This is great news for Alvin and a leveling of the playing field. My hats off to rummell. He has the courage to do the right thing!
It's great news for Jacksonville, for sure. Nice to see so much of Audrey's support flowing to Alvin Brown. Including you and your family in that, too, Matt.
Please call Audrey this weekend for us. Tell her that we love her. Ask her to say something Alvin's way. It can be in the context of her awesome bipartisan/nonpartisan remarks from the night of her concession. But it's time for all the talent to get off the bench.
He could give the 300k out of his own pocket. Make sure someone asks him why his former company, that he helped build moved their HQ out of Jacksonville after 75 years of partnership with Jacksonville. WOW, they must be part of that 17% decrease in tax revenue to 3% that Brown was discussing today.
Ironic how a man who was part of a company that contributed to the downfall of downtown supports the man to wants to rebuild downtown. ::)
Strange that Rummell was out of that job way before the HQ was moved. But nice try.
I wonder how much momentum this will provide? Very exciting.
300k is very exciting when it's time to make TV buys. His name provides momentum. And it really puts the pressure on Ms. Moran. (Who I love...)
Alvin Brown had his best two weeks of fundraising ever. Over $60k reported from 3/26 - 4/8. Huge for momentum. Maybe it pushed Rummell over the top?
I must say this is getting interested. Alvin is pulling all the rabbits out of his hat. I said it once and Ill say it again, dont understimate this guy.
Hogan campaign reports donations of $117,474.91 of that $49.53 in kind. Brown campaign reports donations of $60,594.00 of that a whopping $57,310.85 in kind. Review of reports show most of inkind donation in the Brown camp from the Democrat party.
Rummel and his wife are also supporting Kimberly Daniels for seat 1. Total donation $1,000.00.
Guess its Rummel's Choice.. Daniels wouldn't get my vote
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 15, 2011, 08:09:09 PM
Hogan campaign reports donations of $117,474.91 of that $49.53 in kind. Brown campaign reports donations of $60,594.00 of that a whopping $57,310.85 in kind. Review of reports show most of inkind donation in the Brown camp from the Democrat party.
I haven't looked at the reports but find that hard to believe...I personally know that Alvin raised over $4,000 (not in-kind) on the last day of the reporting period alone.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 15, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
I haven't looked at the reports but find that hard to believe...I personally know that Alvin raised over $4,000 (not in-kind) on the last day of the reporting period alone.
You are correct. Alvin's total haul for the two weeks was 117,904. Over 60K of that was cold, hard cash.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/403455/timothy-gibbons/2011-04-15/fund-raising-kicks-high-gear
I am very proud of what the DEMOCRATIC Party is accomplishing with Alvin Brown. ; )
Quote"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.[1] The term has been used by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.[2]
Multiple reasons are suggested for the use of the term. A 1984 New York Times article suggested Republicans began to use the term when Democrats used their own party name to imply "they are the only true adherents of democracy."[3] Republicans "feared that 'Democratic' suggested Democrats [had] a monopoly on or are somehow the anointed custodians of the concept of democracy."[4] New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote, "There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. 'Democrat Party' is a slur, or intended to be â€" a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but 'Democrat Party' is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams 'rat.'"[5] Political analyst Charlie Cook attributed modern use of the term to force of habit rather than a deliberate epithet by Republicans.[6] Ruth Marcus stated that Republicans likely only continue to employ the term because Democrats dislike it.[7] Marcus stated that disagreements over use of the term are "trivial",[7] and Hertzberg calls use of the term "a minor irritation."[5]
Similar two-word phrases, using "Democrat" as an adjective have been deemed controversial when used as a substitute for "Democratic" (as in "Democrat idea"); NPR has banned the use of "Democrat" as an adjective.[8] The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s.[9] The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)
Same here. It's amazing to see the fire that Alvin is lighting under this city! I never in my wildest dreams would have imagined a Democratic candidate for Mayor who would raise over $60k in two weeks. But here he is, getting the job done. And Rummell (and pals) promising another 300k. And the Moran contributors showing up on Brown's report.
This is going in a good direction. And that was even before Rick Scott draped his arm around Mike Hogan and said: this is my guy. He'll do for Jacksonville what I've done for Florida.
The next 2 weeks will be even bigger. MO-MEN-TUM!!
QuoteDelegates to the Democratic National Committee once proposed using "Publican Party" instead of "Republican Party". The committee failed to accept the proposal "explaining that Republican is the name by which the our opponents' product is known and mistrusted."[2] Sherman Yellen suggested "The Republicants" as suitably comparable in terms of negative connotation in an April 29, 2007 Huffington Post commentary.[36]
On the February 26, 2009 edition of Hardball with Chris Matthews, Republican Representative Darrell Issa referred to "a Democrat Congress". The host, Chris Matthews, took exception, saying:
Well, I think the Democratic Party calls itself the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Do we have to do this every night? Why do people talk like this? Is this just fighting words to get the name on?[37]
Issa denied that he intended to use "fighting words". Matthews replied, "They call themselves the Democratic Party. Let’s just call people what they call themselves and stop the Mickey Mouse here - save that for the stump."[37]
In March 2009, after Representative Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) repeatedly used the phrase "Democrat Party" when questioning U.S. Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag, Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) said:
I’d like to begin by saying to my colleague from Texas that there isn’t a single member on this side of the aisle that belongs to the “Democrat Party.†We belong to the Democratic Party. So the party you were referring to doesn’t even exist. And I would just appreciate the courtesy when you’re referring to our party, if you’re referring to the Democratic Party, to refer to it as such.[38]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)
Quote from: Jimmy on April 15, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Same here. It's amazing to see the fire that Alvin is lighting under this city! I never in my wildest dreams would have imagined a Democratic candidate for Mayor who would raise over $60k in two weeks. But here he is, getting the job done. And Rummell (and pals) promising another 300k. And the Moran contributors showing up on Brown's report.
This is going in a good direction. And that was even before Rick Scott draped his arm around Mike Hogan and said: this is my guy. He'll do for Jacksonville what I've done for Florida.
The next 2 weeks will be even bigger. MO-MEN-TUM!!
Amen, Jimmy!
Yay, go Alvin Brown. So proud of the Democratic Party tonight, and soooo proud of our Republican friends!!!!
We can do this!
And it's about time.
As Alvin Brown says: "lets take Jacksonville to the next level"
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 15, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 15, 2011, 08:09:09 PM
Hogan campaign reports donations of $117,474.91 of that $49.53 in kind. Brown campaign reports donations of $60,594.00 of that a whopping $57,310.85 in kind. Review of reports show most of inkind donation in the Brown camp from the Democrat party.
I haven't looked at the reports but find that hard to believe...I personally know that Alvin raised over $4,000 (not in-kind) on the last day of the reporting period alone.
yep..in fact the T-U said this:
QuoteHogan brought in $117,474 in cash and $49 in in-kind contributions over the period between March 26 and April 8. During that period, he spent $38,196, mostly on media production.
Brown raised $60,594 in cash plus another $57,310 the Florida Democratic Party kicked in to pay for staff. The campaign spent $22,852, with much of the money going to about 60 field team members.
Nice spin Diane!
@tufsu1 I posted the TU link yesterday rather than adjust my original post which should have indicated what was cash and what was inkind. I thought that would be clear to everyone. Apparently not. My wording was an error, not spin which I corrected by posting the link rather than lord forbid be accused of altering my origal post. Why is it that the multitude of folks on the forum who agree can discuss, post and type at will, but someone who has dared to speak their views that don't happen to agree with the majority on this board are spinning or as claimed yesterday, trolling? Or better yet be called pimping for Hogan or the butt of some ill intended cartoon attempting to equate me with a "HO", I believe. It really is a shame.
At no point have I attacked others views. I have repeatedly said everyone has the right to their own choice for mayor and I for one respect that right. I have shared my views and made my points according to my experience, knowledge and insight and admonished folks to vote for the candidate of their choice. I understand that people feel cynicism toward all politics and a reasonable amount of that is needed, but when it clouds all discussion and places anyone with an opposing view as spinning, pimping or worse, it insults the integrity of all of us who believe fair and open discourse is a path to sound change. Sorry so many seem to miss the point. Now having said all of this, I will sit back and wait for the next slur or insult and be thinking to myself how much opportunity for understanding is being lost here.
Stephen, thank you for again using the opportunity for discussion and understanding as instead a backhanded slight aimed at my thoughts or integrity. I know you think remarks like this are profound, clever and witty. Your way with words as it were. It just goes to the point I was making in the post you responded to. I fully understand people can decide for themselves how to receive or not receive others ideas. You just feel the need to tweak anything and everything said with a caustic response meant to say to those who agree with you, yeah, stick with me kids, I am the clever one, if you are clever too, you will stand with me and my superior intellect. Watch how cleverly I can dismiss and insult others. It's the pattern you use in discussion to try and disarm others or weaken their statements and then smugly sit back thinking you have taken someone down a few pegs, when in fact you have not. Veiled insults are still insults and personal attacks are still personal attacks no matter how you pretty then up with clever wording. It is unneeded when people, as you say are able to decide for themselves what they agree with or not. Now go and see if you can find some clever cartoon to post. Make sure it is insulting enough and then continue as you always do. I expect nothing different.
Diane, what did you expect?
You posted here implying that the candidate you personally support, Mike Hogan, is receiving double the financial support Alvin Brown is receiving. You took the figures out of a newspaper article, and stated that Brown took in $60,594 in contributions and that $57,310 of that amount was in kind, while you *somehow* miraculously left out the 3 words from the article you were quoting, that explain how that was actually a separate contribution by the DPoF on top of the $60.5k. Meaning that Brown actually received more total contributions than Hogan.
So, the truth was actually the exact opposite of your statement. If someone points this out it's a "backhanded slight"?
It's just the truth.
Stephen, I am posting this brief response to you without reading what you wrote past the first two words, where you used one of your standard fall backs, which is to call someones post bizarre. One your favorite comebacks to be sure along with "Pardon", "That's Silly", "Some animals kidneys" etc. etc. etc. I am over that. Do your thing man and make yourself feel good. Carry on in your own style and continue to pretend your intellect reigns supreme. No one is challenging you. Clearly you have free reign here and what you say and do nomatter how outrageous is up to you. It is clear that for you it is getting the upper hand that is paramount, so let me just let you have it here on your own turf. You can respond using as much clever dialog as you want. This is my last word. Make your next shot a good one and know I won't read it.
Chris, I actually did not expect much more that the current tone and environment. My mistake was in hoping that the forum was one where open dialog and differing views was welcome. My mistake. I get it. It's conform, agree or hit the bricks.
I don't think that it is about agreeing or disagreeing. I have had my share of sparring with other metrojacksonville posters, but I disagree and move on. I have great respect for the people who engage in our civic dialogue. I am concerned, however, by the tactics that many resort to. I think that we can disagree without being disagreeable. In many cases, we are locking shields and not swords - but it can be quite bruising regardless...
...and I still believe that a person can profess support for their candidate without engaging in a flame war that leaves no piece of earth unscorched. While it might score points with their new friends, it serves to damage their otherwise sterling reputation.
Now, back to the Rummell endorsement... Who would like to guess where the next Alvin Brown endorsement will come from? I am looking forward to more endorsements now that Rummell has taken such a brave step...
Part of your statement included the word tactics Jaxson. The problem is that opposing views here are construed as tactics when they are nothing more than an attempt at discourse. If you post on this forum anywhere outside of the majority view, you are open to being labled any number of unflattering things. Piling on is also encouraged. What is amazing is any discussion about Brown is not considered pimping a candidate as I was accused of when I posted my views about Hogan. It is instead understood that all discussion that is in line with majority beliefs in this case supporting Brown (used to be Audrey) is within bounds. Those who disagree are here with an ulterior motive.
I think some wonderful opportunities have been lost on this forum because of its polarization. A look at the on line Poll for mayor says that clearly enough. In fact, of the few votes for Hogan, someone had to snark about the veracity of those votes. Nothing is close to even handed.
So if Brown wins, the majority here can all look to him with your expectations and hope that he takes to heart all the good ideas the main Metrojacksonville website discusses, many of which he was unaware of until getting into this election. Those of you who have been around for years may remember that some of the first doors opened to discussion at JTA and City hall for Lakelander and others were opened by myself and Councilwoman Johnson at my urging because I see how good the ideas are. Some of you will remember when I took JTA to task at city hall meetings for attacking and interupting Lakelander and Ock. Unknown to most of you I have been working very hard at pointing out all of the good and wonderful ideas to another candidate who is also in the race and may be our next mayor. I did not want the good ideas lost in forum banter. If Hogan wins, then you have pretty much slammed the door in his face and I wonder how it is that there is any expectation that all the horrible statements and accusations will simply be water under the bridge.
All I see are the opportunities lost. If it is really about what is best for Jacksonville, there should in my view be openminded discussion. I did not think that was too much to expect. Apparently, I was wrong.
Supporting a GOB old-timer is not what I call open-minded.
And please DM, I'd like to be able to focus on the candidates rather than your perceived sleights.
If you must know, I feel extremely sleighted by a Dem who openly, and actively is supporting an arch conservative. Plain and simple.
There is no way you can at all justify that in my opinion, and the way you've been contradicting yourself from day to day proves that.
We are all very clear that you support arch conservative MH, so you don't have much more to add to that. Hey I've made a nuisance of myself too with a lot of the progessive stuff I post..........but at least I am consistant and sometimes I lay off for a few weeks.........to give everyone a break ;D
I'm with Jaxson, I want to focus now on who will be endorsing Alvin Brown next.
Meantime I have been sign waving for Alvin on Blanding this morning, and had lots of fun with fellow Alvin supporters. Lot of honks and waves. One driver even rolled down his window and asked me for more information about Alvin, so we're getting the word out big time!!!!
Okay, Faye has now jumped on the pile. How many of you does that make in this one poor thread? LOL Look the tenor of the forum is clear as well as the polarized views. It's okay. You can all continue on unchallenged. There is no discussion to be had at this point, just posturing and you can all have at it.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 16, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
Okay, Faye has now jumped on the pile. How many of you does that make in this one poor thread? LOL Look the tenor of the forum is clear as well as the polarized views. It's okay. You can all continue on unchallenged. There is no discussion to be had at this point, just posturing and you can all have at it.
Thank you DM. I see genuine authenticity among most posters, but not with you. I love Jimmy and other's posts because they are short and to the point.
You think lengthy drawn-out posts aren't posturing?
Maybe get some others to speak on Hogan's behalf too..........it really hurts your credibility. I'm also getting a bit tired of you being the center of attention here. And you keep saying it's your last post ::)
I've said it too once (believe me, it wasn't easy on MJ as a Progressive ;D )..........but then I really WAS gone for several months.
I have considered myself to be an admirer of DM (And hold out hope to stay on good terms), but was surprised how she went off on me for pointing out that a comment that she made about Alvin Brown learning to dance was supposedly tossing red herrings into the discussion. You can see the exchange on "Alvin Brown says he is non partisan." Besides the fact that there are some Mike Hogan supporters or sympathizers (mtrain anyone?), I do not believe that a grown woman like DM can continue to claim that she is the victim. After all, its the Dems that are weak, right? Are we piling onto anyone? I do not expect anyone to post comments and have anyone accept their comments for gospel. Want a vehicle where your opinion reigns supreme? Start up a blog and write away. The back and forth on this site can get rough, but only a masochist would keep coming back if he or she really felt persecuted.
Quote from: FayeforCure on April 16, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 16, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
Okay, Faye has now jumped on the pile. How many of you does that make in this one poor thread? LOL Look the tenor of the forum is clear as well as the polarized views. It's okay. You can all continue on unchallenged. There is no discussion to be had at this point, just posturing and you can all have at it.
Maybe get some others to speak on Hogan's behalf too..........
It would be nice if Mike would speak on his own behalf in a public forum.
This race needs a serious intellectual discussion on serious issues amongst the candidates, not just amongst the various supporters and advocates that may or may not accurately represent or articulate actual positions or priorities.
Quote from: stephendare on April 16, 2011, 01:47:55 PM
I think thats what Diane finds so enraging about "Tofu". "The Truth" has had no choice except to be a backhanded sleight towards Diane's more ophidian insinuations.
did you just call the poster Tofu "the truth" :)
QuoteI have considered myself to be an admirer of DM (And hold out hope to stay on good terms), but was surprised how she went off on me for pointing out that a comment that she made about Alvin Brown learning to dance was supposedly tossing red herrings into the discussion. You can see the exchange on "Alvin Brown says he is non partisan." Besides the fact that there are some Mike Hogan supporters or sympathizers (mtrain anyone?), I do not believe that a grown woman like DM can continue to claim that she is the victim. After all, its the Dems that are weak, right? Are we piling onto anyone? I do not expect anyone to post comments and have anyone accept their comments for gospel. Want a vehicle where your opinion reigns supreme? Start up a blog and write away. The back and forth on this site can get rough, but only a masochist would keep coming back if he or she really felt persecuted.
Agreed! Good discussion!!