Who do you think is capable of taking Jacksonville to the next level. Alvin or mike??
sadly Matt...I'm fearful that neither can.....Audrey was far and away the person to do it.
That said, Alvin has the potential of chanmging the political power game...if he can get some big-money people and businesses to publicly support him, it might work...and then, if elected, he has a CHANCE to move Jacksonville forward.
The only thing I know about Alvin right now is that he is not Hogan and that may be enough to get my vote. However, that is not enough for me to go out campaigning for him. I plan on reaching out to his campaign to see if I can get a few minutes with him to talk about some of the issues in the same way that I did with Audrey.
And I'm only really worried about Mike because I feel that his 'do-nothing' style will open the door for some of his key supporters to run rampant. If I had a better sense that he will be able to stand up to the people who helped elect him, I wouldn't be quite as concerned.
Quote from: mfc on March 26, 2011, 10:02:27 PM
Who do you think is capable of taking Jacksonville to the next level. Alvin or mike??
Mike is purely from the right wing republican part of this city and he'll probably do nothing to change a thing...same ole same ole....he could'nt even be bothered to show up to town meetings?...looks like a do nothing rightwing kissass and he'll not have my vote..
I'm not sure if that is accurate.
I think Mike might be more independent than GG seems to suggest, however I do believe he is an ideologue.
Look for Tea Party Austerity under a Hogan administration. I hope he isn't a political profiteer or a puppet.
The Prince of Persia era is ending, and I hope it stays ended.
Googling Brown to learn more. Any insider dirt/praise would be appreciated.
Quote from: buckethead on March 27, 2011, 08:23:22 AM
I'm not sure if that is accurate.
I think Mike might be more independent than GG seems to suggest, however I do believe he is an ideologue.
Look for Tea Party Austerity under a Hogan administration. I hope he isn't a political profiteer or a puppet.
The Prince of Persia era is ending, and I hope it stays ended.
Googling Brown to learn more. Any insider dirt/praise would be appreciated.
Independent my ass....that's the last thing i think of when i hear his name. I hear..."defund the city..lower tax rates for the wealthy...take away any rights of teachers and hell i would'nt put it past him to make abortions illegal within the city boarders." He's a FBC member and that's enough for me to run from him as fast as possible.
Quote from: mfc on March 26, 2011, 10:02:27 PM
Who do you think is capable of taking Jacksonville to the next level. Alvin or mike??
I like Mike. And Matt I've got that letter that you wrote to me years ago when the OFWB was an issue. I'll try and dig it out. In the meantime how would you like to paddle Hogans Creek next week? Tides are perfect in the morning would Wend. Thurs. Fri. work for you? I'd welcome the opportunity to spend an hour with you on the water. I hope we can make it happen. I know I do.
Well, Noone, I hope the current Council splits the Pier from the rest of the Shipyards land and funds the park, because, I fear that if Hogan wins, he will sell off the entire parcel.
Hogan's top four issues on his website seem to indicate he does not know what the Mayor's job is. Taxes, Second Amendment, Illegal Immigration and Sanctity of life. I think put his veiws on major notional issues out there for the public is fine however read his issues section. These are his top four he believe the mayor needs to fight for. I believe we can be confident that taking Jacksonville to the next level is not even what Mr. Hogan is striving for. Contrast Mike's site with Alvin's. The first step has to be an understanding of what needs to be done.
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 26, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
sadly Matt...I'm fearful that neither can.....Audrey was far and away the person to do it.
That said, Alvin has the potential of chanmging the political power game...if he can get some big-money people and businesses to publicly support him, it might work...and then, if elected, he has a CHANCE to move Jacksonville forward.
A large number of metjax posters were less informed on Alvins view than myself, as i was behind Alvins campaign from early on, (which means little, if anything.)
Matt, i was struck immediately by Alvins experience in the Clinton administrations job program. While cutting deficit spending is a priority, Im convinced that the best single thing for Jax is jobs, which personally touches me as my brother has been unemployed for almost 2 years. And so many of my friends.
The next two months will show a national trend towards a rejection of republican spending cuts, which will squarely be aimed at education and middle/lower class workers. It will be up to Alvin and local democrats to imply that these same cuts, endorsed overwhelmingly by Hogan, are just as detrimental to Jacksonville as the rest of the country.
I find it particlarly ironic how we can expect no financial help from multi billion $$$ corps as GE, as posted here via an excellent NYtimes link.
Hogan= even worst public education, quality of life for middle low income.
Brown= Emphasis on education (his experience at JU), higher quality of life for middle/low income (his experience in job growth)
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 27, 2011, 10:38:24 AM
Hogan's top four issues on his website seem to indicate he does not know what the Mayor's job is. Taxes, Second Amendment, Illegal Immigration and Sanctity of life. I think put his veiws on major notional issues out there for the public is fine however read his issues section. These are his top four he believe the mayor needs to fight for. I believe we can be confident that taking Jacksonville to the next level is not even what Mr. Hogan is striving for. Contrast Mike's site with Alvin's. The first step has to be an understanding of what needs to be done.
Yes truth.... the tip of the iceberg. On Hogan.
Also credit Brown for, what many MetroJaxers agree, getting his supporters out to vote in a large number, while many republican supporters were flat out apathetic.
Theres every reason to believe the Brown campaign will roll on with that success.
Brown was handshaking at RAM yesterday.
He said everything that I wanted to hear.
Based on where he was and what he said, Brown seems to be courting support from planner and preservation types.
I was in a meeting yesterday with Mr. Brown's campaign manager and other top aides. I was part of a large group of Audrey supporters who gathered to learn more about Mr. Brown and how we can help. My questions were answered; Mr. Brown has the experience and vision that we need to take Jacksonville to the next level (unlike the regressive Hogan who might toe the line, but I believe would take us backward).
So, there's just no mistake about it: Audrey supporters who are looking for the candidate who best embodies what she was trying to achieve, look no further than Alvin Brown. He has my complete and total support. I'm with Alvin.
We cannot afford anymore backwards
Alvin Brown isn't Mike Hogan, so I'll be voting for him. I hope I can learn more about him though.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 27, 2011, 10:38:24 AM
Hogan's top four issues on his website seem to indicate he does not know what the Mayor's job is. Taxes, Second Amendment, Illegal Immigration and Sanctity of life. I think put his veiws on major notional issues out there for the public is fine however read his issues section. These are his top four he believe the mayor needs to fight for. I believe we can be confident that taking Jacksonville to the next level is not even what Mr. Hogan is striving for. Contrast Mike's site with Alvin's. The first step has to be an understanding of what needs to be done.
He'd make a great pastor in Live Oak. Mayor in Jax? Not so much. Alvin Brown needs to make his campaign about one thing, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. (same thing Audrey should've hammered more and would've gotten her in the run-off in my estimation) That should be his campaign's mission in life, to show how Alvin Brown will help improve employment conditions here in Jax. Square that with Hogan joking about bombing abortion clinics and he can take the moderates and maybe just maybe, win this thing.
I've been on Alvin's side since I met him months ago when he spoke to a crowd of 15 dems at HQ on Beach. I've been working with the campaign for a while now, and I do guerrilla canvassing and signs where I engage Republicans... I posted why I like Alvin @ http://AlvinForMayor.blogspot.com
The guy worked his own ass through college and holds an MBA in BUSINESS... worked in urban policy with application, and in an Executive In Residence @ JU Davis School of Business. Just the place for a socialist liberal, eh? The PLUTOCRATS on the tea baggin' bubba butt buddie right need to get a clue. Government is a business in which we are all stockholders designed and empowered to protect us, and provide us the educational and infrastructure resources that enable us to have fertile ground for capitalism to flourish in, which builds our tax base and lowers our tax expenditures. Alvin gets that like any enlightened capitalist American Democrat, and will find solutions to our problems with the mindset of a business minded administrator. Hogan is a joke, out to serve the wealthy and not give a damn about anyone else. NOgan!
To the nuts and bolts, look at Alvin's resume' True, he sounds like he's Sunday-go-to-meeting, but the red letters are ingrained in him without him polluted with the self-righteous judgmental hate of the Hoganators (as my son calls them). He says that same damn stump, and repeats himself a little-so he's not as polished a public speaker, and pings the catch phrases of that stump again and again, but he means what he says and looks you dead in the eye without his eyes shifting like liars do. He's all in.
Many people didn't vote for him because they thought he didn't have a chance and didn't want to waste their vote. Also, yes, there is voter apathy, but this is a culturally brain-dead city for the most part; which is another reason for a Republican to cut education-the uneducated don't vote.
I saw some comments by Shelton and others on FB dealing with the race issue. Yes, Jacksonville thinks in terms of the "N" word all the time (why do people use it in conversation and fear writing it down publicly, anyway? Hell, use it in context to combat it and you dis empower it) There is soft racism, and poverty keeps the cycle in place, and they know it and use it to control as they do fear and hate, or has anyone not seen the crap coming from Northeast Florida Committee for Principled Government (?) Hate-mongers, and they think it's okay, and so does their target market, who votes NOgan.
This is a town of insiders who have made what could be an amazing town into a wreck. It's like a "Wonderful Life" only Pottersville remains. 4 out of 10 kids NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!!! and cutting education in the state that spends the least already is supposed to attract business how?????
Tea Baggers DO NOT KNOW what the Constitution really means. They don't know what a social contract is. It is a form of Plutocratic New Feudalism, and it will turn us into a Third World nation if we aren't careful. That might be why ethics isn't taught in schools anymore. It was our best weapon for equity and social progress.
Alvin will foster the kind of growth we need, and the rest is on us as a society. He understands the need for infill, mass transit, controlled spending, incentive based programs, you know-the stuff that works and yields good results. Welcome to the campaign, and if you take a good logical look at both candidates and still like NOgan then i suggest you pull your head out and start to remove the fecal matter from your ears.
Luv Y'all...
Skot, most of us here know all about Hogan and what life might be like with him as mayor. What we lack is a better understanding of what Alvin is all about. Now I am speaking only for myself here, but I would prefer a more positive message from Alvin's supporters. I think on this website that you will get more people excited about voting for Alvin by talking about the good things Alvin will do for Jacksonville.
Can you get him to come online with us and answer some questions? We had the pleasure of such a dialogue with Jim Bailey and Audrey; and both had pretty good support here as a result.
If you want to convert at least one Hogan vote to a Brown vote you could probably do one simple thing - get Mr. Brown to paddle Hogans Creek with Noone. We could have an Alvin Brown rally on Hogans Creek!
Doug, It would be a pleasure to paddle Hogans Creek with you, Jacob, Mr. Brown, Field, and anybody else. You are right that the river access issue is big with me and I'm not backing off one paddle stroke when I say that if you think we are getting more access and economic opportunity to the river we are getting less.
The legislative window is closing rapidly for the current administration and city council for an ordinance on the Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier, AKA-Bay St. Pier Park, AKA- Jacksonville's Downtown Tradeport Pier. And the easiest icing on the cake an ord. for Hogans Creek. The light bulb just blinks when you are under that FDOT overpass and the potential that is just there waiting for everyone.
Imagine the flotilla......
Daniel O'Byrne the brand new director of Visit Jacksonville.
Tera Meeks the brand new Division Chief of Property Management and Programming for the Preservation Parks.
Paul Anderson the brand new Director of the Jacksonville Port Authority.
Ricker with the Jacksonville Marina Mile in Dist. 14
Ron Littlepage if we mention that this will be the newest Preservation Project.
Ron Barton, Jerry Mallot, Terry Lorrince, They will be the ones in the boat with a different marketing approach to bring people Downtown and up Hogans Creek.
Robert with Robert's Eatery will be under the FDOT overpass with his Gator tent along with councilman Gaffney. 2010-856 is still pending legislation.
Gaffney will throw a football pass to Jaxson who will then water ski out of Hogans Creek to the thunderous applause of people lining both sides of the bank as we truly celebrate access to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River.
Legislation is the only way we will be allowed to participate.
City council meeting in 15 days.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 16 days.
St. Johns River Alliance Board meeting in 17 days.
The state of Florida is watching.
My only question to Doug. Will this be a high tide or low tide? LOL. Either way with the Skiles team it will be fun.
Quote from: Skot David Wilson on March 28, 2011, 04:18:10 AM
I've been on Alvin's side since I met him months ago when he spoke to a crowd of 15 dems at HQ on Beach. I've been working with the campaign for a while now, and I do guerrilla canvassing and signs where I engage Republicans... I posted why I like Alvin @ http://AlvinForMayor.blogspot.com
The guy worked his own ass through college and holds an MBA in BUSINESS... worked in urban policy with application, and in an Executive In Residence @ JU Davis School of Business. Just the place for a socialist liberal, eh? The PLUTOCRATS on the tea baggin' bubba butt buddie right need to get a clue. Government is a business in which we are all stockholders designed and empowered to protect us, and provide us the educational and infrastructure resources that enable us to have fertile ground for capitalism to flourish in, which builds our tax base and lowers our tax expenditures. Alvin gets that like any enlightened capitalist American Democrat, and will find solutions to our problems with the mindset of a business minded administrator. Hogan is a joke, out to serve the wealthy and not give a damn about anyone else. NOgan!
To the nuts and bolts, look at Alvin's resume' True, he sounds like he's Sunday-go-to-meeting, but the red letters are ingrained in him without him polluted with the self-righteous judgmental hate of the Hoganators (as my son calls them). He says that same damn stump, and repeats himself a little-so he's not as polished a public speaker, and pings the catch phrases of that stump again and again, but he means what he says and looks you dead in the eye without his eyes shifting like liars do. He's all in.
Many people didn't vote for him because they thought he didn't have a chance and didn't want to waste their vote. Also, yes, there is voter apathy, but this is a culturally brain-dead city for the most part; which is another reason for a Republican to cut education-the uneducated don't vote.
I saw some comments by Shelton and others on FB dealing with the race issue. Yes, Jacksonville thinks in terms of the "N" word all the time (why do people use it in conversation and fear writing it down publicly, anyway? Hell, use it in context to combat it and you dis empower it) There is soft racism, and poverty keeps the cycle in place, and they know it and use it to control as they do fear and hate, or has anyone not seen the crap coming from Northeast Florida Committee for Principled Government (?) Hate-mongers, and they think it's okay, and so does their target market, who votes NOgan.
This is a town of insiders who have made what could be an amazing town into a wreck. It's like a "Wonderful Life" only Pottersville remains. 4 out of 10 kids NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!!! and cutting education in the state that spends the least already is supposed to attract business how?????
Tea Baggers DO NOT KNOW what the Constitution really means. They don't know what a social contract is. It is a form of Plutocratic New Feudalism, and it will turn us into a Third World nation if we aren't careful. That might be why ethics isn't taught in schools anymore. It was our best weapon for equity and social progress.
Alvin will foster the kind of growth we need, and the rest is on us as a society. He understands the need for infill, mass transit, controlled spending, incentive based programs, you know-the stuff that works and yields good results. Welcome to the campaign, and if you take a good logical look at both candidates and still like NOgan then i suggest you pull your head out and start to remove the fecal matter from your ears.
Luv Y'all...
You have tactfully convinced each and every teabagger the error of his/her ways. (They're all racists, you know.)
Nice work!
Quote from: Skot David Wilson on March 28, 2011, 04:18:10 AM
I've been on Alvin's side since I met him months ago when he spoke to a crowd of 15 dems at HQ on Beach. I've been working with the campaign for a while now, and I do guerrilla canvassing and signs where I engage Republicans... I posted why I like Alvin @ http://AlvinForMayor.blogspot.com
The guy worked his own ass through college and holds an MBA in BUSINESS... worked in urban policy with application, and in an Executive In Residence @ JU Davis School of Business. Just the place for a socialist liberal, eh? The PLUTOCRATS on the tea baggin' bubba butt buddie right need to get a clue. Government is a business in which we are all stockholders designed and empowered to protect us, and provide us the educational and infrastructure resources that enable us to have fertile ground for capitalism to flourish in, which builds our tax base and lowers our tax expenditures. Alvin gets that like any enlightened capitalist American Democrat, and will find solutions to our problems with the mindset of a business minded administrator. Hogan is a joke, out to serve the wealthy and not give a damn about anyone else. NOgan!
To the nuts and bolts, look at Alvin's resume' True, he sounds like he's Sunday-go-to-meeting, but the red letters are ingrained in him without him polluted with the self-righteous judgmental hate of the Hoganators (as my son calls them). He says that same damn stump, and repeats himself a little-so he's not as polished a public speaker, and pings the catch phrases of that stump again and again, but he means what he says and looks you dead in the eye without his eyes shifting like liars do. He's all in.
Many people didn't vote for him because they thought he didn't have a chance and didn't want to waste their vote. Also, yes, there is voter apathy, but this is a culturally brain-dead city for the most part; which is another reason for a Republican to cut education-the uneducated don't vote.
I saw some comments by Shelton and others on FB dealing with the race issue. Yes, Jacksonville thinks in terms of the "N" word all the time (why do people use it in conversation and fear writing it down publicly, anyway? Hell, use it in context to combat it and you dis empower it) There is soft racism, and poverty keeps the cycle in place, and they know it and use it to control as they do fear and hate, or has anyone not seen the crap coming from Northeast Florida Committee for Principled Government (?) Hate-mongers, and they think it's okay, and so does their target market, who votes NOgan.
This is a town of insiders who have made what could be an amazing town into a wreck. It's like a "Wonderful Life" only Pottersville remains. 4 out of 10 kids NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!!! and cutting education in the state that spends the least already is supposed to attract business how?????
Tea Baggers DO NOT KNOW what the Constitution really means. They don't know what a social contract is. It is a form of Plutocratic New Feudalism, and it will turn us into a Third World nation if we aren't careful. That might be why ethics isn't taught in schools anymore. It was our best weapon for equity and social progress.
Alvin will foster the kind of growth we need, and the rest is on us as a society. He understands the need for infill, mass transit, controlled spending, incentive based programs, you know-the stuff that works and yields good results. Welcome to the campaign, and if you take a good logical look at both candidates and still like NOgan then i suggest you pull your head out and start to remove the fecal matter from your ears.
Luv Y'all...
This makes me just want to stay home :-(
I would like to disassociate myself from Skot's comments, above. I don't see this race in those terms, at all. And while that frame might have worked in the first election, those comments and sentiments are not helpful as we prepare to choose a new Mayor on May 17.
For me, this Mayoral election is a contest between two thoughtful and earnest public servants who offer a differing vision for Jacksonville, and who bring a different focus to solving our civic problems. I don't think that Mr. Hogan is a boogeyman. I don't think insulting him or his name speaks to the kind of public dialogue we should be having.
These men share some similarities. They are both deeply faithful and religious men. This doesn't turn me off to either of them; many in Jacksonville are religious or spiritual people. No harm there.
Anyway, what I would propose is that people get to know Mr. Brown. He's been the unknown to many here in this race. I've been in his circles for the last 8 years, or so, through my work with the local party. He's always been thoughtful and engaged in public service. When he's been called on to solve problems, whether by Presidents or neighbors, he's rolled up his sleeves and dug into the work. I think we need a happy warrior as our next Mayor. Someone with a can-do attitude and a spirit to help make a difference.
I will ask the campaign to send an official representative here to speak to posters. In fact, I'll ask for Mr. Brown himself to take part here as other candidates have done in the past. In the meantime, Mr. Brown's website is a good place to start to learn more about the man who I'm supporting for Mayor. Check it out. http://alvinformayor.com/
Jimmy
Thanks for your comments without resorting to name calling. I voted for Audrey and as I mentioned earlier I find myself leaning towards Mr. Brown at this point. However I am still waiting for a reply from his campaign to an e-mail I sent last Wednesday asking where he might be speaking in the next few weeks so I can hear what he has to say. I understand he was at RAM this past saturday. Wish I had know since I live just up the street from there.
Hopefully he can get here on MJ and talk to members. I really want to hear what he has to say.
John
If I was an Audrey Moran voter in the first round of the mayor's race, there would be no doubt in my mind where to throw my support in the upcoming runoff election. There would be nothing for me to agonize, wonder and doubt about... The choice is rather clear. 'nuff said...
P.S. - I don't feel like painting you a picture. You figure it out ; ) --- Go, Alvin, Go! Um...I guess I did paint a picture... Oh, well!
Quote from: stephendare on March 28, 2011, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Skot David Wilson on March 28, 2011, 04:18:10 AM
I've been on Alvin's side since I met him months ago when he spoke to a crowd of 15 dems at HQ on Beach. I've been working with the campaign for a while now, and I do guerrilla canvassing and signs where I engage Republicans... I posted why I like Alvin @ http://AlvinForMayor.blogspot.com
The guy worked his own ass through college and holds an MBA in BUSINESS... worked in urban policy with application, and in an Executive In Residence @ JU Davis School of Business. Just the place for a socialist liberal, eh? The PLUTOCRATS on the tea baggin' bubba butt buddie right need to get a clue. Government is a business in which we are all stockholders designed and empowered to protect us, and provide us the educational and infrastructure resources that enable us to have fertile ground for capitalism to flourish in, which builds our tax base and lowers our tax expenditures. Alvin gets that like any enlightened capitalist American Democrat, and will find solutions to our problems with the mindset of a business minded administrator. Hogan is a joke, out to serve the wealthy and not give a damn about anyone else. NOgan!
To the nuts and bolts, look at Alvin's resume' True, he sounds like he's Sunday-go-to-meeting, but the red letters are ingrained in him without him polluted with the self-righteous judgmental hate of the Hoganators (as my son calls them). He says that same damn stump, and repeats himself a little-so he's not as polished a public speaker, and pings the catch phrases of that stump again and again, but he means what he says and looks you dead in the eye without his eyes shifting like liars do. He's all in.
Many people didn't vote for him because they thought he didn't have a chance and didn't want to waste their vote. Also, yes, there is voter apathy, but this is a culturally brain-dead city for the most part; which is another reason for a Republican to cut education-the uneducated don't vote.
I saw some comments by Shelton and others on FB dealing with the race issue. Yes, Jacksonville thinks in terms of the "N" word all the time (why do people use it in conversation and fear writing it down publicly, anyway? Hell, use it in context to combat it and you dis empower it) There is soft racism, and poverty keeps the cycle in place, and they know it and use it to control as they do fear and hate, or has anyone not seen the crap coming from Northeast Florida Committee for Principled Government (?) Hate-mongers, and they think it's okay, and so does their target market, who votes NOgan.
This is a town of insiders who have made what could be an amazing town into a wreck. It's like a "Wonderful Life" only Pottersville remains. 4 out of 10 kids NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!!! and cutting education in the state that spends the least already is supposed to attract business how?????
Tea Baggers DO NOT KNOW what the Constitution really means. They don't know what a social contract is. It is a form of Plutocratic New Feudalism, and it will turn us into a Third World nation if we aren't careful. That might be why ethics isn't taught in schools anymore. It was our best weapon for equity and social progress.
Alvin will foster the kind of growth we need, and the rest is on us as a society. He understands the need for infill, mass transit, controlled spending, incentive based programs, you know-the stuff that works and yields good results. Welcome to the campaign, and if you take a good logical look at both candidates and still like NOgan then i suggest you pull your head out and start to remove the fecal matter from your ears.
Luv Y'all...
Scott.
This post comes dangerously close to violating our rules of civility.
Please keep your posts polite as well as impassioned. People can make up their own minds without a bunch of jingoistic gobbledegook.
This city is not culturally brain dead. It is underserved by our City apparatus, and I hope every writer, singer, painter, illustrator, thinker, designer, architect, pastor, composer, dancer and choreographer in the city takes offense at casual comments like these.
The city voted against Hogan by 65%. 45% of the voters chose extremely progressive forwards thinking candidates: Audrey and Alvin. Rick Mullaney only managed to garner the moderates.
Please stop with the constant mischaracterizations of this city. There is racism. Yes. And there is racism in every city of the south, including Atlanta and Miami. But we have to stop letting the minority control city politics, and the type of sentiment expressed in your post is not a rallying cry. Its a turn off.
You seem impassioned. I suggest that you open your eyes and look around you at the new reality that has sprung up over the past 20 years. Its time to try something new, because even with a majority of the city wanting change, the same old crap aint working.
I don't fault Skot David Wilson for his passion. I feel a great amount of frustration over the choices that Jacksonville has made regarding its leadership and frustration over the choices that the city leaders make when choosing a direction for Jacksonville.
Yeah, he could be a bit more nuanced in his message, but I sense the palpable anger that he feels. I hope that we can channel this emotion into real action for our great, but flawed city.
I know Skot has been working hard in this election cycle. I don't mean to take anything away from that. But we're moving into a "unity" phase of the campaign where Mr. Brown needs to court and win the votes of Republicans and moderates (in order to be elected Mayor). Words matter.
QuoteMr. Brown has the experience and vision that we need to take Jacksonville to the next level
Really? He got all that experience in Washington DC, so how does that qualify him to lead Jacksonville? Brown seems like a nice guy, but he cannot win against Hogan's local experience in City Council, Tax Collector and State of Florida Legislature. Hogan has done more for the citizens in Jacksonville and Florida and his record shows.
QuoteWhat are these good things he did for Jacksonville that the record demonstrates, mtrain?
Stephen, I am sure you will have fun looking that up for us all to see. Yet, when it comes to Brown's Florida record, the manilla folder will be a wee bit more bare than that of Mr. Hogan, eh?
Go ahead find your Tsunami of information! I am ready by the keyboard.
QuoteIf you have some example, well then lets hear it.
Better yet, why don't you go and experience it. Burn a few calories, get the feet moving, head on down to the local tax collector office and see how a few simple enhancements can make what was a burdernsome system of much more efficient.
But if you hide behind a keyboard, you probably never see it.
I do not believe it matters how much Mike Hogan has done. It matters more, IMHO, what he has done... A truckload of manure will always outweigh a single flower. Not that I am making any direct comparison ; )
But, Mr. Dare, you are too busy hiding behind a keyboard ; )
QuoteSo he was a good administrator? Ok.
Its a wee bit bigger than he had a nice signature at the bottom of the page, he has a Tsunami of credit behind his name, but we will see it pan out soon enough.
Mtrain, you seriously can't think of one thing?
QuoteMtrain, you seriously can't think of one thing?
Tsunami comes to mind.
QuoteGo Team Hogan!
Go Team Moran!
A wise, ardent supporter of any candidate would not gloat over the defeat of a fellow republican, rather offer reasons to join the winning R campaign.
No?
Quote from: stephendare on March 28, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 28, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
QuoteSo he was a good administrator? Ok.
Its a wee bit bigger than he had a nice signature at the bottom of the page, he has a Tsunami of credit behind his name, but we will see it pan out soon enough.
Well give us a taste of whats in the pan, mtrain.
Surely you can think of something....
THIS I gotta hear..... ;)
Quote from: buckethead on March 28, 2011, 07:59:41 PM
A wise, ardent supporter of any candidate would not gloat over the defeat of a fellow republican, rather offer reasons to join the winning R campaign.
No?
Hogan actually acknowledged Brown politely in his victory speech. I think the passion of the argument as gotten many resentful and things like buckethead pointed out get said. Anyhow, this is good so we can look forward to a strong turnout. As this past turnout was terrible!
Mtrains comment against the accomplishments of Brown being out of state obvoiusly carries a lot of weight in Jacksonville. It makes me question the strategy of any mayoral debate. With both candidates presenting the opposite ideas of the future of the city, Brown should concentrate on where he has high appeal and inspire those voters to show up at the polls.
Another wild question to throw out here;
Will Audrey back a candidate?
I'm lead to believe that Hogan never approached her in a derogatory way. Its almost like she has to endorse him or face the wrath of the Duval republicans. Like leave the party? oops, no pun intended!
Brown needs to talk about his and our hopes and aspirations as a city.
Hogan can only talk about his fears (so far, anyway).
Sometimes the voters will chase their dreams for a better tomorrow. Other times they will be overcome by fear and prefer to hunker down.
Hopefully we have a crop of dream-chasers going to the polls on May 17.
Hillary supporter, I believe Audrey would decline to make an endorsement before endorsing Mr. Hogan. She was never a "party player" in the GOP. I don't think she feels beholden.
Quote from: Jimmy on March 28, 2011, 09:05:07 PM
Brown needs to talk about his and our hopes and aspirations as a city.
Hogan can only talk about his fears (so far, anyway).
Sometimes the voters will chase their dreams for a better tomorrow. Other times they will be overcome by fear and prefer to hunker down.
Hopefully we have a crop of dream-chasers going to the polls on May 17.
Hillary supporter, I believe Audrey would decline to make an endorsement before endorsing Mr. Hogan. She was never a "party player" in the GOP. I don't think she feels beholden.
She would be a great demo candidate in 2012. I think she could whip Crenshaw here in his congressional seat.
Crenshaw's seat has been gerrymandered to perfection, like the rest of Florida. One race at a time. :)
Quote from: johnnyroadglide on March 28, 2011, 08:50:42 AM
Jimmy
Thanks for your comments without resorting to name calling. I voted for Audrey and as I mentioned earlier I find myself leaning towards Mr. Brown at this point. However I am still waiting for a reply from his campaign to an e-mail I sent last Wednesday asking where he might be speaking in the next few weeks so I can hear what he has to say. I understand he was at RAM this past saturday. Wish I had know since I live just up the street from there.
Hopefully he can get here on MJ and talk to members. I really want to hear what he has to say.
John
I've heard from the campaign this morning about a '"low-dollar" fundraiser and chance to meet Alvin Brown, downtown, this Thursday.
Posted about it here: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,11671.0.html
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 28, 2011, 07:54:09 PM
QuoteGo Team Hogan!
Go Team Moran!
Typical M-train response :). Hogan didn't get my vote the first time, and definitely wont in May.. if for no other reason... because YOU support him.
This race is not over as some "experts" think. Still an uphill climb but Alvin is truly an excellent candidate.
Quote from: mfc on April 05, 2011, 10:14:31 PM
This race is not over as some "experts" think. Still an uphill climb but Alvin is truly an excellent candidate.
Hey folks, if mfc says it, its without doubt! Best news ive heard since the primary election results!
+1 ! Thanks MFC
Contribute if you can, talk up your candidate and vote.
I was called my Alvin today to meet. I appreciated him personally reaching out to me. I was impressed with how far he has come in the last few days. Hogan is still the favorite no doubt. However, Alvin is catching peoples attention. I am still waiting to see a little more but would like to share a story about Alvin and his sweet wife santhia. Back in 1994 Alvin and I developed a friendship. He was working at the white house at the time but I had met him in Jacksonville which was and obviously still his hometown. He heard I wanted to take my wife and young family to Washington dc by train to visit all the sites. He said to call him when I made plans and he would show me around. I had just lost a race for the Florida senate. Well , I took my then young family by train to Washington dc and Alvin and his sweet wife picked us up in his van from union station. They rolled out the red carpet for Karen and I and showed us all the sights for 5 days after his workday was complete. Alvin got our family a wonderful tour of the white house. When he says he knows his way around Washington dc, believe me when i tell you, he knows his way around. He and santhia had us over to their house for dinner and could not have been nicer and more accommodating. At the time I was a defeated candidate for senate so I did not have
much if any political clout to give him. He was just a good guy true to his word. Alvin is an amazing young man
who overcame great odds , earned an MBA at jacksonville university and worked for the president of the united
states. Don't count this man out!! Btw, i met him at the metro diner this morning and could not find him. He was going to all
the tables flashing his trademark smile and introducing himself with great enthusiasm. It was fun to watch! Just my observation to date. Matt Carlucci sr
Matt, you lead my family to support Audrey. I will be following you closely as you get to know Alvin better and hope that we can get the opportunity to meet him the same way that we got to meet Audrey. Thanks for your leadership in the community!