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Title: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: tufsu1 on April 15, 2011, 07:58:43 AM
I am a bit concerned about this proposal...I encourage everyone to contact their council members...perhaps the bill would be better if it placed a moratorium on fair share payments UNTIL the new mobility plan is adopted and in place (hopefully a lot less than 3 years).

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-04-15/story/jacksonville-council-leader-pitches-break-development-fees
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Jdog on April 15, 2011, 08:22:01 AM
I do like the requirement that projects must be completed within a certain time-frame...way better than just started.   

Seems like there's enough housing...could a moratorium distinguish between commercial businesses and residential developments? 


Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: dougskiles on April 15, 2011, 08:53:14 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with this if we also put a 20-year moratorium on ALL road building and widening in those same areas.  If people want to develop property and live in congested areas - let them have it.  But don't make the rest of us subsidize it.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: tufsu1 on April 15, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
yes jdog...one could put a moratorium on certain types of developments...although those types of moratoriums don't stand up well in court.

In this case, the City could waive fair share fee collection for certain land uses...they already do this with some types of industrial/warehouse development
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
It will be interesting to see how the general public, tea party and fiscal conservatives of this city react to this proposal.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2011, 02:22:36 PM
Oh, as for the question.  If there is a three year moratorium on concurrency or mobility fees, it means a 3 year delay on any projects being funded by it and a loss in fee income by projects developed during the moratorium period.  So the traffic impacts those projects cause (a more expensive cost then the few low paying jobs created) will fall directly on the back of the taxpayer.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: dougskiles on April 15, 2011, 02:30:47 PM
Has anyone on city council stepped up in opposition to Webb's proposed bill?
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: John P on April 15, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
If metrojacksonville has a master email list now would be the time to send a blast to everyone asking them to write the city council.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: fieldafm on April 15, 2011, 03:05:03 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on April 15, 2011, 02:30:47 PM
Has anyone on city council stepped up in opposition to Webb's proposed bill?

At this point... nope.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 15, 2011, 05:19:58 PM
Time to smack them with a MJ video on things that could be, and what will be with this stupid move.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on April 15, 2011, 05:57:41 PM
Where does this put the mobility plan?
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2011, 09:11:58 PM
Still going forward at this point. My guess in the dark would be that the mobility plan replaces concurrency regardless of what happens with this proposal.  The question would be whether it starts generating funds this year or in 2014/15.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Jdog on April 23, 2011, 05:28:52 PM
Can anyone provide a quick and broad overview of how the Mobility Plan works? 
Also, any references to where I can get more details re: this and what is going on right now?

Need some education over here on this one.     
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Timkin on April 23, 2011, 05:29:41 PM
Myself, as well Jdog.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: thelakelander on April 23, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
In short, the mobility plan attempts to have sprawl based development pay for itself while also encouraging infill and transit use by working to better utilize infrastructure that we already have in place.  When a property is developed, that builder/resident will pay a certain fee for the amount of wear and tear their project will put on the local infrastructure network.  When that pot grows, it will go to fund a mobility improvement within their specific area of town.

These areas are known as mobility zones and they have been created to make sure that projects within them align with the needs and desires of those specific communities.  Thus, in the urban core, instead of demolishing historic structures, parks, etc. to widen constrained roadways, better transit use is a higher priority.  In suburban areas, instead of paying to widen expressways, parallel streets like Philips Highway would be improved to include and sidewalks, bike facilities along with auto oriented capacity improvements.  In addition, land use policies on these roadways have been modified to allow for higher pedestrian friendly mixed-use developments.  In the long term, integrating land use with mobility will create an environment where residents can walk or bike to some services as opposed to always been forced to drive for all trips.  All of this is intended to be funded without taking more money from the general public, which is pretty innovative and creative, imo.

Here is a good basic description of the plan:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-dec-2030-mobility-plan-presentation
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Charles Hunter on April 23, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
If there is a moratorium, or the fees made low so they don't "hurt job creation" there will be no way to fund the plan, and development subsidized by the rest of us will continue - someone will have to pay for the improvements.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: thelakelander on April 23, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
Correct.  If there is a moratorium, the cost of development will continue to be subsidized by the rest of us.  Considering we don't have any money now, this means at some point, a major tax increase would be needed.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Charles Hunter on April 23, 2011, 08:38:59 PM
It is a good idea, if the politicians don't screw it up.
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: tufsu1 on April 23, 2011, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on April 23, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
Correct.  If there is a moratorium, the cost of development will continue to be subsidized by the rest of us.  Considering we don't have any money now, this means at some point, a major tax increase would be needed.

or we just ignore the problems, let congestion grow, and limit mobility...of course, at some point that will hurt job growth...oops!
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on April 23, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
"Job Growth" = Cronyism
Title: Re: Concurrency Moratorium - How will this affect the Mobility Plan?
Post by: dougskiles on April 24, 2011, 05:33:40 AM
Quote from: Dashing Dan on April 23, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
"Job Growth" = Cronyism

+1

There have been many selfish acts performed under the disguise of 'creating jobs'.  Most often we are simply moving jobs from one part of town to another - like from downtown to southpoint.