Tit for Tat, I suppose, maybe Brown does not walk on water after all:
QuoteALVIN BROWN Snubs tea party
Columnist Ron Littlepage's headline was "Hogan snubbing voters."
You could have fooled us. The First Coast Tea Party has reached out time and again to Alvin Brown asking for a meeting and requesting his participation in our Mayoral Town Hall. He didn't even answer our questionnaire.
He is the only mayoral candidate who refused to speak with us.
Mike Hogan is spending his time with the people, and that is the type of mayor we want - a man of the people.
The people of the First Coast Tea Party have been open and receptive to all candidates and have treated them with respect.
Not one candidate who participated in our process has a bad word to say about how they were treated.
Billie Tucker,
First Coast Tea Party, Jacksonville
This is ridiculous. So Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what?? They're just looking for more personal information that they can use against him. I'm glad he didn't respond.
Haven't they already endorsed Hogan?
Quoteo Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what??
Who said anything about racial slurs? All they requested from him was that he fill out their questionnaire. So Brown decided he did not want to have anything to do with them, that's his choice, but Brown evades groups and is not the hero that the papers make him out to be with regard to attending forums and public sparring locations.
Does anyone think that Brown would accept a debate at the local Fire or Police Unions either? Each has strong factions behind them, and the fact that Brown chose to evade the tea party shows me that he is not infallible.
Billie Tucker*, that government-hating tax fighter, is just trying to hurt Alvin Brown. In whose eyes, I don't know. It's been long known that her organization endorsed Mike Hogan. In the crunch of a campaign, you go for where people are open to your message or are persuadable. The tea party is neither open nor persuadable. Moving on...
And yes, I think Brown would accept a debate at Police or Fire. He has a lot of support among the rank and file of both unions. Not enough for the endorsement, but plenty of support. At least among people I talked to at Guns and Hoses on Saturday.
*Does not hate taxes, fees, or government while she's getting sweetheart six-figure contracts from JEA
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 20, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Quoteo Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what??
Who said anything about racial slurs? All they requested from him was that he fill out their questionnaire. So Brown decided he did not want to have anything to do with them, that's his choice, but Brown evades groups and is not the hero that the papers make him out to be with regard to attending forums and public sparring locations.
Does anyone think that Brown would accept a debate at the local Fire or Police Unions either? Each has strong factions behind them, and the fact that Brown chose to evade the tea party shows me that he is not infallible.
And Mike Hogan agrees to meet with every group that invites him? That is news to me. In your rush to demonize Alvin Brown, you neglect to mention that your man is not as pure as we would all like to think.
QuoteAt least among people I talked to at Guns and Hoses on Saturday.
We all know how we can trust talk, I have to keep going back to what happened with Audrey Moran. Everyone said she was going to do it, and that she could do it, still could in a future election, but she could not get enough of the masses.
There is going to be SOME topic that drives one campaign, it won't be meet and greets, it won't be Littlepage or Harding or Billie in the paper, there is going to be one issue that decides the campaign. It was there in Peyton/Glover (no not race), and there will be an issue that creates a 250,000 swell of voters. I don't know what its going to be, but there will be one issue that will drive someone to victory.
$64,000 Question of the Day: How does Mike Hogan plan to work with BOTH the Tea Party folks and the public employee unions? Are these two groups not a cross purposes? And, if they are on opposite sides of the public debate, which of the two would accept having their interests put on the back burner in favor of the other? Hmmmmm...
QuoteAnd Mike Hogan agrees to meet with every group that invites him?
If you will check the previous posts in Politics, I think we can both agree that this issue has been brought up more than once. I was simply pointing out that Brown does choose not to attend or associate with certain groups, just the same as Hogan deciding to do the same. Brown makes similar choices, unfortunately fairness does not reign supreme on the MJ site, so I took it upon myself to make sure we all saw the editorial section in today's Times Union.
I have to agree with you on that, mtrain. I don't fault either candidate for agreeing or not agreeing to meet with various consituent groups. It is their choice to make the most of the limited amount of time that they have leading up to the election. Ultimately, in my opinion, a strong candidate would be best served to reach out to as many constituent groups as possible - even if they are at odds. Don't get me wrong, though. I also understand that candidates do not want to find themselves in an ambush or gotcha moment from folks either. In that case, silence may be golden.
Quote from: Jimmy on April 20, 2011, 08:57:41 AM
Billie Tucker*
*Does not hate taxes, fees, or government while she's getting sweetheart six-figure contracts from JEA
I would kindly request for a source or two to this statement.
-Josh
QuoteQuoteo Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what??
Who said anything about racial slurs? All they requested from him was that he fill out their questionnaire.
I was making reference to the practically passing of legislation to make the term "tea bagger" considered an offensive term. People in the tea party are hypocritical and scared. They're willing to use horrible epithets to describe everyone else, but if you make one hilarious insult toward them they freak out.
Either way, this is the pot calling the kettle black. If I had a nickel for every group or event that Hogan snubbed in this election, I'd have enough to finance one Mullaney vote. This is the first thing anyone can peg Alvin Brown with, so the baggers are jumping all over it. He's not wrong for trying to distance himself from them, I think he is very right for doing it. The tea party is a party of fear, and this is just another example.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 20, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Quoteo Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what??
Who said anything about racial slurs?
what, you didn't hear...The T-U will not allow posts/articles using the word Teabaggers, because it is considered a slur!
Quote from: wsansewjs on April 20, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 20, 2011, 08:57:41 AM
Billie Tucker*
*Does not hate taxes, fees, or government while she's getting sweetheart six-figure contracts from JEA
I would kindly request for a source or two to this statement.
-Josh
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-09-14/story/local-tea-party-leader-has-consulting-contract-jea
Quote from: wsansewjs on April 20, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 20, 2011, 08:57:41 AM
Billie Tucker*
*Does not hate taxes, fees, or government while she's getting sweetheart six-figure contracts from JEA
I would kindly request for a source or two to this statement.
-Josh
My memory was wrong. It was closer to $90K - http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-09-14/story/local-tea-party-leader-has-consulting-contract-jea
Thanks to those quicker on the draw than me. :)
Quote from: stephendare on April 20, 2011, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 20, 2011, 09:13:36 AM
QuoteQuoteo Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur), so what??
Who said anything about racial slurs? All they requested from him was that he fill out their questionnaire.
I was making reference to the practically passing of legislation that was passed to make the term "tea bagger" considered an offensive term. People in the tea party are hypocritical and scared. They're willing to use horrible epithets to describe everyone else, but if you make one hilarious insult toward them they freak out.
Either way, this is the pot calling the kettle black. If I had a nickel for every group or event that Hogan snubbed in this election, I'd have enough to finance one Mullaney vote. This is the first thing anyone can peg Alvin Brown with, so the baggers are jumping all over it. He's not wrong for trying to distance himself from them, I think he is very right for doing it. The tea party is a party of fear, and this is just another example.
What makes it better is that the Teabaggers originally called themselves that, in all their literature, and in the requests to send teabags to congress.
It wasnt until Wonkette and Gawker pointed out that the term was a stripping move that they suddenly wanted to change their name.
I actually like to call them "Teabaggers" because it really does fit them due to the historical reference, not the sexual term.
They remind me of these....
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12425_potheads.jpg)
Source and disclaminer: Google Image. Just random photo, no way of referring to any specific person or their identity.
-Josh
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 20, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Does anyone think that Brown would accept a debate at the local Fire or Police Unions either? Each has strong factions behind them, and the fact that Brown chose to evade the tea party shows me that he is not infallible.
Actually yes, any group that has persuadable members is a good group to meet with. So definitely meeting local Fire and Police Unions would be beneficial for sure.
Has anyone seen the tea partiers be persuadable to jobs from High Speed Rail for example?
This was federal money that when rejected by tea party governor Rick Scott was not used to reduce the federal deficit...........but likely is now rerouted to CA.
The pension (cutting) issue is an issue that worries the firefighters, and Alvin Brown can speak to that. I know there are many firefighters who are not voting for Hogan, despite that silly endorsement.
The Jacksonville firefighter union is for sure the only firefighter union anywhere that would endorse a generally pension cutting arch conservative Tea Party candidate. As we've seen, Rick Scott has been solidly anti-middle class.
Ok so let me get this straight. Alvin is wrong because he doesnt want to talk to the "tea party"?? I mean really who the hell are they? Who cares? That his choice. Just like Mike Hogan has refuse to talk to the public on several occasions, Alvin can refuse to talk to the tea party.
I think he should talk to the tea party. Don't waste a bunch of time on a group that endorsed your opponent. Respond to the questionnaire just be careful as you are talking to a group who has stated their intention to defeat you.
Quote from: wsansewjs on April 20, 2011, 09:29:52 AM
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12425_potheads.jpg)
Source and disclaminer: Google Image. Just random photo, no way of referring to any specific person or their identity.
-Josh
Josh, are those TEA PARTY MEMBERS? I really have a hard time telling with all of their clothes on...
Oh......OCKLAWAHA
I hope he at least wiped his ass with the questionnaire & put it to some good use.
How easily we are manipulated,plodding down paths winding through the mirage of public politic, "press" discourse.
What were the galvanizing events......images actually,that first lodged "Tea Party" during the past couple of years??
Snap out of it.With every reference and thought of "Tea Party",insist instead "Libertarian"
Quote from: north miami on April 20, 2011, 12:18:02 PM
How easily we are manipulated,plodding down paths winding through the mirage of public politic, "press" discourse.
What were the galvanizing events......images actually,that first lodged "Tea Party" during the past couple of years??
Snap out of it.With every reference and thought of "Tea Party",insist instead "Libertarian"
In english please? ::)
There's not much libertarian about current incarnation of Tea Party, particularly in the realm of social issues.
Exactly right, danem. At least in the south, the tea party is nothing different than the moral majority from the 80's, the Buchanan brigades from the 90's, or the 28%ers (those who always approved of Bush) from the Oughts. What Ron Paul started was quickly hijacked by so-cons and theocrats.
I am skeptical of the Tea Party movement not because of their activism, but because of the inconsistencies that I see in their beliefs. The Tea Party movement is very quick to point out how working people, lower classes and the labor unions are bleeding our government dry. This scapegoating is effective because of the still-vivid imagery of the 'welfare queen.' Yet, when it comes to corporations and their influence over government, the Tea Party is unusually silent. I would take the Tea Party movement more serious if they were truly a populist movement that wants government to work better for all Americans. When I see the Tea Party folks, I do not see grassroots, I see AstroTurf - an artificial movement that turns a blind eye to corporate excesses and corruption. They are being used and they do not know it.
exactly jaxson...Billie Tucker's ridiculous contract with JEA was defended as "she has a right to earn a living".
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 20, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
This is ridiculous. So Alvin Brown doesn't want to be associated with the Tea B***ers (hilarious that that word is now practically a racial slur),
I go with Bill Maher's point," i'll stop calling them 'teabaggers" when they stop calling it "Obamacare"!
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 20, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
Ok so let me get this straight. Alvin is wrong because he doesnt want to talk to the "tea party"?? I mean really who the hell are they? Who cares? That his choice. Just like Mike Hogan has refuse to talk to the public on several occasions, Alvin can refuse to talk to the tea party.
10-4 ! Agreed :)
The Tea Party is supporting a guy who is going to give in to every request to the biggest public sector unions in te city and they expect to be taken serious here? ::)
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 20, 2011, 09:05:08 AM
QuoteAnd Mike Hogan agrees to meet with every group that invites him?
If you will check the previous posts in Politics, I think we can both agree that this issue has been brought up more than once. I was simply pointing out that Brown does choose not to attend or associate with certain groups, just the same as Hogan deciding to do the same. Brown makes similar choices, unfortunately fairness does not reign supreme on the MJ site, so I took it upon myself to make sure we all saw the editorial section in today's Times Union.
Talk about fairness.. Look who is talking ? Practice what you preach.
QuotePractice what you preach.
Examples please?
[/quote]
"unfortunately fairness does not reign supreme on the MJ site, so I took it upon myself to make sure we all saw the editorial section in today's Times Union."
[/quote]
Your words.
How does fairness not reign supreme on this site? because not everyone is standing behind your choice?
I think the site does operate with fairness. But that is simply my opinion. Therefore you would never agree, even though I have agreed with some of your postings .
f the parties and factions. I want the smartest candidate. Mike Hogan is reminding me more and more of George W. Does anyone remember that bright bulb? No his own party won't stand behind him after what he caused. Look I don't blame any politician for not debating questions from any bias point of view and I say this for any party. In no way is Brown's point of view going to change the Tea Baggers point of view.
and the same goes for Hogan as well. Let them answer their questions in an open debate.
Absolutely JC .. Careful... M-train has "deaf ears" ;)
I think M Train is going to be a liberal before he knows it.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on April 23, 2011, 12:36:32 PM
and the same goes for Hogan as well. Let them answer their questions in an open debate.
Agree wholeheartedly