote, if not my support.

Daniels would never get my vote.. One hate message was enough.

http://www.youtube.com/v/35xouuMFE7E

She screams her prejudices loud and clear...that's one sick woman and she sure as hell has no place on city council!

sadly, as Jimmy states, her opponent isn't much better

Poor thing is just an idiot and does'nt know it yet...

Not to derail, but see, GG, here's a situation where I can't vote for the so-called Democrat.  I just can't do it.  And I know that if enough people take a pass on voting in this race at all, this person could be elected.  So I'm taking the pragmatic step of voting for her Republican opponent.

The lines aren't always neat and tidy in politics.

I bought the Black and Decker Demonbuster a few years ago.  It' great for those wicked evil corners that your normal vacuum just can't get.

Quote from: Jimmy on April 22, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
Not to derail, but see, GG, here's a situation where I can't vote for the so-called Democrat.  I just can't do it.  And I know that if enough people take a pass on voting in this race at all, this person could be elected.  So I'm taking the pragmatic step of voting for her Republican opponent.

The lines aren't always neat and tidy in politics.

OH i agree with you on this one...there are idiots everywhere...

Here is a link to more research on Kimberly
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/4/20/152638/818 Daniels

Where is the greater at large 1 residential zone?  Anyone here want to move there and run for city council?  

Quote from: Bridges on April 22, 2011, 08:35:36 AM
I bought the Black and Decker Demonbuster a few years ago.  It' great for those wicked evil corners that your normal vacuum just can't get.

Does it vaccum up bad people seeking office?

Seriously, though I have to wonder what she thinks her message conveys?

We ought to be able to go to the polls and select NOTA (None Of The Above) and force a do over.

Quote from: urbanlibertarian on April 22, 2011, 12:18:04 PM
We ought to be able to go to the polls and select NOTA (None Of The Above) and force a do over.

Makes more sense than some of the other things I have seen posted! At the minimum, a do over should be in the rules...............when you have a choice between two and neither or very good, there is no choice but the lesser of the two or is it the more?

Quote from: Jimmy on April 22, 2011, 08:31:42 AM

The lines aren't always neat and tidy in politics.

Um ... are they supposed to EVER be neat and tidy? ;)

Quote from: stephendare on April 22, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from Kim Daniels @ 2:57 mark of the video:  "I thank God for slavery....If it wasnt for slavery, I might be somewhere in Africa, worshipping a tree."

I can't believe that came out of her mouth....that just tells me that she's been brainwashed by her pastor for many many years..."worshiping a tree"....lol...sometimes i think we'd all be better off worshipping a tree instead of a man..

Dude there is alot of stuff that came out of her mouth that I CANNOT envision anyone trying to get a position  E V E R  saying.


Just unbelievable

Hmmm...I smell a marketing opportunity for Certified Non-Witch-Prayed-Over Halloween candy.

What about Easter Peeps?  Everbody knows they are demonic, especially the ones where the nose doesn't line up right and they look like they have three eyes.

Can I run for office on the Easter Peep Conspiracy?  Anyone?

HoopLady Thats a great platform, I will be your caimpaign Manager.

And we will say your opponent, does not have a birth certificate.

QuoteBURLINGTON, Vt.

What, no one was available to quote from somewhere closer?

Is Kim Daniels related to Pat Locket-Felder? Should we fear a statue of Kim Daniels in her district, if she wins?

The New Black Panther Party now speaks of violence against those who criticize Kimberly Daniels.

I don't like where this is going.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/201698/3/Update-New-Black-Panther-Party-Endorses-City-Council-Candidate

This Kimberly Daniels thing is getting deeper and more frightening by the minute:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=201698  to see the video...

From Truth Wins Out: http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/04/16166/

First Coast News reports:

Kimberly Daniels, candidate in the runoff for the At-Large Group 1 City Council Seat has the attention of a couple national activist groups. She has been called to end her run by a group called Truth Wins Out because of comments she made regarding homosexuals, Jews and slavery. But a different group, the New Black Panther Party.

“We warn the white community, and other conservative groups, that we won’t sit idly by while another black leader, and especially a black woman is threatened,” said a spokesman for the party during a downtown rally on Friday.

About a dozen people watched as the party announced its endorsement of Daniels. Members also had a direct message for the members of TWO:

“If any harm comes her way, or any other black people, we will definitely respond and the consequences will be severe.”

TWO founder Wayne Besen said, “It just shows that she’s unfit for office if she’s going to align herself with a radical extremist group like the New Black Panther Party.”

Attempts today to reach Daniels were unsuccessful. It is unclear whether she wants or approves of the support from the New Black Panthers The spokesman said she did not reach out to the organization, which had decided to endorse and support her on its own.

THREATENED???????  She is the one spewing the hate messages IN FACT so is the Black Panther Party.  I was not aware of anyone threatening her.

I'm beginning to think there is a much bigger issue here that is not being discussed.  Kimberly Daniels is an admitted drug user. Using drugs like crack cocaine can lead to long term brain damage with symptoms that look like schizophrenia.   Schizophrenia, especially the paranoid type, can have symptoms that manifest themselves as delusions of persecution with frequent auditory hallucinations.  This might explain a lot.  I used to work for a psychiatric hospital and it seems to fit.  If there were actual threats made, I would assume there would be police reports to document them. 

I would love to hear from someone with expertise whether or not the threats made by the New Black Panther Party are credible and serious in any way?

take a look at the New Black Panther Party stands for and see if there is anything positive.

While the result might not be pretty, it might be entertaining to see this group mix up with the Tea Party!

Quote from: FlowerPower on April 23, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Using drugs like crack cocaine can lead to long term brain damage with symptoms that look like schizophrenia.   Schizophrenia, especially the paranoid type, can have symptoms that manifest themselves as delusions of persecution with frequent auditory hallucinations.  This might explain a lot. 

I think we have enough information from her comments to know that we should not vote for her. I just wish we had a better alternative. Possibly crooked lawyer is the best that Jacksonville can produce?

I guess there is no such thing as voting for none of the above. Besides, Daniels probably has enough of a following to get in, unfortunately.

You can't vote for none of the above.  You can't write in a different name.  You're stuck with Daniels or Taylor.  No way around it.  One of them gets elected May 17.

can they be recalled?

Quote from: NotNow on April 23, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
We should take every threat seriously.   Groups like this are very dangerous in that their message can be taken seriously by some.  They enjoy the protection of the first amendment, but the threat quoted in the media, with its racial component, could be construed to fall outside of that protection.

Any message can be taken seriously by some. Some people still believe that the Apollo mission to the moon was faked in a Hollywood studio. I don't think that group is a big threat to our democracy. i think that the "birther" opponents to Obama are totally wrong headed, but they have the right to put their ideas out there.

Kiva, I agree completely that groups (and individuals) should avail themselves of the first amendment.  And the political process.  What troubles me, and apparently others including NotNow (thanks) about the comments from the NBPP is that these are threats of violence directed at very specific groups (if not a whole ethnic group).  Those words have the potential to incite some nasty behavior from people who might be susceptible to such messages.

The most troubling aspect is that these men are trying to shut down legitimate debate about important public topics through intimidation and threats of violence.  If Ms. Daniels wants to be a leader in Jacksonville, this is her big chance.  She either denounces this group and their tactics or she adopts them.

If she adopts them, It speaks volumes to the sort of character she really is.. as if her messages are not scary enough.

Quote from: Timkin on April 23, 2011, 09:51:12 PM
can they be recalled?

Council members can be recalled, as I understand it.  The bar is high.  More likely, if warranted, would be removal by the Governor. 

Quote from: NotNow on April 23, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
We should take every threat seriously.  While the New Black Panthers are a very small and very radical group, their message of hate can influence many.   Even just blowing how air can result in a weak minded individual acting out in percieved revenge.  Groups like this are very dangerous in that their message can be taken seriously by some.  They enjoy the protection of the first amendment, but the threat quoted in the media, with its racial component, could be construed to fall outside of that protection.

+1

Can someone here tell me the history on why Group 1 has only these two to vote for? 

It would've come down to either nobody else wanted to run or nobody qualified

there was a 3rd candidate (an Independent)...but these 2 made the runoff

Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run? 

Quote from: cityimrov on April 24, 2011, 07:21:52 PM
Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run?  

as stated above, there was a 3rd candidate...and Group 1 is a city-wide district

Group 1 - like all At-Large Groups is voted on county wide, but each has a different residency area.  I couldn't find a map, but did find a text description on the SOE page:

Quote
AT-LARGE RESIDENCY AREA 1
Begin at the southwest corner of Duval County, Florida (being the northwest
corner of Clay County, and also being a point on the easterly line of Baker County,
Florida); thence northerly along the westerly line of Duval County to its northwesterly
corner; thence northeasterly along the northerly line of Duval County, Florida into
Nassau Sound; thence easterly through Nassau Sound to the easterly line of Duval
County as it borders the Atlantic Ocean; thence southerly along the east line of Duval,
County Florida, east of Little Talbot Island, into the main shipping channel of the St.
Johns River; thence westerly along the main shipping channel of the St. Johns River,
southerly of Blount Island into Trout River; thence westerly through Trout River to a point
on the Trout River Bridge (Interstate 95); thence northerly on I-95 to Interstate 295 (I-
295); thence westerly on I-295 to Duval Road; thence southerly on Duval Road to Dunn
Avenue; thence easterly on Dunn Avenue to Monaco Drive; thence southerly on Monaco
Drive to Depaul Drive; thence easterly on Depaul Drive to Interstate Center Drive;
thence southerly on Interstate Center Drive to Clark Road; thence westerly on Clark
Road to Broward Road; thence northwesterly on Broward Road to a point northwesterly
of Belleshore Circle West and southeasterly of Haverford Road; thence southwesterly
from Broward Road into the Trout River; thence westerly through the Trout River to I-
295; thence southerly on I-295 to Wilson Boulevard; thence easterly on Wilson
Boulevard to Blanding Boulevard; thence northerly on Blanding Boulevard into the Cedar
River; thence southeasterly through the Cedar River to the Ortega River; thence
southerly through the Ortega River to the south line of Duval County, Florida; thence
westerly along the south line of Duval County, Florida to its southwest corner and the
point of beginning.

Sounds like District 11, plus some more area?

Quote from: cityimrov on April 24, 2011, 07:21:52 PM
Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run?  

The group's geographic area can be seen here: http://www3.coj.net/City-Council/Docs/2007atlargedistrictmap.aspx

Five candidates filed papers to run for the seat, including Daniels, Taylor, Steve Burnette (who was defeated), Randall Gallup, and Marc Hardesty. Gallup and Hardesty withdrew.  I don't think Gallup would have been much of an entity in the race.  Marc Hardesty would have been the sensible choice, if he'd not left the race in January due to family reasons.

Much clearer than my text version.  Thanks, Jimmy!
Huge residential area - shame Hardesty had to drop out.

I liked reading your textual version, like an old deed.

Yes, too bad about Hardesty.  David Taylor it is.

I tend to agree with NN on this matter.  At the very least, these "gentlemen" have gone on television to support what Daniels said about gays and Jews.  And promised violence to keep gays, Jews, and other ministers from calling Daniels out for her dangerous rhetoric. 

The phrase "domestic terrorism" comes to mind.  Idealistic optimism??  Not so much.

Quote from: stephendare on April 25, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
In any case, they wouldnt be involved if Kim Daniels hadnt solicited their help, and it would have had to be a good story from her at that.

"The spokesman said she did not reach out to the organization, which had decided to endorse and support her on its own."

I'm looking at the totality of the report.

Kim Daniels would benefit from publicly rejecting these unwanted endorsements.  Call it a Sistah Souljah moment, if you will...

Stephen...does this quote not bother you?

"We warn the white community, and other conservative groups, that we won't sit idly by while another black leader, and especially a black woman is threatened," said a spokesman for the party during a downtown rally on Friday.

It sure bothers me.  No one has threatened this person.  People have gone to lengths to showcase her own words.  This may do her real harm by her loss of the election.  That's how I interpreted those remarks.  An attempt to silence critics through intimidation.

And memo to the NBPP: these are not conservative groups doing the highlighting. And neither are they white ones.  Statement of the African American Ministers in Action (AAMIA):

“At African American Ministers in Action, our hope is that Americans will always have the opportunity to elect public officials who stand for respect and liberty, fairness and equality, and treat all people with the dignity that they deserve. We are disheartened by the advancement of a candidate who has instead chosen to be a voice of fear and intolerance. The people of Jacksonville deserve better.”

I agree with Jimmy:

â€"noun
1. physical injury or mental damage; hurt: to do him bodily harm.
2. moral injury; evil; wrong.
â€"verb (used with object)
3. to do or cause harm to; injure; damage; hurt: to harm one's reputation.

The emphasis added is mine.

"If any harm comes her way, or any other black people, we will definitely respond and the consequences will be severe."  And given that it was directed at white people and conservatives specifically, it has threatening overtones.  

Concur with Jimmy.. Daniels various messages are of her own hateful words.  She is her own worst enemy.

The Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate groups has listed the New Black Panthers.  They SPLC writes:  The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla.

[Bold Emphasis added is mine.]

For the source/full description read here http://splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/new-black-panther-party

Nice find, FlowerPower.  I had no idea they were listed with the SPLC. 

Stephen, those videos do bother me. But they are wholly unrelated to this discussion.

Daniels has not been criticized by ACT. Unless I'm mistaken.

Kimberly Daniels in the TU:

Quote
"While I deeply appreciate the people of the community coming forth, due to threats upon me and my family, I need to make it known that my ministry or campaign did not initiate or sponsor the press conference," the candidate said in a written statement.

"Also, I did not make arrangements with anyone for security or protection," added Daniels, a Democrat facing Republican David Taylor for the council's At-Large Group 1 seat.

This video from Saturday's National Day of Action may provide some insight into who initiated contact:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14228084

This is an event where over 100 persons (so it is not just 5 guys) showed up at Hemming Plaza where during his speech Mikhael says he grew up with Kim Daniels (time 20:17) and then explains how Kim Daniels "spoke out about these wicked Jews" who control the wealth of America and were involved in the slave trade and how he heard about how she was attacked by a group called African-Americans in Ministry. After hearing she had been threatened he tells the story of how his group contacted Kimberly Daniels and according to him she was "waiting for his call".  He then offered security. I should note that he does not in his speech say she agreed to his group's protection. This came out a day after the appearance on First Coast News. 

This also seems to counterindicate Steven's theory that it was Kimberly Daniels who first contacted NBP. 

Along the way the speaker also made several derogatory comments about the "news media, JEWS media" (minute 14:45 and again around 22:59).   

While there was no call to violence in what I viewed, it is clear some antisemitic language was present.

What are you talking about Stephen, everyone knows jaywalking is punishable by death...

So, Daniels took the opportunity to say she appreciates the support of this group, disavows all knowledge of contacting them, and says nothing about the tone and tenor of the "support."  So, like I said before, she therefore adopts the hate-speech and (call to) violence of the group.

David Taylor it is.

What's that old saying about being able to judge a person by the company they keep?

Mmmmmm...fruitcake!

(http://www.caketodays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fruit-cakes13.jpg)

I've seen some fruitcakes in my day, Chris.  That's an impressive looking one.

I agree, she uh I mean it is...

MMMMMMMMMM....fruuuuuiiitcake

The plot thickens:

http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/04/16176/

It seems Kim Daniels knew she would be on the news on Friday and posted on her website a message to her followers that implied she was attacked by a group of "homosexuals" and let people infer it was "homosexuals" who left a racist note on her car telling her to get out of the race. 

Really?   I sure would like to know specifically when/where this threatening note first appeared and if a police report was filed.  I'm beginning to think it was a media stunt.  I suspect extremely few people outside of the press had known about TWO's press release about Daniels until after the local news aired.  Yet she was aware likely since the group probably contacted her to ask her to drop out.  Thoughts?  I may work on a time line.

Oh and here is another interesting tidbit.  I just visited www.kimberlydaniels.com and sections of the website where some of her most egregious statements were made (the blog and the War Room and the screen capture you can see in the previous post by following the link to TWO's website) have been taken down...and only the words "coming soon" appear.   I think that it's a little late for spring cleaning.  ;D

The Times Union has just reported that Kimberly Daniels has received the endorsement of the Family Research Council.  Strangely, the writer did not mention that the Family Research Council is considered by the Southern Poverty Law Center to be an anti-gay hate group that works to perpetuate myths about gay people so it is easier to deny them rights.  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/family-research-council

Here is a clip from the TU on Kimberly Daniels:

QuoteA publicist working for Daniels' campaign circulated a statement Wednesday from the FRC Action PAC calling Daniels "a true defender and protector of the family.

"...For her strong support of marriage, life and family Kim Daniels deserves to be elected to the Jacksonville City Council," the statement continued.

Daniels, a minister who writes on religious issues, has been criticized by gay-rights advocates for arguing gay people can be "delivered" from their lifestyle. She has also endorsed efforts to define marriage exclusively as a union between a man and woman.

Daniels has argued in the past that she held no ill feelings toward gay people.

In a 2008 column, she wrote: "I am not against homosexuals. I am against the homosexual agenda and any person who attempts to stop me from getting my gay brothers and sisters free.

"I have employees who have come out of the lifestyle, and gay people attend my church--but they are trying to get delivered," she continued. "We treat them with love but do not provide a place for them to flaunt their lifestyle."

:o >:(

Quote from: FlowerPower on May 12, 2011, 11:46:17 PM
The Times Union has just reported that Kimberly Daniels has received the endorsement of the Family Research Council.  Strangely, the writer did not mention that the Family Research Council is considered by the Southern Poverty Law Center to be an anti-gay hate group that works to perpetuate myths about gay people so it is easier to deny them rights.  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/family-research-council

Oh....that's far from the most ludicrous endorsement Kimberly Daniels has received in the past day or two. If you truly want to see something that will challenge your belief in reality, may I suggest;

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,12206.0.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,12206.0.html)