Annie Lytle gets a new Roof
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The endangered Annie Lytle now has a new neighbor to protect her from the rain.
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I'm suprised that there has not been an "accident" at this site yet.
It wouldn't take much for an "accident" to happen. I wonder how the building's foundation is holding up from all the nearby bridge piling construction?
how is this considered "overhanging"....there's over 10 feet separating the ramp from the school?
I think it was just a joke.
i don't know how great of shape this building is in, but it seems like it could be a good spot for a concert/live show venue. since they're generally windowless and loud inside anyway, the traffic noise wouldn't be an issue and the exterior would give it character that you wouldn't care about once inside (you're there for music, anyway). and the type of venue i'm thinking of isn't concerned too much with a completely restored interior, mostly just open flooring with speakers and colorful lights. it wouldn't necessarily need the auditorium (that i for some reason thought i heard was in very bad shape) if there were other areas large enough to be used.
the other question, of course, would be parking and maybe the cost of the building. i would think that land with a highway overhanging wouldn't be worth quite as much as other areas, though.
and, of course, i've been to jack rabbits and freebird enough times to know that it's hard to fill up a show in this town.
Parking wouldn't be aproblem once the interchange is finished because the underside of the elevated portions will be empty.
I still think it looks like a SKYWAY-STREETCAR-BUS station. Toss in the new "Covered Parking Zone" and the theater with the convertible sky roof and we could have a winner! All kidding aside, we really DID put a theater into the "University Station" in Medellin. It has worked wonders, bringing in zillions that might have missed mass transit as not on their (elevated) social level. Once they see it in action, the adjacent stores and malls (JTA, it's called a REAL TOD) their hooked. Why not in Jacksonville?
Ocklawaha
It certainly sounds like a fantastic forward thinking idea Ock.
The city has no interest, and has never had any interest in saving this structure. In the last ten years there have been several proposals put to the city as options to save this property and all were met with immediate rejection. One was to convert the building to an assisted living center = Vote NO. Another was live/work lofts, I believe; yet another negative outcome. One developer wanted to make the whole thing office and one friend of the family was trying to buy the building to renovate it back to a school. Each time a viable business man or developer came to the table with an easy and profitable solution the city simply stamped "DENIED" on the app and moved on. I doubt they even read half of the information that crossed their desks concerning this amazing building. I myself have thought for years that it would make a great nightspot, regardless of it's proximity to I-95. But, as has been said, I'm sure an "accident" is imminent. It will be a great loss for riverside.
well i think some one should do something to restore this
Im trying to seek out persons willing to buy and restore. If time does not run out before
has anyone found an investor willing to put the money up for a night club. the renovation would probaly cost around 4 million. but the profits would be there once complete. if anybody is interested in giving it a try i would like to work on a business plann with them.
Patty..... For the night club proposal, were you looking to purchase this property? If so, you may or may not know that One Entity owns the School building and the land directly below the building. ( Tarpon Holdings, LLC) Another (Foundation Holdings IV ) has retained ownership of all adjacent and surrounding land, up to FDOT Right of way in the front, back to Hughes Automotive, and own either 2 or 3 lots on College , ending at Roselle St .. ( They own the corner lot)
My point is , the renovation costs you are speaking of , may or may not be accurate. I do not know for sure.. but.. then there is the purchase of the building and the adjacent land, since I seriously doubt Foundation Holdings IV will ever be open or consenting to a nightclub being there ( At this stage in the game I think it is a better idea, than the building continuing to deteriorate) and Tarpon ,who bought the school from a tax sale last March,obviously did so ,intending to flip it. I have no idea what kind of a purchase price these two agencies would be willing to give this place up for ,but my BET is NOT A PENNY LESS than 2MM. so factor that into your business plan. As Tarpon bought the building, but never does any kind of maintenance to it, the City then stepped in and hired an outside contractor to secure the building , fence, etc. and the last I knew, liened not just the school, but all of Tarpon's Duval County properties ( some one please correct me if I am wrong)
Archipfreak.....I completely concur with the first part of your statement. the City absolutely has had no interest in saving this building... but at least since the time I have been involved in it , beginning late 2005, There have been no proposals set forth that were declined, other than demoltion requests. Feb 2007 LUZ Meeting concerned Bill #2006-0024 (application by Foundation and the developer to demolish the building) At the land , use and zoning meeting , that was initially APPROVED but with condition. Then public outcry came in large numbers.. I personally contacted the Florida Trust and the National Trust for Historic Preservation and got them involved.
Long story short.. Initially approved by LUZ , referred to full council who deferred the bill for better than a year and last year the bill was kicked out of council and re referred to HPC. Since the building earned Landmark status in 2000 ( Placed in this status , hoping to help with getting some assistance from the Florida/National Trust) I firmly believe now that is the sole factor which has spared it from demolition. What you are correct about is , that many proposals have been made, mostly with the idea of housing and have never come to pass for various reasons.
I have intently been involved with trying to protect the School from any fate which involved removing any part or all of it . It is and will always be my sincere desire to see it spared. From a practical standpoint, I believe Ock's proposal to Utilize the building as a Transportation center/ Mall is the most practical idea EVER EVER proposed, however ,sadly I do not think JTA and/or the City is going to be having any part of that. So the night club idea is totally fine with me... but I think even in that plan you are looking at SIGNIFICANTLY more than you think for renovation costs and then you have the purchase of the property. It would seem to me that LUZ would be reasonable for any proposed use which would finally make this old building viable, as clearly housing never would have and likely never will happen there . I wish you luck with your endeavor. If there is any way AT ALL POSSIBLE that I can help , please do not hesitate to contact me. I wish you luck in finding funding.. If you pull that off, you will have succeeded, where many have failed.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 13, 2007, 03:39:37 PM
I still think it looks like a SKYWAY-STREETCAR-BUS station. Toss in the new "Covered Parking Zone" and the theater with the convertible sky roof and we could have a winner! All kidding aside, we really DID put a theater into the "University Station" in Medellin. It has worked wonders, bringing in zillions that might have missed mass transit as not on their (elevated) social level. Once they see it in action, the adjacent stores and malls (JTA, it's called a REAL TOD) their hooked. Why not in Jacksonville?
Ocklawaha
Could not agree with you more, Ock! I would be doing hand springs on the roof if it ever came to pass.
Got an email from a friend today asking me what I thought of the recent Folio Weekly Article on Annie Lytle. Guess I need to grab a Folio? Someone??
Its a decent article. It has a paragraph or two about your efforts to preserve the structure included in it.
Some of the "facts" in the piece are off, but nothing major for an atmosphere story.
People, there are trolls in that building and no one will hear you scream.
I was glad to read that our local high school students are getting involved in this issue. I hope that they can pick up the banner for this cause and can make a difference for good. It would be a welcome change from a lot of the negative news that we have been reading about young people and how they are supposedly not as smart as their counterparts around the world.
There are NO dumb kids going to Douglas Anderson or LaVilla Schools. They are the most intelligent, creative and outgoing young people you will ever meet. Just awesome!
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2011, 12:49:44 PM
I was glad to read that our local high school students are getting involved in this issue. I hope that they can pick up the banner for this cause and can make a difference for good. It would be a welcome change from a lot of the negative news that we have been reading about young people and how they are supposedly not as smart as their counterparts around the world.
+1,000,000
Is it okay for someone to post the article ?
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 10, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
People, there are trolls in that building and no one will hear you scream.
Wonder how we missed these "trolls" in all the times we were there on the cleanups and boarding up ? :)
Never , at any time I was ever present there , did I feel/see anything unusual or hear screams. Just new graffiti / damage at every visit.
Quote from: Timkin on February 10, 2011, 07:41:17 PM
Is it okay for someone to post the article ?
Yes, but you need citations of source. Also, I don't think Folio's website has electronic copies of their complete story's so someone needs to scan it in.OCKLAWAHA
My worst fears about the Folio article have been realized. Going by this AM there were a couple of young women on the grounds inside the fence taking photographs and looking for a way inside the building.
Look kids, there are frequently homeless men living inside the building who would just love to get their hands on a couple of sweet young things. It doesn't matter day or night; nobody would hear you screaming.
Tim and I have seen them inside, but we are too old and ugly for them to bother with. Also armed.
Quote from: Timkin on February 10, 2011, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 10, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
People, there are trolls in that building and no one will hear you scream.
Wonder how we missed these "trolls" in all the times we were there on the cleanups and boarding up ? :)
Never , at any time I was ever present there , did I feel/see anything unusual or hear screams. Just new graffiti / damage at every visit.
The place is, especially certain times of year, a homeless shelter. I once saw the flames of a small heating fire driving by at night. It is not wise for unaccompanied females to go in there, the last thing we need for the building's sake is some teenage girl going in there by herself and getting raped by a bum, the way this community reacts to that kind of thing the building would be torn down by the end of the week. I want to see it saved too, and that's a lot of liability that could run counter to the goal.
The situation as it is , is a ticking time-bomb. I have lost count of the times I have posted on Facebook and in various forums, replies to emails, trying to reason to these young people to stay out of the School. If an incident ,such as Chris suggests, or an injury or worse as a result of the building's declining condition, it is my fear that would be the final blow.
I finally read the article today... it was decent... I am certainly glad to see some younger supporters of the building remaining, but I think Folio sets the wrong precedent by displaying a picture of kids wondering around in there. Kind of advertises a free for all. But then I suppose it has been a " right of passage" for decades.. Unfortunately a good deal of the destruction is a direct result of persons who entered there without permission. The difference is , I did not, without the direct written consent of the owner, and I never did any type of destructive measures. Some people think it is cool to spray paint all over the building...not just inside of it. It has gotten out of hand and sadly, it seems it will never end until , by the Grace of God , it is somehow spared and restored, OR it would seem more likely, demolished....Especially with the arrangement of ownership of the building/land and surrounding land. I keep hoping and praying for it's new chapter.... but am tapped out of ideas on how to make that reality.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on February 11, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: Timkin on February 10, 2011, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 10, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
People, there are trolls in that building and no one will hear you scream.
Wonder how we missed these "trolls" in all the times we were there on the cleanups and boarding up ? :)
Never , at any time I was ever present there , did I feel/see anything unusual or hear screams. Just new graffiti / damage at every visit.
The place is, especially certain times of year, a homeless shelter. I once saw the flames of a small heating fire driving by at night. It is not wise for unaccompanied females to go in there, the last thing we need for the building's sake is some teenage girl going in there by herself and getting raped by a bum, the way this community reacts to that kind of thing the building would be torn down by the end of the week. I want to see it saved too, and that's a lot of liability that could run counter to the goal.
In the years that Public School #4 has been a curiosity for local youth, it is miracle that we have not read about a bum attacking, robbing or raping one of the curiosity seekers. I was too chicken to venture inside (Religious parents who would have killed me and buried me in the backyard), but I had friends who had no qualms about taking a look for themselves. Two classmates of mine were arrested for trespassing back in the day when I-95 went under the Park Street overpass.
At any rate, I want to play devil's advocate for a moment. If the building becomes a mecca for even more young people, the kids would surely outnumber the bums. Violent crimes tend to be of opportunity. A bum is not likely going to attack a kid who is one of a crowd of folks wandering the building. When I went to New York City as a college student, my folks feared that I would be killed in the mean streets of Union Square. I never felt safer because there were always crowds of people and I never felt vulnerable.
Back to reality, though, they should not be risking their personal safety and should listen to the voice of reason. Besides, we should always emphasize that those folks who go inside the school should do so through the proper channels for liability reasons and for piece of mind.
I do agree with Chriswufgator that it only takes one incident for the public to deem the building a hazard and menace and to break out the torches to raze this beautiful building...
And , Jaxson I fear there is a particular number of people out there ...won't bother to name names , who is chomping at the bit, so to speak for this building to be destroyed. I would not go as far as to say they would want to see someone die.. but if it took that for the building to be demolished, then so be it.
IMO there is too much negative "power" in Place..... this is why this building and so many like it are endangered and have never had a development that got past the "planning" stages......and as well why so many magnificent structures through out this city, particularly in Downtown, LaVilla, and Brooklyn are gone. Horrible MINDLESS Razing.....and for as far as the eye can see ,,,, Blight and vacant land.
I really do not wish to see PS #4 follow suit of so many other Historic Landmarks.