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Godbold said he believes Hogan is more experienced and knows Jacksonville better than his opponent, Alvin Brown.
Godbold received some criticism for accepting what he said was $8,000 â€" $4,000 a month â€" from Moran’s campaign to serve as a consultant. He said he has not sought and won't receive any payment from Hogan.
Godbold said he decided to help Hogan after recently meeting with him and assessing whether Hogan or Brown had the stronger background to lead.
He said he also hopes Hogan will make improving downtown more of a priority than he has suggested.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2011-04-13/story/former-mayor-jake-godbold-latest-publicly-join-mike-hogan-train-brown#ixzz1JRePbxDD
Money quote:
"...Godbold said he believes Hogan’s promise to cut spending and not to raise taxes to preserve essential services is unrealistic in the current dire economic times."
So, he disagrees with the central premise of the Hogan campaign, yet supports him for Mayor.
Gotta love Jake! :)
QuoteGodbold said he decided to help Hogan after recently meeting with him and assessing whether Hogan or Brown had the stronger background to lead.
"I think Alvin's problem is he doesn't know enough people here. He doesn't know the inside of what makes people tick around here," Godbold said.
He believes Hogan has stronger background, knowledge of Jacksonville than Alvin Brown
WOW, I know earth-shattering, but apparently MJ posters know Alvin. That has to count for something!
This is what I am trying to get across about local politics Jimmy. People can and will support a candidate even if they do not agree with the entire platform of the candidate. Jake took Moran's money and when he saw which way the wind was blowing, he endorsed Hogan over Brown. He points to experience as the reason for that decision and he was not paid to say what he did. In another breath he talks up Brown after dissing him. Notice a pattern here?
Like I said, you can't take politics personally and things can and will change. I think this also gives credence to Shelton's expose on why the Dem party has the problems it does.
Well, when push comes to shove and Democrats won't support the only Democrat running for Mayor... then yes, that does point to some serious problems with the local party. And even bigger problems with local Democrats.
And let me save you the need for another breathless endorsement post.
Hogan today also announced that he has been endorsed by Jeb Bush and will have a rally with Rick Scott at Hogan HQ on Friday. I'm sure as a Democrat that makes you super proud, Diane.
You and others I hope are beginning to see the real problem. It's not the Republicans holding down Dems. It's the Dem's themselves. I hope some eyes are beginning to open and I hope folks begin to realize why as a life long Dem I have been harsh on the party lately. Dem's will mess over their own if they have to. It is going to take a change in the way business is done within the local party and at the state level. Otherwise you will continue to see the same pattern. Over and over.
I was never a Godbold fan. I wasn't happy when he endorsed Audrey Moran.
QuoteHogan today also announced that he has been endorsed by Jeb Bush and will have a rally with Rick Scott at Hogan HQ on Friday.
It's OK, we had to wait for Bill Nelson to leave the city for the smell he left behind after his endorsement. Although I cannot wait for Bill Clinton to come to town, although he is more of a Republican than a Democrat. Heck I might even turn out to see slick Willie.
Jimmy, I am an American first.
I have never been a "party" Democrat because I think the State and Local party is another extension of the status quo. I would never have remained a Dem all these years if party actions were the basis of serious life choices. I think the party is messed over. I will remain a Dem but will never accept what being a Dem in the current context in Jacksonville means. I will also work with the people in various parties when my heart and mind says they will do the best job for the people.
Regarless of political party, we are all in this together. I will say this much. I believe blind obedience to a party that eats it's own while pretending to be progressive is not at all what I think being a Dem is about.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 13, 2011, 06:55:38 PM
QuoteHogan today also announced that he has been endorsed by Jeb Bush and will have a rally with Rick Scott at Hogan HQ on Friday.
It's OK, we had to wait for Bill Nelson to leave the city for the smell he left behind after his endorsement. Although I cannot wait for Bill Clinton to come to town, although he is more of a Republican than a Democrat. Heck I might even turn out to see slick Willie.
I doubt that the Republicans will ever claim Bill Clinton as one of their own in our lifetime...
@MTrain. I don't see how slandering Nelson is helpful to open discussion. We have all got to grow beyond that type of verbal jab. That is course is my opinion.
I am simply amazed that Jake Godbold, who was one of the best salesmen for downtown Jacksonville, is backing the candidate who couldn't give a [censored] about the central business district. If Hogan wins, prepare for the Doughnut City of the South. There will be a lot on the perimeter, but nothing in the middle.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
@MTrain. I don't see how slandering Nelson is helpful to open discussion. We have all got to grow beyond that type of verbal jab. That is course is my opinion.
I agree with Diane.
We will have to work harder. Embrace Dolores Weavers endorsement. And follow Alvins campaign strategy. We must work hard.
I know many will not want to hear this yet, but Hogan is not dismissive of downtown. It remains important but will likely not receive the laser focus that posters here would like to see immediately. That does not equate to forgetting downtown or any other area for that matter. It is what the first step has got to be. We are in a very, very, serious financial hole. We have and continue to abuse tax dollars and assets. The first priority has got to be fixing the financial mess the city is in. What folks may be dismissing is the possibility that serious steps will be taken to fix the budget, review procedures and begin again where it is needed. When Jacksonville gets healthy, downtown will get healthy, but that will be more difficult if people are talking down it's future before the election is over and a person is in office.
Lakelander has shared some excellent ideas for beginning to heal downtown that don't require tons of money, just a willingness to do some things differently. There is much that can be done, but it will take cooperation as opposed to agitation to get there. I would like to see us all get there and all areas of the city be better for it.
A GOB endorses another GOB. Not exactly surprising.
A fear of those that have a different background or are 'not from around here' is part of what holds Jax back,IMO.
BTW, if Hogan wins, please know that his MJ supporters on here will be held accountable when Hogan enacts his Rick Scott Jr. agenda. Just letting you know.
Diane, 'blind allegiance' to party, is in the DNA of the Republican party hierarchy and most party members. In Duval, in FL, in the US.
Also, if Hogan has some thoughts regarding DT, then why will he not share them? The reason is the because doing so would be repugnant to his Tea Party followers. Just like telling the TRUTH about taxes and pensions, would be repugnant to the party and the Police/Fire unions respectively.
Based on this week's events, it appears to me that there is a party that is marching lockstep and it is not the Democrats. Audrey Moran Republicans seem to be running scared and seem to be shying away from endorsing Brown although his ideas may be more in sync with their moderate beliefs. The Mullaney folks, however, did not hesitate to throw their support behind Hogan. And what is the driving force behind supporting Hogan. He promises not to raise taxes. I think that I have heard that before somewhere.
I think the difference may be that the Republicans have always understood the game of politics in Florida. Democrats are too often not on the same page. Whomever gets into office will be held responsible by all the citizens but it is worth remembering recent elections and how some folks in office did not even draw opponents and those who were told they would be booted by the people are still sitting pretty. If you follow politics you hear the "they will be held accountable" statement daily. It does not seem to accomplish much. Working together is a better way to reach goals at the local level. Wasn't it Moran who said party should not matter at this level? People have got to act on that notion, not just say it.
Mike Hogan happens to on tv right now on the Robbie Gould show (channel 99 on my tv). He mentioned that while job creation is important, government doesn't create jobs. He said government can facilitate the private sector to create jobs by:
1. Removing regulations that stymie the private sector
2. Lowering taxes
He said those are his two top priorities. He also mentioned the city's budget will be set by the amount of revenue it takes in. Assuming he's elected, we'll just have to learn how to do more with less. In the case of downtown, that may not be a bad thing considering we've spent over $2 billion over the last two decades and its still in a free fall. On the other hand, Riverside's Park & King is storming into urban Jacksonville's next hot dining and entertainment district without any city help.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
Mike Hogan happens to on tv right now on the Robbie Gould show (channel 99 on my tv). He mentioned that while job creation is important, government doesn't create jobs. He said government can facilitate the private sector to create jobs by:
1. Removing regulations that stymie the private sector
2. Lowering taxes
He said those are his two top priorities. He also mentioned the city's budget will be set by the amount of revenue it takes in. Assuming he's elected, we'll just have to learn how to do more with less.
Turn the clock back to pre-November, and this would align perfectly with Rick Scott's script. Add the strategy of avoiding the press, debates, and public forums and the similarities are multiplied. Will Hogan undo decades of bi-partisan public policy in one fell swoop casuing the voters to swoon with regret once again?
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
Mike Hogan happens to on tv right now on the Robbie Gould show (channel 99 on my tv). He mentioned that while job creation is important, government doesn't create jobs. He said government can facilitate the private sector to create jobs by:
1. Removing regulations that stymie the private sector
2. Lowering taxes
He said those are his two top priorities. He also mentioned the city's budget will be set by the amount of revenue it takes in. Assuming he's elected, we'll just have to learn how to do more with less. In the case of downtown, that may not be a bad thing considering we've spent over $2 billion over the last two decades and its still in a free fall. On the other hand, Riverside's Park & King is storming into urban Jacksonville's next hot dining and entertainment district without any city help.
I talked to someone today who is relocating from Jacksonville to San Francisco. They can't find housing because as soon as it goes on the market, it's gone - at crazy-high prices. The San Francisco area is creating jobs and the private sector economy there is surging in many niches - and it has nothing to do with deregulation or low taxes.
Steve, what is San Francisco doing from a public perspective to keep surging ahead economically? Are they making continued investment in public infrastructure and quality of life offerings? One of the things I believe we overlook locally is that all job creation isn't good. In addition, if the goal is to stimulate job growth in certain sectors, we're going to have to better invest and utilize public assets that create the type of atmosphere that skilled workers and companies in these sectors seek. I truly believe many of these things can be done within the current budget. However, to do so, it will mean changing our accepted growth patterns and public policy. For example, I find it absolutely insane that over the last decade, $237 million has, is or is proposed to go to Collins Road improvements. Imagine if a fraction of the local money spent on that thing (and other corridors like it) was diverted into keeping libraries open, maintaining parks and enhancing public schools?
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
On the other hand, Riverside's Park & King is storming into urban Jacksonville's next hot dining and entertainment district without any city help.
not quite true...the City did a pretty major streetscape project a few years ago...would these happen in a Hogan administration?
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 13, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
On the other hand, Riverside's Park & King is storming into urban Jacksonville's next hot dining and entertainment district without any city help.
not quite true...the City did a pretty major streetscape project a few years ago...would these happen in a Hogan administration?
That streetscape project was completed nearly five years ago and does not stretch to the breweries. Its highly questionable to suggest that new pavers resulted in the recent growth of entertainment options in the area. For example, right up the street, Five Points came back years before the sidewalk improvements were done. Better yet, the abundance of affordable spaces, existing building stock, urban pioneers, little speculation had a lot more to do with it.
agreed...was just noting that the City made a public investment in the areas...which may been a spark for someof the early private development (like Kickbacks).
Steve in a way that is apples to oranges because SanFrancisco is a completely different style city and they don't have to take into account a total of 842 square miles of land, which is what comprises consolidated Jacksonville. I think in Jacksonville, especially in recent years we have lost who we are as a city and people. We have tried to create it saying "Bold City" or "Place Where Florida Begins", "Emerald Necklace" etc. What's wrong with Historic Jacksonville, a southern city with charm and style? We have had many people with visions and ideas of what Jacksonville and our dowtown should look like but those visions clearly have not embraced who we really are as a diverse southern city.
I'll give you an example of what I mean. Folks like to visit and live in places like Savannah and Charleston. Very often people will speak to the laid back southern charm and historic feeling they get there. Those cities have embraced their roots as Southern cities and they own who they are. We have a terrible opinion of ourselves in Jackonville because we have allowed folks to equate Southern with backwards. We are not backwards. We have never allowed Jacksonville to be who and what it is. We have tried to make our city into something it isn't largely based upon costly and failed political agendas. Now it has caught up with us.
Could it be that we had to get to this point to realize the wasted dollars and assets? Were we not strong enough to be who we are and have that include growth and prosperity? Are our negative ways or apathy our own worst enemy?
I think that it is more than possible to have a vibrant downtown and communities that are a draw not only because of location, but because of the essence of our people. Who and what is Jacksonville? Well, we are Southern, by history, location, beliefs and lifestyle but we fight that because we somehow think urban lifestyle has to be designed rather than encouraged to become its own personality. We have failed to recognize the wonder of our history when it comes to areas like LaVilla, which someone decided didn't fit the vison and wiped the Black Harlem of the South off the map. We see the flavor of our past in Avondale, Springfield, Riverside, Ortega, San Marco and other areas, but they are islands unto themselves. Downtown is also an island unto itself with conflicted views of what progress looks like. We have not had bi-partisan action here for ages. It doesn't have to be that way and fixing what is wrong with how we handle our money and future is not a bad thing.
We have so much more to offer than most cities but we have not been smart or even handed when taking care of ourselves and our assets. We must revisit who and what we are and start again from a sound foundation using clear thinking and changing the negative way we see ourselves and community. This of course is my opinion and I speak for no one but myself, but it is what I feel about where we are.
Stephen, I am and should not be the story. I am not that important. I love my city and it's people as much as ever. I am still very much who and what I have always been. :)
Quote from: Jaxson on April 13, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
@MTrain. I don't see how slandering Nelson is helpful to open discussion. We have all got to grow beyond that type of verbal jab. That is course is my opinion.
I agree with Diane.
Surely by now, you two know that this is what M-train is best at. Ive been dealing with his jabs for far longer than this election. You're wasting your breath.
With regard to Jake's endorsement, this does not come as any great shock to me. Bottom line if I had my first choice for Mayor , it would have been Glorious. Not only do I like her personally, but I think she has the integrity for the position. That was not to be. Next would have been Audrey Moran... Outdone by the good ole boys .. Right M-Train?
So that left us with two that would not have been my choices... And win or lose, I am sticking with my choice of Alvin Brown, and hoping for the best. If Mike Hogan wins , so be it.
Frankly I'm tired of the pissing match this has become :(
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 09:23:41 PM
Steve, what is San Francisco doing from a public perspective to keep surging ahead economically? Are they making continued investment in public infrastructure and quality of life offerings? One of the things I believe we overlook locally is that all job creation isn't good. In addition, if the goal is to stimulate job growth in certain sectors, we're going to have to better invest and utilize public assets that create the type of atmosphere that skilled workers and companies in these sectors seek. I truly believe many of these things can be done within the current budget. However, to do so, it will mean changing our accepted growth patterns and public policy. For example, I find it absolutely insane that over the last decade, $237 million has, is or is proposed to go to Collins Road improvements. Imagine if a fraction of the local money spent on that thing (and other corridors like it) was diverted into keeping libraries open, maintaining parks and enhancing public schools?
From a public perspective they are progressive and innovative. Private-sector innovation, investment, and entrepreneurship follows a progressive, innovative public sector far more enthusiastically than a public sector focused purely on deregulation and low taxes (least common denominator). I suspect industries that need that least common denominator approach may not be the sustainable industries that a healthy long-term economy is built on.
If we're going to be serious about building a better city in Jacksonville, we need to innovate in all aspects of public sector leadership rather than to fall back to the lowest common denominator.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
Steve in a way that is apples to oranges because SanFrancisco is a completely different style city and they don't have to take into account a total of 842 square miles of land, which is what comprises consolidated Jacksonville. I think in Jacksonville, especially in recent years we have lost who we are as a city and people. We have tried to create it saying "Bold City" or "Place Where Florida Begins", "Emerald Necklace" etc. What's wrong with Historic Jacksonville, a southern city with charm and style? We have had many people with visions and ideas of what Jacksonville and our dowtown should look like but those visions clearly have not embraced who we really are as a diverse southern city.
I'll give you an example of what I mean. Folks like to visit and live in places like Savannah and Charleston. Very often people will speak to the laid back southern charm and historic feeling they get there. Those cities have embraced their roots as Southern cities and they own who they are. We have a terrible opinion of ourselves in Jackonville because we have allowed folks to equate Southern with backwards. We are not backwards. We have never allowed Jacksonville to be who and what it is. We have tried to make our city into something it isn't largely based upon costly and failed political agendas. Now it has caught up with us.
Could it be that we had to get to this point to realize the wasted dollars and assets? Were we not strong enough to be who we are and have that include growth and prosperity? Are our negative ways or apathy our own worst enemy?
I think that it is more than possible to have a vibrant downtown and communities that are a draw not only because of location, but because of the essence of our people. Who and what is Jacksonville? Well, we are Southern, by history, location, beliefs and lifestyle but we fight that because we somehow think urban lifestyle has to be designed rather than encouraged to become its own personality. We have failed to recognize the wonder of our history when it comes to areas like LaVilla, which someone decided didn't fit the vison and wiped the Black Harlem of the South off the map. We see the flavor of our past in Avondale, Springfield, Riverside, Ortega, San Marco and other areas, but they are islands unto themselves. Downtown is also an island unto itself with conflicted views of what progress looks like. We have not had bi-partisan action here for ages. It doesn't have to be that way and fixing what is wrong with how we handle our money and future is not a bad thing.
We have so much more to offer than most cities but we have not been smart or even handed when taking care of ourselves and our assets. We must revisit who and what we are and start again from a sound foundation using clear thinking and changing the negative way we see ourselves and community. This of course is my opinion and I speak for no one but myself, but it is what I feel about where we are.
Stephen, I am and should not be the story. I am not that important. I love my city and it's people as much as ever. I am still very much who and what I have always been. :)
Diane,
Who is the "we" you are referring to?
I mean we as a city can work together and see ourselves in a more positive light. We can work together. That kind of we. Not a person by person we. LOL
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Jimmy, I am an American first.
I have never been a "party" Democrat because I think the State and Local party is another extension of the status quo. I would never have remained a Dem all these years if party actions were the basis of serious life choices. I think the party is messed over. I will remain a Dem but will never accept what being a Dem in the current context in Jacksonville means. I will also work with the people in various parties when my heart and mind says they will do the best job for the people.
Regarless of political party, we are all in this together. I will say this much. I believe blind obedience to a party that eats it's own while pretending to be progressive is not at all what I think being a Dem is about.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't poor treatment by the party (GOP) the reason why Glorious changed to a Democrat? The GOP is just as bad as Dems.
As for Godbold endorsing Hogan....personally, I could care less. Hogan may want to cut the budget, but with him being in the same arena as Scott...hell, look what he's doing to our state.
Quote from: Livein32206 on April 14, 2011, 07:27:15 AM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Jimmy, I am an American first.
I have never been a "party" Democrat because I think the State and Local party is another extension of the status quo. I would never have remained a Dem all these years if party actions were the basis of serious life choices. I think the party is messed over. I will remain a Dem but will never accept what being a Dem in the current context in Jacksonville means. I will also work with the people in various parties when my heart and mind says they will do the best job for the people.
Regarless of political party, we are all in this together. I will say this much. I believe blind obedience to a party that eats it's own while pretending to be progressive is not at all what I think being a Dem is about.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't poor treatment by the party (GOP) the reason why Glorious changed to a Democrat? The GOP is just as bad as Dems.
As for Godbold endorsing Hogan....personally, I could care less. Hogan may want to cut the budget, but with him being in the same arena as Scott...hell, look what he's doing to our state.
Excellent point about Glorious Johnson.
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
Quote from: stephendare on April 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Garden guy on April 14, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
This statement is so off base that it makes you sound ignorant garden guy. Perhaps you should discard the stereotypes before speaking about a man whose career has been completely public.
When (the most)progressive(liberal) democrat of Jacksonville endorses (the most) conservative (tea bag endorsed) republican of Jacksonville, GGs allegation goes with the territory!
Quote from: Steve_Lovett on April 13, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on April 13, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
Mike Hogan happens to on tv right now on the Robbie Gould show (channel 99 on my tv). He mentioned that while job creation is important, government doesn't create jobs. He said government can facilitate the private sector to create jobs by:
1. Removing regulations that stymie the private sector
2. Lowering taxes
He said those are his two top priorities. He also mentioned the city's budget will be set by the amount of revenue it takes in. Assuming he's elected, we'll just have to learn how to do more with less. In the case of downtown, that may not be a bad thing considering we've spent over $2 billion over the last two decades and its still in a free fall. On the other hand, Riverside's Park & King is storming into urban Jacksonville's next hot dining and entertainment district without any city help.
I talked to someone today who is relocating from Jacksonville to San Francisco. They can't find housing because as soon as it goes on the market, it's gone - at crazy-high prices. The San Francisco area is creating jobs and the private sector economy there is surging in many niches - and it has nothing to do with deregulation or low taxes.
San Francisco has much higher costs of living (traditionally highest in the country) vs Jax (among the lowest in metro areas) The flip? Identical jobs get paid twice as much in San Fran as in Jax. I encountered this with many NYers who loved Jax (never met one who didnt) but wouldnt accept the (huge) drop in income.
Yes it is. Wow, those posts are great prices! i had no idea!
Ooops i think we are off the thread a bit!
Jake was a great mayor. i wasnt in jax when he left office, so i cant relive the experience of Ed Austin, Maloney, et al. But , for my money, he was the city's best mayor. More reason i was a bit disappointed in his endorsement of Hogan. Accordingly, Mayor Godbold should stand up for GGs allegations on his own.
Godbold was our best and most progressive mayor hands down. Even though he's endorsing Hogan, let's hope he can stir him in the right direction. As long as godbold is in the picture, whether its for hogan or brown, it is a good thing. Godbold's works speak for themselves.
Of subject, back when that Michael Jackson tour came here in the 80's guess who orchestrated that... Jake Godbold. He made the right calls and made it happen. He wanted to put Jacksonville on the map everyway possible. If he can enstil that passion in Hogan, the sky is the limit.
Quote from: hillary supporter on April 14, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Quote from: stephendare on April 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Garden guy on April 14, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
I do not think that Jake Godbold is a racist at all, but appearances and perceptions do speak out pretty loud. Symbolism matters as much as reality in politics.
This statement is so off base that it makes you sound ignorant garden guy. Perhaps you should discard the stereotypes before speaking about a man whose career has been completely public.
When (the most)progressive(liberal) democrat of Jacksonville endorses (the most) conservative (tea bag endorsed) republican of Jacksonville, GGs allegation goes with the territory!
The symbolism, in my opinion, speaks loudly. Godbold is not a racist and has a proven record to dispel that notion. The problem is that politics is also a game of appearances and perceptions. People will walk away with their own interpretation of this endorsement for better or for worse. That is sad, but our reality.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 13, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Jimmy, I am an American first.
I have never been a "party" Democrat because I think the State and Local party is another extension of the status quo. I would never have remained a Dem all these years if party actions were the basis of serious life choices. I think the party is messed over. I will remain a Dem but will never accept what being a Dem in the current context in Jacksonville means. I will also work with the people in various parties when my heart and mind says they will do the best job for the people.
Regarless of political party, we are all in this together. I will say this much. I believe blind obedience to a party that eats it's own while pretending to be progressive is not at all what I think being a Dem is about.
This is the real answer to the problem of the Duval Democratic Party, ignored in Shelton Hulls article. Diane, i believe, was in the upper echelon of Glorious Johnsons campaign, i thought she was actually her campaign manager. When upper echelon members make statements like these, the credability of the party is lost. They say that they are democrats, but change, as the winds blow. To todays point where Diane is vigorously supporting the oppostional candidate.
As a life long democrat, let me counter Dianes responses with my own.
1) As diane proclaims she votes as an american first (which is ok in its context) I state that my votes as a democrat will make america first. As arrogant as it may seem, in my long experience ive never regretted doing this. And the same is to be said of any party member of the Republicans.
Her quote of refusing to accept the democratic party in todays context, shows lack of confidence in the party. And her support of the opposing candidate?
I set my own personal example with my moniker hillary supporter. Hillary lost the primaries and Barack Obama won after a vicious campaign. Yet , i didnt hesitate to vote and support MY PARTY i pulled the lever for Obama.. And the rest is HISTORY.
Dianes comments of blind obedience must be taken into prerspective. She associates blind obedience with the event when one candidate of her choice was defeated by another. Because of her disappointment, she has chosen the opposing candidate. When Mike Hogan won, fellow party member Rick Mullaney endorsed Hogan.
When Alvin Brown won, fellow democrat Jake Godbold endorsed the opposition in Mike Hogan. At least when GOB Ed Austin and others were dissatiafied with their party, they left and joined the opposing republicans.
Another point to question Sheltons article is it fails to recognize how, when white conservative demos abandoned the party, African Americans maintained their support for the democratic ideals. Our lengend for that is the great Corrine Brown. While many a lot may question her eccentries (which i dont) AS A DEMOCRAT, she has set the 2011 standard for the democratic party... immpeccably.
I conclude my post with pointing out that i hope this can give explanation to Faye for Cures term "weak-kneed democrats" the real crisis of the Duval Democratic Party
So much for not allowing personal attacks. Glad it's all about me and not the two men on the ballot. Amazing.
Quote from: stephendare on April 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Garden guy on April 14, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
This statement is so off base that it makes you sound ignorant garden guy. Perhaps you should discard the stereotypes before speaking about a man whose career has been completely public.
I could care less about sounding ignorant steven..and i'm tired of being nice...i spent 8 very long years trying to be nice when republican ran our country...you can kiss ass if you want to but i'm tired of it...it's all this ass kissing that's making democrats loose....if godbold can't look at see that alvin would be better for this city then fuck him...i use to kind of like the guy but if he supports hogan that means he's just like the rightwing idiot republicans that have dragged this city into the ground...nope...the statement is not off base and even if it is..i've heard soo much worse on here from the right or republican side and you've said nothing to them..so...
Quote from: Garden guy on April 17, 2011, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: stephendare on April 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Garden guy on April 14, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
This statement is so off base that it makes you sound ignorant garden guy. Perhaps you should discard the stereotypes before speaking about a man whose career has been completely public.
I could care less about sounding ignorant steven..and i'm tired of being nice...i spent 8 very long years trying to be nice when republican ran our country...you can kiss ass if you want to but i'm tired of it...it's all this ass kissing that's making democrats loose....if godbold can't look at see that alvin would be better for this city then fuck him...i use to kind of like the guy but if he supports hogan that means he's just like the rightwing idiot republicans that have dragged this city into the ground...nope...the statement is not off base and even if it is..i've heard soo much worse on here from the right or republican side and you've said nothing to them..so...
I guess it is confirmed then...
Quote from: Garden guy on April 17, 2011, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: stephendare on April 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Garden guy on April 14, 2011, 07:58:27 AM
What's wrong Jake...too good to vote for a black man...and the northside raising comes to the surface.
This statement is so off base that it makes you sound ignorant garden guy. Perhaps you should discard the stereotypes before speaking about a man whose career has been completely public.
I could care less about sounding ignorant steven..and i'm tired of being nice...i spent 8 very long years trying to be nice when republican ran our country...you can kiss ass if you want to but i'm tired of it...it's all this ass kissing that's making democrats loose....if godbold can't look at see that alvin would be better for this city then fuck him...i use to kind of like the guy but if he supports hogan that means he's just like the rightwing idiot republicans that have dragged this city into the ground...nope...the statement is not off base and even if it is..i've heard soo much worse on here from the right or republican side and you've said nothing to them..so...
In my opinion, Garden Guy is saying what others might be thinking about this unusual alliance. In a previous post, I mentioned how symbolism matters a lot in politics. That is why it was significant that the late Senator Edward Kennedy and his niece Caroline lined up behind Barack Obama during the 2008 Democratic primaries. To voters (and especially pundits), symbols and gestures can say a lot about a politician or candidate. Garden Guy may have put it a bit less delicately than I would have, but I have to agree that the Good Old Boy network does look after their own - sometimes even transcending party label... The racial aspect of it is hard to ignore if only because Jacksonville, as well as the South and the nation, still has scars from the past. Is Godbold racist? No. But even he should have known the impression that his endorsement gave...
Not that stephendare needs defending, but I have seen him in some lively discussions with Hogan supporters on this board. I believe that stephendare does what he can to keep this forum civil. I do not agree with Jake Godbold's decision either, but will not question his motives - just the symbolism of it.
Jake has done what each of us are doing .. making a choice. I don't know if his choice is as simple as that , or there are underlying reasons, but whichever... it is his to make. I sort of see where Garden Guy was going with his post.. but I do feel that Mayor Jake DOES care about this City and People, and I don't see that endorsing one or the other makes him the bad guy.. no more than I think (personally) that Diane siding with the Hogan camp makes her a bad person. She may have one opinion at some point and another ,later, but which of us has not , at some point ,changed our mind , or our viewpoint? I honestly believe in my heart , Diane is one of us who very definitely DOES care about our City and people as well.
Uggggh .... politics..... this is the part that I really hate about them.. it gets so ugly...sometimes it ruins long-time friendships, imo.