The Issues by Mayoral Candidate Mike Hogan
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With the runoff election fast approaching on May 17th, let's take a look at the top priorities that mayoral candidate Mike Hogan will pursue as mayor.
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So basically he's trying to defund our society...ban abortions..give everyone gun?....hmmm...nope this right wing conservative will not have my vote...
I like his school adoption program idea.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 07, 2011, 06:17:04 AM
I like his school adoption program idea.
We would'nt need ad adoption program for schools if he and his kind had'nt spent the last years defunding our schools...it is his ideas like his party that have put our schools in such dire straights...don't let him schmooz ya....
Quote from: Garden guy on April 07, 2011, 06:29:08 AM
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 07, 2011, 06:17:04 AM
I like his school adoption program idea.
We would'nt need ad adoption program for schools if he and his kind had'nt spent the last years defunding our schools...it is his ideas like his party that have put our schools in such dire straights...don't let him schmooz ya....
Don't worry I know what led to the problem. Just one good idea on a list of nonsense.
I got nothing from that.
But there was this:
QuoteThe socioeconomic indicators scream to us that this school should be a failure. In fact, 81% of the children at Upson receive free or reduced lunch.
I can see taxpayer savings in our future.... YESSSS!!!
CUT THOSE TAXES!
CUT THOSE TAXES!
repeat...
my favorite is how he plans to cut taxes and "the wasteful spending of City hall liberals"...I suggest people take a look at the growth in budget for the Tax Collector's office over the last 8 years!
I should have ran for mayor and just shouted, "I will cut your taxes"! I might have had a pretty good chance of winning. Where the heck is his vision for our City and its future?
Straight from the last paragraph:
QuoteAs Mayor I will explore every opportunity for job creation and economic development within our City. Everything is on the table. I will continue to explore opportunities for partnering with the DOD to utilize our assets at the Cecil Commerce Center.
Would that include reversing consolidation? Or spending some time (no consulting money needed) studying it? I think the results would be astounding.
Quote from: fsujax on April 07, 2011, 08:06:57 AM
I should have ran for mayor and just shouted, "I will cut your taxes"! I might have had a pretty good chance of winning. Where the heck is his vision for our City and its future?
You're gonna need to do something about preserving the sanctity of life and the second amendment. (I like to call these the
live and let die binary precepts)
Where will we end up if our next mayor doesn't protect us from a city council that is determined to undermine these founding principles?
Then there's this whole illegal immigration thingy.
There is no proof that cutting taxes stimulates the economy. We have learned from many cities that this is not the case. I see his plan as short sighted and if Rick Scott is any prophecy of what is to come....I don't want Mike Scott...I mean Mike Hogan leading this city. Oh he does seem like a really nice guy, but you know that just does not cut it! Sorry Mike!
Quote from: dougskiles on April 07, 2011, 08:13:57 AM
Straight from the last paragraph:
QuoteAs Mayor I will explore every opportunity for job creation and economic development within our City. Everything is on the table. I will continue to explore opportunities for partnering with the DOD to utilize our assets at the Cecil Commerce Center.
Would that include reversing consolidation? Or spending some time (no consulting money needed) studying it? I think the results would be astounding.
actually I read this as possibly opening Cecil back up as a military base....wonder how his westside supporters would feel about that?
Gun control, abortions, and illegal immigration. Now, if I could just get his stance on Libya and budget issues in California, I'd be all set to make my decision.
Quote from: JSquared on April 07, 2011, 08:47:56 AM
Gun control, abortions, and illegal immigration. Now, if I could just get his stance on Libya and budget issues in California, I'd be all set to make my decision.
hahahaha. +100. You have his stance on California, btw. They're a bunch of hippy-dippy pinko commie liberal welfarers. And they're in the deepest debt hole because they give all the budget to evil poor people and allow gays to marry, not because CA is the biggest population and economy in the US by far in a time when the whole economy is struggling.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on April 07, 2011, 08:16:06 AM
..I don't want Mike Scott...
Michael Scott would actually be awesome. He's unconventional, but he gets the job done. And he really cares. And he's awkward.
I like his positions that illegal aliens can't get licenses, but they can get guns. I will never understand this radical support of gun proliferation masked as 2nd amendment patriotism.
Seriously - this is like the worst platform I've ever seen anyone run on for a local office. Unreal. Even Peyton's was better in 2003.
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Michael Scott would actually be awesome. He's unconventional, but he gets the job done. And he really cares. And he's awkward.
The Scranton branch was highest in sales across the entire company. Michael Scott knows how to get the most out of his people.
If Hogan was running for a seat in Congress, I'd probably vote for him. Other than his job policies, all the things he advocates aren't local politics issues. The mayor really has no business touching gun control. Hogan is going to try and change Jax into his own theocratic Utopian city with no taxes, a bible and a gun in each hand, and zero immigration tolerance. I have no issue with the Bible and gun part, I am a supporter of both, but I don't think it is the mayors place to enact such policies.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 07, 2011, 09:13:20 AM
I have no issue with the Bible and gun part, I am a supporter of both, but I don't think it is the mayors place to enact such policies.
If you are going to champion the Bill of Rights, you can't pick and choose your amendments. If you support the 2nd, you've also gotta support the 1st. I'm not sure this guy's read either, and he certainly doesn't feel as strongly about the 1st as he does the 2nd. But there is a reason it was put in the front.
QuoteI'm not sure this guy's read either, and he certainly doesn't feel as strongly about the 1st as he does the 2nd. But there is a reason it was put in the front.
Freedom of speech protects phrases like "From my cold dead hands". I think Hogan is taking the Henry Ford approach to freedom of religion, "people can believe whatever they want, as long as they're baptist."
Neither issue has a place in local politics. Why not focus on QOL or historic preservation or transit instead.....?
The good part is he didn't mention that pesky old downtown. I think it was veiled in the 2nd paragraph of "Protecting the Taxpayer," because we all know most of the taxpayers in the "burbs" could give a crap about downtown. Who needs that half empty albatross...
QuoteJob Creation
• Reduce the costs and obstacles of entrepreneurialism by lowering local taxes and regulatory burdens on small businesses
I believe this actually plays into the theme of cost effective downtown revitalization and development. This is an area I believe the Hogan campaign would be smart to dive into further detail by pinpointing a few regulatory burdens that should be eliminated and why. There are several great examples of this across the country to take a look at and learn from. Not only would such a move, improve the downtown business environment, it will also have a positive impact throughout the community (suburbs and urban core neighborhoods).
Also, both candidates should take a serious look into identifying what type of jobs they would like to create and what type of environment those companies and the people they employ. Here is a link to an recent story regarding urban census trends across the country and how they relate to job, tax base and city growth.
Quote"This is a real glimmer of hope," says Carol Coletta, head of CEOs for Cities, a non-profit consortium of city leaders that commissioned the research. "Clearly, the next generation of Americans is looking for different kinds of lifestyles â€" walkable, art, culture, entertainment."
QuotePreference for urban living among young adults â€" especially the well-educated â€" has increased sharply, data show:
•In 2000, young adults with a four-year degree were about 61% more likely to live in close-in urban neighborhoods than their less-educated counterparts. Now, they are about 94% more likely.
•In five metropolitan areas â€" Boston, Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Washington â€" about two-thirds of young adults who live in the city center have at least a four-year college degree. Less than a third of the nation's 25- to 34-year-olds do.
"This is no longer anecdotal," Coletta says. "Every metro area has good suburbs, but if you don't have a strong downtown and close-in neighborhoods, then you're not offering a choice that many of them are seeking. Offering that choice is a real competitive advantage for cities."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-01-1Ayoungrestless01_ST_N.htm
Creating an environment that is attractive to this population doesn't require money. In fact, we'd save ourselves a ton of money by focusing on getting better utilization out of our existing assets, infrastructure and landscape. However, it should be made very clear that if we can't provide the type of environment certain industries and the people they employ seek, those jobs won't materialize, regardless of what type of public policy we take.
As for the first couple of issues (Second Amendment, Illegal Immigration, and Sanctity of Life stuff), there's not much if anything a mayor can do about these things. Plus with a $60 million budget deficit on our hands, whoever becomes mayor will already have their hands full. However, with our local demographics, they should rile up various groups to come out and vote.
He will also fight to keep Sharia law out of Jacksonville.
We need someone who will help Jax flourish- not make it unbearable.
Let's vote for the candidate who has actual proven record in helping the community, a candidate who has REAL credentials in all areas.
Quote from: buckethead on April 07, 2011, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: fsujax on April 07, 2011, 08:06:57 AM
I should have ran for mayor and just shouted, "I will cut your taxes"! I might have had a pretty good chance of winning. Where the heck is his vision for our City and its future?
You're gonna need to do something about preserving the sanctity of life and the second amendment. (I like to call these the live and let die binary precepts)
Where will we end up if our next mayor doesn't protect us from a city council that is determined to undermine these founding principles?
Then there's this whole illegal immigration thingy.
Where DOES he stand on putting a border fence between Florida and Georgia??
Quote from: thelakelander on April 07, 2011, 09:58:46 AMCreating an environment that is attractive to this population doesn't require money. In fact, we'd save ourselves a ton of money by focusing on getting better utilization out of our existing assets, infrastructure and landscape. However, it should be made very clear that if we can't provide the type of environment certain industries and the people they employ seek, those jobs won't materialize, regardless of what type of public policy we take.
This is true. It seems like putting money into a lot of big projects may be good for 2020, but in this present climate, there are things could be done and need to be done that work
today.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on April 07, 2011, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 07, 2011, 09:13:20 AM
I have no issue with the Bible and gun part, I am a supporter of both, but I don't think it is the mayors place to enact such policies.
If you are going to champion the Bill of Rights, you can't pick and choose your amendments. If you support the 2nd, you've also gotta support the 1st. I'm not sure this guy's read either, and he certainly doesn't feel as strongly about the 1st as he does the 2nd. But there is a reason it was put in the front.
That's the fore-running thought in my head - then again, I'm a political contradiction: I own a gun AND am pro-choice. I'm the one with both Obama & NRA stickers on the back of my car.
I just think this list, like so many other candidates in history, is written well-enough to paint a lovely picture most people want to see. It basically hands everyone a pair of rose-tinted shades, because that's what they want to see.
I feel like Luke Wilson in the movie Idiocracy and Mike Hogan is the Tea Party version of Terry Crews.
Working with JEA to cut fees and the adopt a school thing are decent ideas, but that is about it.
What I really want to know is, as mayor will Hogan attempt to get a copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate?
Why in the blazing f*** does Mike Hogan want to DRAG the federal ISSUES down to the local office while distract us with those issues and being screwed into a whirlpool of doom for Jacksonville.
Okay okay okay... the choice for the Mayor Of Jacksonville just GOT SO EASY.
BE
CALM
AND
VOTE
FOR
BROWN.
-Josh
QuoteI feel like Luke Wilson in the movie Idiocracy and Mike Hogan is the Tea Party version of Terry Crews.
Whoa. President Comacho and Secretary Not Sure saved the plants. I'm sure that is more than would be accomplished if Hogan were to be elected. Besides, Brawndo's got what plants crave. It has electrolytes.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 07, 2011, 11:30:33 AM
QuoteI feel like Luke Wilson in the movie Idiocracy and Mike Hogan is the Tea Party version of Terry Crews.
Whoa. President Comacho and Secretary Not Sure saved the plants. I'm sure that is more than would be accomplished if Hogan were to be elected. Besides, Brawndo's got what plants crave. It has electrolytes.
Strip malls is what Jacksonville craves. They have nail salons.
:D
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 11:10:49 AM
Other than Mtrain, does anyone know anyone who is planning on voting for Parson Hogan?
I believe Noone supports Hogan as well
then there's the 35% of the voters from the first election...and Rick Mullaney!
Quote from: JSquared on April 07, 2011, 08:47:56 AM
Gun control, abortions, and illegal immigration. Now, if I could just get his stance on Libya and budget issues in California, I'd be all set to make my decision.
His platform sounds more like someone trying to be Michelle Bachmann's running mate, not mayor or Jacksonville.
Quote from: danem on April 07, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on April 07, 2011, 09:58:46 AMCreating an environment that is attractive to this population doesn't require money. In fact, we'd save ourselves a ton of money by focusing on getting better utilization out of our existing assets, infrastructure and landscape. However, it should be made very clear that if we can't provide the type of environment certain industries and the people they employ seek, those jobs won't materialize, regardless of what type of public policy we take.
This is true. It seems like putting money into a lot of big projects may be good for 2020, but in this present climate, there are things could be done and need to be done that work today.
We should know by now that putting money into big projects does nothing on its own. After all, we've already spent billions during the last 30 years on big gimmick downtown redevelopment schemes, only to see downtown decline just as fast as it did in the 1970s/1980s. The key to revitalization is clustering complementing uses within a compact setting. That doesn't cost you anything. It just means we'll have to use common sense for a change.
I think the concept of cutting back, eliminating or revising public policy is the most effective way to turn downtown and the urban core around. Its also something that if leveraged right, can change our unsustainable growth patterns, which lead to our unsustainable budget situation. Furthermore, this is something that is going to have to be done if the goal is to stimulate true job creation in our recession bit city. As the race goes on, I'd like to see Hogan's campaign focus more on detailing issues like this, as opposed to a few that have no economic impact on the future of our city and that the next mayor will have no control over.
Quote: (I like to call these the live and let die binary precepts)
Now that I've stopped laughing, I would like to borrow these, and will use them from now on. I will try my best to give credit where credit is certainly due.
Regarding downtown - didn't Hogan say "downtown is just another neighborhood"? So it doesn't warrant any special attention.
I wish Noone, whom I greatly respect, would explain his support of Hogan. I think Hogan will sell of the Pier, along with the rest of the Shipyards.
Reopening Cecil wouldn't be a bad thing. The commerce center is largely a flop, and it would bring a lot of jobs. Problem is the surrounding residents won't let it happen, NIMBY and noise worries. Which is silly, since NAS jax is right next to the 3 most expensive neighborhoods in the city (San Marco, Avondale, and Ortega), and nobody's property values have fallen to 0 yet. The outcry by residents is what killed the proposal of offering it back to DOD last time, I think the hysteria is asinine.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 07, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
Regarding downtown - didn't Hogan say "downtown is just another neighborhood"? So it doesn't warrant any special attention.
Pretty much and if that sentiment doesn't change, its going to economically bite us where the sun doesn't shine. DT is an economic engine in the fact that you can pack a large amount of high activity uses into a very compact setting and not have to spend one additional dime on public infrastructure, safety and maintenance to support it. You can't do that anywhere else in this sprawled out low density city. That fact alone, should have us looking to utilize this asset in a manner that saves our broke city millions of dollars on an annual basis. Nevertheless, revising policies that prohibit small business development and sustainable growth will benefit downtown, as well as the the rest of the city. If I'm Alvin Brown, I'd beat Hogan over the head on this particular issue (job creation and economic development and how they relate to downtown). If I'm Hogan, I'd strengthen my approach on this subject because a fiscal conservative redevelopment agenda actually plays right into a lot of the points his campaign touts.
Chris, not to go too far afield, but neither San Marco, Avondale, nor Ortega lie in the flight path of the jets landing and taking off at NAS Jax. That's not the case with the neighborhoods surrounding Cecil field. Many homes were built near Cecil after the announcement of the Navy decommissioning the base. Voters in Jacksonville have already spoken out against returning Cecil to Navy hands. It's civic energy I'd rather not see expended again.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 07, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
Regarding downtown - didn't Hogan say "downtown is just another neighborhood"? So it doesn't warrant any special attention.
I wish Noone, whom I greatly respect, would explain his support of Hogan. I think Hogan will sell of the Pier, along with the rest of the Shipyards.
CH, Right back at you. You too are a wealth of knowledge my friend. I hope Hogan doesn't sell the Pier. I hope Brown doesn't sell the pier. Right now with the passage of 2010-604 the Jacksonville city council can introduce legislation that could keep the pier separate. This can happen and it was told to me at a previous Hobnob held Downtown during the Governors race. And some of the councilman telling me this were Corrigan, Webb, Bishop, Redman, so lets do something especially Redman. Where are you? The window is closing. OPEN IT! PLEASE.
I'm doing phone calls and emails especially outside of Duval county. City council meeting in 5 days, Waterways in 6. Will Redman share with the commission about 2010-856 and a potential 1 mile ban of a transient vendor from a permanent structure. Offer a resolution. Do something. Next day St. Johns River Alliance and the 34 member board and the update of the seeking of a state designation for a 310 mile Blueway paddling trail. Will Duval county inform the other 11 counties of an update on 2010-856 and this potential detruction of economic opportunity that was shared at the December Board meeting in Putnam county. Should be part of the permanent record.
Has anyone heard from Gaffney on the pier and Hogans Creek? I'm in absolute shock that the residents of Springfield are giving this legislative representative the biggest pass on these two issues. Imagine 1 person going down to the city council meeting and during Public comment mentioning that they would like to see the pier and Hogans Creek opened immediately. By the way there is a Waterways meeting the next day at 9am in council chambers and if someone shows up that concern is on the record and the issue can move forward. How is Gaffney allowed this monumental pass?
My councilman is making one exscuse after another for not doing anything. The issue doesn't have to wait for Hogan or Brown.
As for access to the river. The state of Florida is watching.
Right now my preliminary homework and I know that some of you are cringing, is showing me that if you want more access and economic opportunity especially as it relates to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River that you will vote for Hogan.
I'll have more after next weeks meetings.
If anyone can make it to Waterways that would be HUGE.
Be concerned and keep score.
I've got concerns on other issues and I'll share those. but right now this should be front and center for everyone in the city of Jacksonville.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 07, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
QuoteI'm not sure this guy's read either, and he certainly doesn't feel as strongly about the 1st as he does the 2nd. But there is a reason it was put in the front.
Freedom of speech protects phrases like "From my cold dead hands". I think Hogan is taking the Henry Ford approach to freedom of religion, "people can believe whatever they want, as long as they're baptist."
Neither issue has a place in local politics. Why not focus on QOL or historic preservation or transit instead.....?
or people can believe whatever they want as long as they are the ones with the guns
Quote from: Noone on April 07, 2011, 02:01:58 PM
Has anyone heard from Gaffney on the pier and Hogans Creek? I'm in absolute shock that the residents of Springfield are giving this legislative representative the biggest pass on these two issues.
There is no bike or pedestrian access along Hogan's Creek from Springfield to the River. In that respect Springfield is as geographically disconnected from this issue as Riverside and San Marco.
Frankly, Springfield residents should and likely are a lot more interested and concerned about the Hogan's Creek Greenway plan which proposes to improve Confederate and Klutho Parks in Springfield. It would be great to have a greenway all the way from Confederate Park to the River someday, but until that happens Springfield residents will be a lot more focused on their own parks.
Also, what does the transient vendor ban have to do with any of this?
And um..... THAT is your list Mike??? are you freaking KIDDING!!!!!
Um.... no thanks .. I ll vote for Alvin Brown
As inane as most of that reads. The most important thing any Mayor is going to have to deal with is the pension funds. I have not heard anything from either candidate regarding that. Hard to not raise taxes if we allow EMTs retire at 50 years old.
Quote from: Irene on April 07, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
We need someone who will help Jax flourish- not make it unbearable.
Let's vote for the candidate who has actual proven record in helping the community, a candidate who has REAL credentials in all areas.
Who would that be?
Quote from: bill on April 07, 2011, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 07, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
We need someone who will help Jax flourish- not make it unbearable.
Let's vote for the candidate who has actual proven record in helping the community, a candidate who has REAL credentials in all areas.
Who would that be?
You asked the question... Who would you suggest?
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 11:10:49 AM
This has to be the least inspiring bit of penny misery that Ive ever read in my whole life.
It sounds more like the platform of a county surveyor in Amish country than then mayor of America's 13th largest city.
Other than Mtrain, does anyone know anyone who is planning on voting for Parson Hogan?
Timkin is NOT VOTING FOR HOGAN.. No effing way
Quote from: bill on April 07, 2011, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 07, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
We need someone who will help Jax flourish- not make it unbearable.
Let's vote for the candidate who has actual proven record in helping the community, a candidate who has REAL credentials in all areas.
Who would that be?
Mullaney was the best choice from a poor lot. The remaining two do not have anything that would qualify as REAL credentials in any area.
Quote from: Timkin on April 07, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 11:10:49 AM
This has to be the least inspiring bit of penny misery that Ive ever read in my whole life.
It sounds more like the platform of a county surveyor in Amish country than then mayor of America's 13th largest city.
Other than Mtrain, does anyone know anyone who is planning on voting for Parson Hogan?
Timkin is NOT VOTING FOR HOGAN.. No effing way
Sweetie, if you said you WERE, I'd pay to have your head examined. ;)
Mullaney.....the one who got the least votes :) mhm
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on April 07, 2011, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Timkin on April 07, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 11:10:49 AM
This has to be the least inspiring bit of penny misery that Ive ever read in my whole life.
It sounds more like the platform of a county surveyor in Amish country than then mayor of America's 13th largest city.
Other than Mtrain, does anyone know anyone who is planning on voting for Parson Hogan?
Timkin is NOT VOTING FOR HOGAN.. No effing way
Sweetie, if you said you WERE, I'd pay to have your head examined. ;)
Never......I know you're here to keep me in line ;)
Quote from: CityLife on April 07, 2011, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Noone on April 07, 2011, 02:01:58 PM
Has anyone heard from Gaffney on the pier and Hogans Creek? I'm in absolute shock that the residents of Springfield are giving this legislative representative the biggest pass on these two issues.
There is no bike or pedestrian access along Hogan's Creek from Springfield to the River. In that respect Springfield is as geographically disconnected from this issue as Riverside and San Marco.
Frankly, Springfield residents should and likely are a lot more interested and concerned about the Hogan's Creek Greenway plan which proposes to improve Confederate and Klutho Parks in Springfield. It would be great to have a greenway all the way from Confederate Park to the River someday, but until that happens Springfield residents will be a lot more focused on their own parks.
Also, what does the transient vendor ban have to do with any of this?
Do Something.
Have you ever been to a Jacksonville city council meeting? We paddled Hogans Creek together. You saw first hand the potential. You showed me Klutho and Confederate Park. Thank you.
You want the pedestrian and bike access? Get down to a city council meeting and tell them to move the fence back. I bet it would happen. NOW! Ask. It makes sense to me. As for partial funding if its tied into a canoe and kayak launch under the FDOT overpass it could be submitted in time for next years cycle of FIND projects and if this really fires you up you can show up on Tues. and ask that some of the lollipop money be earmarked for the Klutho and Confederate park and make it happen.
And the streetcar component to all this......Its a LOCK if you ask OCK.
2010-856 is huge. Imagine somebody rents a kayak on Hogans Creek at Klutho or Confederate park from a permanent building. The ord. would restrict a transient vendor from participating one mile from that structure. What a JOKE! Be concerned its pending legislation.
For over 2 years I've attended FIND meetings (Florida Inland Navigation District) Not many ,but my first was in Jax with this question. If a citizen wanted to raise half the cost of a pocket pier (Floating dock) at a waterfront Public access street end would the members of FIND match the other half. The answer was a resounding YES. You need a sponsor a city council man. Over two years later and I don't have a sponsor. HUGE JOKE! This months meeting is in Flagler county. I'm serious when I say the state of Florida is watching and we are a JOKE.
CityLife, Please share your thoughts on what you experienced that day we paddled on Hogans Creek. I know you showed me some parts of Springfield that I haven't been to. I can appreciate what the residents would like to have.
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: bill on April 07, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
As inane as most of that reads. The most important thing any Mayor is going to have to deal with is the pension funds. I have not heard anything from either candidate regarding that. Hard to not raise taxes if we allow EMTs retire at 50 years old.
Bill can you find any math that proves that the Pension funds actually need to be dealt with?
It is pretty much common sense. You cannot sustain having people retire between 40-50 years old and pay 80% of their salary all while paying an 8.5% return. The unfunded liabilty is at least 2 BILLION dollars. The pensions are taking more than 11% of the general fund and rising. Here is a link.
http://www.jaxtaxpayers.org/curtis-lee%e2%80%99s-11410-speech-to-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-true-commission-re-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-public-pension-problems/#more-744
I'm surprised he didn't work "protect the sanctity of marriage" in there somewhere.
and speak out about homersectuals
I'm guessing from reading that platform that the first thing Mayor Hogan would do upon taking office wouldn't have anything to do with Hogan's Creek or the pier, but something along the lines of opening an investigation into the veracity of Obama's birth certificate.
Yeah....something REALLY Important for Downtown.
Quotebut something along the lines of opening an investigation into the veracity of Obama's birth certificate.
Nah, we have Donald Trump looking into that one! ::)
nothing about smart growth ore public transportation.
Mike Hogan would make Jacksonville go backwards. The worst part is that he will get elected. Saps in Jacksonville eat this up. It's sad that no one cares about this city. That no one wants this city to become a city. That these saps want to keep Jacksonville boring and redneck. Anything that will help Jacksonville become a real city (i.e. the Jaguars) Mike Hogan will get rid of. It's sad. Just sad.
Quote from: Anti redneck on April 08, 2011, 02:14:47 AM
Mike Hogan would make Jacksonville go backwards. The worst part is that he will get elected. Saps in Jacksonville eat this up. It's sad that no one cares about this city. That no one wants this city to become a city. That these saps want to keep Jacksonville boring and redneck. Anything that will help Jacksonville become a real city (i.e. the Jaguars) Mike Hogan will get rid of. It's sad. Just sad.
Not necessarily. Our geography is still too good. Our location is nearly perfect for all types of businesses - especially transportation and distribution for the rest of Florida and Georgia. Even if our citizens and politicians are incompetent and lazy, progress will still head our way. Jacksonville will still get growth, not really because of it's people but because of it's wonderful location. The St Johns River makes things even better for us! It's a super bonus for the city. The lack of hurricanes here also helps more then you can imagine.
Hogan's policies can work because we are unusually blessed by this geography. Other parts of the state and other companies from out of state will be forced to choose Jacksonville because its geography holds them hostage.
"Sure, we could do a bit more work and become a mega city like San Francisco but why do all that work when we don't have to?" This is probably what quite a lot of people are thinking. To win their votes, you probably need to figure out a good counter argument to this.
Quote from: cityimrov on April 08, 2011, 04:17:12 AM
Not necessarily. Our geography is still too good. Our location is nearly perfect for all types of businesses - especially transportation and distribution for the rest of Florida and Georgia. Even if our citizens and politicians are incompetent and lazy, progress will still head our way. Jacksonville will still get growth, not really because of it's people but because of it's wonderful location. The St Johns River makes things even better for us! It's a super bonus for the city. The lack of hurricanes here also helps more then you can imagine.
I think you may have put your finger on why our city won't move forward and always seems content with the status quo. We have certain geographic advantages that we don't have to work at all for. There is an attitude here that Jacksonville is just naturally better than other places. It becomes more evident to me every time I travel. There seems to be a collective arrogance here and what we need is a collective humble pride.
He is merely pandering to the voters that will elect him mayor, and they will. Sometimes in this town I feel like Dr. Evil. Why must I be surrounded by frickin' idiots?
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
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As inane as most of that reads. The most important thing any Mayor is going to have to deal with is the pension funds. I have not heard anything from either candidate regarding that. Hard to not raise taxes if we allow EMTs retire at 50 years old.
Bill can you find any math that proves that the Pension funds actually need to be dealt with?
It is pretty much common sense. You cannot sustain having people retire between 40-50 years old and pay 80% of their salary all while paying an 8.5% return. The unfunded liabilty is at least 2 BILLION dollars. The pensions are taking more than 11% of the general fund and rising. Here is a link.
http://www.jaxtaxpayers.org/curtis-lee%e2%80%99s-11410-speech-to-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-true-commission-re-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-public-pension-problems/#more-744
So, then the answer is 'no'?
I laid it fairly simply and gave you a letter that goes into more depth. IF you are not capable of grasping the problem from there that would explain why we are in such a mess.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 09, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
I live on the river in Riverside, and there are often Navy planes and helicopters flying over my house.
I'm a couple of blocks from the river in Avondale. Couldn't tell you the last time I heard or saw one. I grew up 3 miles west of Cecil field. You had to keep the TV on closed caption mode if you wanted to make it through a whole hour program without missing some dialogue due to the jets. Day, night.
Quote from: Jimmy on April 09, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 09, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
I live on the river in Riverside, and there are often Navy planes and helicopters flying over my house.
I'm a couple of blocks from the river in Avondale. Couldn't tell you the last time I heard or saw one. I grew up 3 miles west of Cecil field. You had to keep the TV on closed caption mode if you wanted to make it through a whole hour program without missing some dialogue due to the jets. Day, night.
So I'm lying, or the planes and helicopters are optical illusions? Trust me, they're there.
I have no idea if you're lying, or not. I can't imagine why you'd lie.
I'm telling you what I hear and see now in Avondale vs. what I heard and saw when I lived near the active Cecil NAS.
Quote from: bill on April 08, 2011, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: bill on April 07, 2011, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 07, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: bill on April 07, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
As inane as most of that reads. The most important thing any Mayor is going to have to deal with is the pension funds. I have not heard anything from either candidate regarding that. Hard to not raise taxes if we allow EMTs retire at 50 years old.
Bill can you find any math that proves that the Pension funds actually need to be dealt with?
It is pretty much common sense. You cannot sustain having people retire between 40-50 years old and pay 80% of their salary all while paying an 8.5% return. The unfunded liabilty is at least 2 BILLION dollars. The pensions are taking more than 11% of the general fund and rising. Here is a link.
http://www.jaxtaxpayers.org/curtis-lee%e2%80%99s-11410-speech-to-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-true-commission-re-jacksonville%e2%80%99s-public-pension-problems/#more-744
So, then the answer is 'no'?
I laid it fairly simply and gave you a letter that goes into more depth. IF you are not capable of grasping the problem from there that would explain why we are in such a mess.
I understand you have trouble with the math thingy. I am amazed someone as well read as you has not researched the issues. If not it is not worth my time to explain it to you
The parts your link ignores is the declining property values it references is a temporary problem and the unfunded liabilities are from taking pension holidays and not paying when times were good. It is not growing unfunded liabilities at that rate when normally funded. Alvin Brown has said he won't take those holidays that create problems. I do not have big problem with negotiating some reforms but this whole sky is falling routine seems over board.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 09, 2011, 09:52:59 PM
The parts your link ignores is the declining property values it references is a temporary problem and the unfunded liabilities are from taking pension holidays and not paying when times were good. It is not growing unfunded liabilities at that rate when normally funded. Alvin Brown has said he won't take those holidays that create problems. I do not have big problem with negotiating some reforms but this whole sky is falling routine seems over board.
Fair points. The problems I have are that the number is already so large. Property values may not return for years and are still declining. We promise an 8.5% return when the market has been in a decline. This thing only mushrooms as more people retire at a young age and live longer.
No matter what the next mayor does the unions have shown little willingness to negotiate. It is not a fun issue for politicians to bargain with the people that got them elected.
Why would Jax vote for this guy who has no plans of making the city Better?
Quote from: Coolyfett on April 11, 2011, 02:05:45 AM
Why would Jax vote for this guy who has no plans of making the city Better?
because he's a Republican...lots of people vote strictly D or R without paying any attention to what the candidate says or does
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 11, 2011, 08:48:46 AM
Quote from: Coolyfett on April 11, 2011, 02:05:45 AM
Why would Jax vote for this guy who has no plans of making the city Better?
because he's a Republican...lots of people vote strictly D or R without paying any attention to what the candidate says or does
And people who
vote strictly for D or R are completely stupid and ignorant especially for this CITY election, not national.
-Josh
Welcome (unfortunately) to the last century of most voters :)
Timkin..........I concur and then some! Voter appathy is prevelant and due to the people running for office, I can understand! No one appears to take the voter concerns into play, just their own rehtoric and pandering to the inner circle. Until all of the voters wake up...........forgetaboutit! Tis truely sad!
I am really no one to talk... Until a few years ago , I didn't pay attention to politics and the players,, but then I did , and when I did what I was observing became alarming to say the least.. So I cannot finger point ,really...
I DO THINK however, that the population is waking up and taking notice! certainly hope that is the trend ..
Tim it would be nice...........but I gotta point out this past election cycle, voter turnout of 13% does not bode well for any of us other than the normal insiders! Public will just end paying for it like normal!
We can't blame it on "Hanging Chads" anymore :(