The money and high level endorsements did not seem to turn the tide. Mr. Weaver was not able to buy the mayor's office. You could make the run-off without being at most of the forums and if you were there, you did not have to be very well versed on issues to be successful. Maybe the negative ads took its toll on two of the candidates.... one receiving and one slinging. I wonder if Johnny and Herb are drunk yet? And I would like to congratulate Diane for weathering the storm on here and siding with a winner.
Congrats Mullaney camp. You're asinine negative ads just gave us
Jerry Falwell as our next mayor. Thanks guys.
Congrats to Alvin Brown. The real issue with Jacksonville and our economy is JOBS. His experience running a jobs program for President Clinton makes him the best candidate. Mike Hogan will cut jobs for the city. The truth will come out in the next 2 months!
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Congrats Mullaney camp. You're asinine negative ads just gave us
Jerry Falwell as our next mayor. Thanks guys.
+100000 YOU JAGOFFS!
my thoughts are as follows:
1. 125,000 people voted....forget the turnout they report (that's registered voters only), around 15% of this city cared enough to take 5 minutes out of their day!
2. Alvin Brown and the Democrats got their base to turn out...and from what I saw/heard tonight, that may be because of the Sherriff's race...so kudos to Ken Jefferson (and shame on John Rutherford).
3. It is time that city elections truly become non-partisan....party designations shouldn't even show up on the ballot.
4. In the meantime, it would be nice to see the "establishment" in this town get behind Brown.
Now all that said, #4 is highly unlikely...so say hello to Mike Hogan, the next mayor of Jacksonville!
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Congrats Mullaney camp. You're asinine negative ads just gave us
Jerry Falwell as our next mayor. Thanks guys.
+100000 YOU JAGOFFS!
Your anger is misdirected. The voters are to blame - Jax wants more of the same. For the past 4 years I've been saying "just 4 more years, just 3 more years, just 2 more years, just 1 more year." Looks like I'll start back over at 4...
Oh, and the turn out is beyond pathetic. Jax just doesn't care :(
Quote from: coredumped on March 22, 2011, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Congrats Mullaney camp. You're asinine negative ads just gave us
Jerry Falwell as our next mayor. Thanks guys.
+100000 YOU JAGOFFS!
Your anger is misdirected. The voters are to blame - Jax wants more of the same. For the past 4 years I've been saying "just 4 more years, just 3 more years, just 2 more years, just 1 more year." Looks like I'll start back over at 4...
Oh, and the turn out is beyond pathetic. Jax just doesn't care :(
At least now we'll have mandatory workplace prayer.
Quote from: coredumped on March 22, 2011, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Congrats Mullaney camp. You're asinine negative ads just gave us
Jerry Falwell as our next mayor. Thanks guys.
+100000 YOU JAGOFFS!
Your anger is misdirected. The voters are to blame - Jax wants more of the same. For the past 4 years I've been saying "just 4 more years, just 3 more years, just 2 more years, just 1 more year." Looks like I'll start back over at 4...
Oh, and the turn out is beyond pathetic. Jax just doesn't care :(
Not really I talked to a LOT of people who are ignorant enough to believe what they saw on TV, and stupid enough to vote for a name they "knew" on a ticket, even in our neighborhood race, peeps voted against THEIRSELEVES,hi as if they or theirs or less than.... This election made it crystal clear the self hatred all of Cowford residents have, but especially our minoroties. All i can say is sad, sad for all of us.
>:( Pissed! >:(
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 22, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
my thoughts are as follows:
1. 125,000 people voted....forget the turnout they report (that's registered voters only), around 15% of this city cared enough to take 5 minutes out of their day!
2. Alvin Brown and the Democrats got their base to turn out...and from what I saw/heard tonight, that may be because of the Sherriff's race...so kudos to Ken Jefferson (and shame on John Rutherford).
3. It is time that city elections truly become non-partisan....party designations shouldn't even show up on the ballot.
4. In the meantime, it would be nice to see the "establishment" in this town get behind Brown.
Now all that said, #4 is highly unlikely...so say hello to Mike Hogan, the next mayor of Jacksonville!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOT Hogan!!!!
Being in St Johns County, maybe I don't have the right to bitch.
Never stopped me before.
I have been considering a move into Springfield. The Timing seemed perfect.
Prices are stupid low, and should a downtown revitalization of any reasonable measure occur, property values in the core stand to increase drastically.
I don't see this happening for some time now.
I do believe it was the negative ads running for the past few days that did our best hope in.
I really haven't kept up with Brown, but I'll start learning now. I still don't see much hope there.
Look for anti Obama ads linking any D to everything from Mandated health insurance to deficit spending and confiscatory taxation.
What does Hogan want with the mayors office? What is his end game?
Quote from: buckethead on March 22, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
Being in St Johns County, maybe I don't have the right to bitch.
Never stopped me before.
I have been considering a move into Springfield. The Timing seemed perfect.
Prices are stupid low, and should a downtown revitalization of any reasonable measure occur, property values in the core stand to increase drastically.
I don't see this happening for some time now.
I do believe it was the negative ads running for the past few days that did our best hope in.
I really haven't kept up with Brown, but I'll start learning now. I still don't see much hope there.
Look for anti Obama ads linking any D to everything from Mandated health insurance to deficit spending and confiscatory taxation.
What does Hogan want with the mayors office? What is his end game?
Milking the tax payors of two salaries....smart people making it though the last four years will start to leave, the market is not that bad and they can sell and move on from Jacksontucky...
This is great news, finally FBC-2 can begin construction at the Shipyards site.
In few years, I will be moving to Seattle, Washington, or other better cities because I cannot stay in Jacksonville forever and be choked by the idiocy of the people of Jacksonville in doing something about their own city by not providing any FEASIBLE transportation, an inspiring downtown, and stable management of the city government.
I gave Jacksonville a last chance and it went out of the window with Audrey.
I got three words for you, non-participating voters of Jacksonville: ABSOLUTELY FUCK YOU.
-Josh
I posted this on the Mullaney thread. Adding it here:Quote from: stjr on March 22, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
The irony of the Mullaney campaign is his "No tax increases - I am the ultimate conservative" was really more targeted toward Hogan's rock solid base than Moran. Yet, he chose to pursue Moran rather than Hogan when I guess his campaign realized that Hogan had the far right locked up tight. Going after Moran then turned away much of the rest of his potential support. While Mullaney's attacks lost him voters it also probably hurt Moran opening the door for Brown.
Basically, Mullaney waffling on where he was on the political spectrum led to his failure to build much of a core base beyond what he could muster from his dedicated and loyal personal "friends". It's a tribute to Mullaney that he did as well as did at the finish line.
But always a failure to the city that he attacked Moran, that will be his legacy, f him and the lazy voters of Jax too- even my 8 yr old knew he was a loser on those campaign adds
Interesting exchange of ideas here. This is the "smart" people?
On Hogan's issues page the first four are cutting taxes, second amendment, illegal immigration and sanctity of life. Not much of a list that a mayor will be working on. Thanks my fellow Jacksondumbasses
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:19:59 PM
Interesting exchange of ideas here. This is the "smart" people?
There is some venting going on here.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
On Hogan's issues page the first four are cutting taxes, second amendment, illegal immigration and sanctity of life. Not much of a list that a mayor will be working on. Thanks my fellow Jacksondumbasses
+1
Not now- really? So the "smart people voted" really? You honestly beleive that? I talked to people tonight who did not even know more than two names on the ticket.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
On Hogan's issues page the first four are cutting taxes, second amendment, illegal immigration and sanctity of life. Not much of a list that a mayor will be working on. Thanks my fellow Jacksondumbasses
Jobs are not nearly as important as guns. Where did zoology rank?
Hogan makes Peyton look like a flaming liberal. I'm sure we won't get anymore insider/GOB network at least.
I realize you may some here may have to interact with him should the inevitable come to pass, but as for me, I am disappointed, and I fully understand the disappointment of those sharing the sentiment.
Audrey was no heretic. Not a tax and spend lunatic.
She wasn't trying to kill baby Jesus. She had a realistic view, and an understanding that smart decisions need to be made regarding solvency and moving into prosperity.
I fear Jacksonville is getting Rick Scott Jr. A man who I defended against charges of being an outright criminal, but he is most certainly guilty of giving HCA it's direction and mission statement: Shoddy services and facilities for top prices.
Jacksonville is going to remain the HCA of cities. Only those trapped by HMOs will utilize our fair(ly vacant) city.
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
At least now we'll have mandatory workplace prayer.
While I don't go in for criticizing religious views or God, your comment struck a cord...
This time we are going to need those prayers, God is even expecting to hear from the resident athiests!OCKLAWAHA
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
I'm ready to hear the issues addressed. Perhaps a televised debate for the runoff?
Nevermind.
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
On Hogan's issues page the first four are cutting taxes, second amendment, illegal immigration and sanctity of life. Not much of a list that a mayor will be working on. Thanks my fellow Jacksondumbasses
+1
Not now- really? So the "smart people voted" really? You honestly beleive that? I talked to people tonight who did not even know more than two names on the ticket.
UG, my reference was to the name calling and cursing. A general lack of civility. I understand as Jeffrey said that it is "venting". My feeble attempt was to guide us all back to the issues. No offense was intended.
Alvin's issues list is as follows 1. Jobs 2. Balanced Budget 3.Education 4. Public Safety. Contrast that with Hogan's top four and even the most conservative among us see that Alvin has a better handle on what the job of Mayor is.
P.S. #5 Downtown Development
It is what is Notnow, I am not so upset that Audrey lost, as I am in the conversations over the past month with voters, not voting, and/or not knowing who was there to vote for.
I am an internal optimist and always give people credit, where perhaps credit is not due- it usually disappoints me :-(
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 11:39:31 PM
Alvin's issues list is as follows 1. Jobs 2. Balanced Budget 3.Education 4. Public Safety. Contrast that with Hogan's top four and even the most conservative among us see that Alvin has a better handle on what the job of Mayor is.
P.S. #5 Downtown Development
Emphasis added for my strong agreement with that sentence. It's ridiculous anyone would win on a list of issues that are irrelevant to the office. I was impressed by Alvin Brown in the debates.
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
+1
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
That's gonna leave a mark.^
My best opportunity is Orlando wish it was D.C. or Chicago.
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
Am I to assume that you now support Mr. Brown despite his publicly proud dedication to his religion?
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
Am I to assume that you now support Mr. Brown despite his publicly proud dedication to his religion?
Is your devil's advocate routine just that or are you a Hogan supporter? I have no problem with his religious beliefs. My problem with Hogan is that I fear ( I believe justifiably so) that he will insert those same religious beliefs when determining public policy. I don' think Brown will do this. Maybe I'm kidding myself but kinda doubt it. The question is, what do you think?
ugh so now we are down to who is less religious than the other- figures.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
Bingo.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PMenjoy Jacksonville's natural assets
If Jacksonville didn't have these natural assets. Would you still be here?
I will say this though. Jacksonville will have an advantage that very few cities in the United States can match. That is, we're cheap. Super cheap. Cheap enough that you can move to another city and probably have enough money left over to keep your property here. Think about what you can do with that :)
If the Tea Party really is true to their word about having less government, that also means you can do anything you want with that property. Anything without any government interference!
Quote from: cityimrov on March 23, 2011, 12:52:45 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PMenjoy Jacksonville's natural assets
If Jacksonville didn't have these natural assets. Would you still be here?
There wouldn't be a Jacksonville without said natural assets.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
Very well stated. I feel as if I just got punched in the stomach. My only hope is knowing that sometimes things have to get really bad to open the eyes of enough people to finally get better. But, it seems that I've been saying that for a while and I'm not sure how much more I can take.
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
Am I to assume that you now support Mr. Brown despite his publicly proud dedication to his religion?
Is your devil's advocate routine just that or are you a Hogan supporter? I have no problem with his religious beliefs. My problem with Hogan is that I fear ( I believe justifiably so) that he will insert those same religious beliefs when determining public policy. I don' think Brown will do this. Maybe I'm kidding myself but kinda doubt it. The question is, what do you think?
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
Im sorry but Hogan has had very little to say and that scares me. I am very afraid for this city. I guess 2012 is coming quicker than we think. LOL
Folks,
I am very sad for our city.
Our city missed out on: Audrey Moran, Michelle Tappouni, Diaz, and more.
I cannot take it anymore. I cannot take the frustration. Jacksonville is no longer my city. It is no longer my hometown on my Facebook profile. It is no longer a part of me.
I am very happy that I already live in a city that is moving forward at light speed. Yesterday I went to a volunteer sign up event for the Atlanta Beltline to help get people up to speed on it and sign people up. Soon Atlanta will have a loop of parks, bike trails, street-cars, and light rail around the urban core (the parks and bike trails are largely done already and look great!). Atlanta Metro voters so far are in favor of adding a SPLOST tax just for mass transit improvements, and this will be voted on next July. Sometimes I get frustrated up here, too, but not nearly as often and most people up here went to a decent college, so that helps a lot.
I don't think I will be posting on MetroJacksonville anymore. I just don't want anything to do with the city. I regard Jacksonville as the crappiest of the crap and Mike Hogan just unloaded a huge shit on top. The flies have come in to feed.
Being that cheap is not a good thing. The city is a very poor city and it shows everywhere. It's not a nice looking city, even with all of the water. Now you have the devil running it (I always picture Hogan with horns for some reason), so best of luck.
It's been a good several years.
PS: More of the same? Peyton was a visionary next to this guy. Peyton at least has a sister in NYC to keep him on his toes, a more highly educated and extensively traveled background, and he was never beholden to FBC or the Tea Party like Hogan is.
I bid my adieu. :(
QuoteI bid my adieu.
Enjoy Atlanta and the 40 county metropolis fraught with more corruption and issues in one day than we have in an entire year in Jacksonville. Having growin up in 30306 and going to Tech, I know that when Arrington ran against Campbell for mayor it was , which of the 2 crooks do we like least. Atlanta has nothing but crooks running for office, entitlements out the wazoo and property taxes that make Jacksonville look like a flea on an elephant. Atlanta is so much more of a zoo than Jax.
Voter Apathy is to blame for sure. Less than 30% of the voters come out to vote. Apparently there was not enough of a choice for the residents. So shame on the candidates for doing a poor job of connecting with the other 70% of voters.
HOGAN is the best of what is left and I am voting and campaigning for him!
Quote from: peestandingup on March 23, 2011, 12:44:18 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on March 22, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
Bingo.
Basically you are saying the people who live in Jacksonville are stupid. I can say that because the election result has reconfirmed, revalidated, and ensured that the people of Jacksonville (majority, clearly because low vote turnout) are stupider than rocks literally.
I am on a spree of making distasteful posts, venting my anger at the city of Jacksonville, so pardon me because I want the non-MetroJacksonville to read it and soak it in while rub the salt into their wounds.
Let us officially rename Jacksonville to
Jackassville in honor of the jackasses, not Andrew Jackson.
-Josh
QuoteI am on a spree of making distasteful posts, venting my anger at the city of Jacksonville, so pardon me because I want the non-MetroJacksonville to read it and soak it in while rub the salt into their wounds.
+1000
God I love free speech!
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 23, 2011, 08:25:57 AM
QuoteI am on a spree of making distasteful posts, venting my anger at the city of Jacksonville, so pardon me because I want the non-MetroJacksonville to read it and soak it in while rub the salt into their wounds.
+1000
God I love free speech!
I love free speech too! Living in a city that absolutely sucks in transportation with my progressive blindness pushing me closer and closer to the total blindness as my quality of life declines because the city doesn't allow me to migrate around easily. I can go into details and of course you can bring up points that I can get help from people, but the bottom line is I want to be free.
My heart was set in this city of Jacksonville because I have seen things that makes Jacksonville unique in contrast to other cities I have visited. I want to help this city so much by voting and talk about the topics make the stupid people of Jacksonville aware of it, but now I know where Jacksonville stands.
It is like having your heart ripped out and thrown away. Oh yes I can go BOO BOO over here, but I am going to just take it like a man and move on.
-Josh
Quote from: coredumped on March 22, 2011, 10:41:22 PM
Your anger is misdirected. The voters are to blame - Jax wants more of the same. For the past 4 years I've been saying "just 4 more years, just 3 more years, just 2 more years, just 1 more year." Looks like I'll start back over at 4...
Oh, and the turn out is beyond pathetic. Jax just doesn't care :(
I think that maybe part of the problem with Jacksonville is that it keeps demanding that it get screwed, and then not surprisingly, it gets screwed.
I think the attitude of voter's has come from years and years of mistrust. You vote for someone and expect to do what they say they are going to do. And BAM, you get screwed. And I honestly think that the citizens of Jacksonville just have given up and dont care anymore. Which is said. I hate to say it, but Im almost there myself. :(
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 23, 2011, 08:37:29 AM
I think the attitude of voter's has come from years and years of mistrust. You vote for someone and expect to do what they say they are going to do. And BAM, you get screwed.
which is exactly what will happen with Hogan...anyone who thinks he can cut $60+ million from the 2012 budget and potentially $250 million a few years down the road without additional taxes/fees and pension reform is in for a rude awakening.
Quote from: duvaldude08I think the attitude of voter's has come from years and years of mistrust. You vote for someone and expect to do what they say they are going to do. And BAM, you get screwed. And I honestly think that the citizens of Jacksonville just have given up and dont care anymore. Which is said. I hate to say it, but Im almost there myself. :(
You nailed it, and that's exactly how these lousy choices keep being elected into office. People have lost faith in our government, especially locally...which was clearly validated by the results. I feel like I'm just about to that point of no longer voting, the thought has crossed my mind...but there's still that small glimmer of light that still filters in through all of the dark dealings, the lousy contracts, the ever increasing of fees and so on...that I just cannot give up hope that one day the people will finally wake the hell up and realize that nothing will change until they get the hell out and vote.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 23, 2011, 08:37:29 AM
I think the attitude of voter's has come from years and years of mistrust. You vote for someone and expect to do what they say they are going to do. And BAM, you get screwed. And I honestly think that the citizens of Jacksonville just have given up and dont care anymore. Which is said. I hate to say it, but Im almost there myself. :(
Jacksonville doesn't care. The people who do care are mainly hardcore conservatives - those people tend to be real zealots - and apparently some progressive-minded people who couldn't decide which candidate to back, and some Democrats.
I was genuinely surprised that Mike Hogan did so well. I think I'll just enjoy owning my home the next few years and work on getting out of town. Sad because I am a 3rd generation Jacksonvillian but it's just sad being here. It's kind of depressing. Not that I think Mike Hogan is gonna destroy the city because what's left for him to ruin? The Skyway?
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 23, 2011, 08:37:29 AM
I think the attitude of voter's has come from years and years of mistrust. You vote for someone and expect to do what they say they are going to do. And BAM, you get screwed. And I honestly think that the citizens of Jacksonville just have given up and dont care anymore. Which is said. I hate to say it, but Im almost there myself. :(
Well when someone tells you they are going to cut your taxes in this climate, then they are lying to their public. People voted for Hogan, so personally it looks like they fell for it again and are setting themselves up to fall again and be oh so disappointed. When you hire a smart mayor things will happen progressively and when you hire a stupid mayor everything is going to go down the shitter...... and everyone is so upset. Oh I wonder why?
Quote from: Bativac on March 23, 2011, 09:25:32 AM
Sad because I am a 3rd generation Jacksonvillian but it's just sad being here. It's kind of depressing. Not that I think Mike Hogan is gonna destroy the city because what's left for him to ruin? The Skyway?
+1
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 11:29:22 PM
Not now- really? So the "smart people voted" really? You honestly beleive that?
Yeah, I believe it Girl, obviously they did vote... BOTH OF THEM. OCKLAWAHA
Good one OCK!
I will never give up on Jacksonville; Hogan is just one man and there are many around him, in addition to the citizens, who WILL keep him on his toes. He doesn't have all out power; so, if he sits on his ass and does nothing, believe me, there are people who will speak up and expose him. Don't give up the ship y'all!
"HU"
thanks for the encouraging words HU.
The only positive (and this is a stretch) is that if Hogan is elected, he will give Tony Sleiman whatever he wants to develop the Landing. After all the Sleiman has done for him, Hogan owes him big time.
Metrojax needs to get an audience with Alvin Brown and educate him extensively on what Jacksonville needs from their next mayor. I am mildly depressed this morning due to the fact that I had been waiting for yesterday for 4 years, only to have my hopes shattered.
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
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Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
Am I to assume that you now support Mr. Brown despite his publicly proud dedication to his religion?
Is your devil's advocate routine just that or are you a Hogan supporter? I have no problem with his religious beliefs. My problem with Hogan is that I fear ( I believe justifiably so) that he will insert those same religious beliefs when determining public policy. I don' think Brown will do this. Maybe I'm kidding myself but kinda doubt it. The question is, what do you think?
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
Hogan is not mayor yet. Maybe during the runoff people will actually mobilize to prevent him from becoming mayor instead of just talking or typing about it. Talking is easy but volunteering your time and energy is hard. If Mike Hogan does win then things will adjust accordingly for both good and bad. Overreaction to the result is common in emotional races whichever way they turn out. No need to overreact.
From today's Jacksonville.com article on the race:
Mike Hogan: “We’ve got a long ways to go, but this is an incredible feeling,†Hogan said. “To see all these folks here and know how many were with me 20 years ago, it’s an incredible feeling.â€
So much of what's wrong summed up in one statement, and almost no one else seems to see or care just how wrong it is or why. And my depression only gets deeper and deeper ...
I am going to figure out how I can support the Brown campaign today.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 10:29:43 AM
I am going to figure out how I can support the Brown campaign today.
You can start by going to the Jacksonville Young Democrats meeting tonight....it will be held at Northstar Substaion on bay Street at 7pm....Alvin (along with the Riverkeeper) will be there
Audrey can do something really great by throwing her support behind Brown.
Is the Riverkeeper seen as a democratic issue now? That's not good if it is.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
I'm with you CZ
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
The only positive (and this is a stretch) is that if Hogan is elected, he will give Tony Sleiman whatever he wants to develop the Landing. After all the Sleiman has done for him, Hogan owes him big time.
Metrojax needs to get an audience with Alvin Brown and educate him extensively on what Jacksonville needs from their next mayor. I am mildly depressed this morning due to the fact that I had been waiting for yesterday for 4 years, only to have my hopes shattered.
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
I am all for it! I am a multimedia designer, so I can devote my volunteer time to make videos, websites, and print packages for the effort!
-Josh
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
*Raises hand*
I'd like to help.
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
His ability as an abstract thinker? ;)
Quote from: John P on March 23, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
Is the Riverkeeper seen as a democratic issue now? That's not good if it is.
The Riverkeeper is nonpartisan but does not ignore political groups.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
Good idea. Past time for this.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
The only positive (and this is a stretch) is that if Hogan is elected, he will give Tony Sleiman whatever he wants to develop the Landing. After all the Sleiman has done for him, Hogan owes him big time.
Metrojax needs to get an audience with Alvin Brown and educate him extensively on what Jacksonville needs from their next mayor. I am mildly depressed this morning due to the fact that I had been waiting for yesterday for 4 years, only to have my hopes shattered.
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
Captain Zissou, I've been talking about something similar to this with a few friends of mine for a couple months now. I think last nights election may have pushed us over the top.
Lets have lunch. I'll shoot you a PM.
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: NotNow on March 22, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
I understand. I assume that many here will vote for Mr. Brown in the runoff. I found his religious victory speech to be quite interesting. Is he a "Jerry Fallwell" too? Mr. Brown is an intelligent, articulate, and experienced individual. I hope that you all can get past his religious nature and address his stance on the issues.
Hogan is a joke. In 90% of all other cities with pops over 500K a joke about "bombing an abortion clinic" would have meant certain doom. His support is all right wing nutters. He got about 50K tonight. The rest of the votes were split among 4 people all with better intellects. One of which was Brown.
Am I to assume that you now support Mr. Brown despite his publicly proud dedication to his religion?
Is your devil's advocate routine just that or are you a Hogan supporter? I have no problem with his religious beliefs. My problem with Hogan is that I fear ( I believe justifiably so) that he will insert those same religious beliefs when determining public policy. I don' think Brown will do this. Maybe I'm kidding myself but kinda doubt it. The question is, what do you think?
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
He seems to recognize that employment is a major factor right now in Jax. I don't know how he would fund it, but his opinions on incentives sound about right to me. He understands the importance of the port and the infrastructure requirements there. He has a reasonable stance on city employee pay and pensions, and seems to understand the local situation and doesn't just spew the national anti-union talking points. I'm not really big on his education ideas though.
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
I appreciate Hogan's campaign for smaller gov'ment. It's so refreshing and original. It's not as if he is trying to ride the coat tails of other politicians. He has fresh ideas.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 23, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
The only positive (and this is a stretch) is that if Hogan is elected, he will give Tony Sleiman whatever he wants to develop the Landing. After all the Sleiman has done for him, Hogan owes him big time.
Metrojax needs to get an audience with Alvin Brown and educate him extensively on what Jacksonville needs from their next mayor. I am mildly depressed this morning due to the fact that I had been waiting for yesterday for 4 years, only to have my hopes shattered.
There is no other option but to do this ourselves, regardless of who wins the mayoral election. Metrojacksonville needs to become an actual physical organization that champions historic preservation, environmental stewardship, urban development, and progressive government. This could take the shape of a consulting firm, a 501C-3, a development group..... anything. We need to organize and expand our influence. I am 110% committed to this idea. If you as well, contact me and we'll make it happen.
Absolutely!
Yesterday's election was not about ideas. It was about feelings, and a lot of people are feeling bad these days.
Support for the city's mainstream leadership has eroded, but there was still enough left yesterday to put one mainstream leader out in front. Unfortunately there were two mainstream leaders in the race, and Hogan finished ahead of both of them.
Either Moran or Mullaney might have won if they had had something better to show for past mainstream leadership initiatives, e.g. the Super Bowl.
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I think if we are all realistic with ourselves and accept the fact that the failings of Jacksonville are far less about policy, and far more due to the (relatively) backwards, uneducated, socially ignorant inhabitants of this city, we'd be a lot less disappointed when things like this happen. I'm not going to shake my fist and make empty promises about leaving -- at least not while I have a good job here and enjoy Jacksonville's natural assets -- but I really do think I am done caring about the city making much progress over the coming decade. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Jacksonville is a nice little city these days, but the damage that has been willfully done in the last five years, and the damage that continues to be done, will be felt for another 20 years. When I made the "why do you stay in Jacksonville?" thread, I learned that a lot of people on this board hold Jacksonville very dear to their heart and desperately want to see the city progress. I hate to say it, but it might be time to throw in the towel, concede defeat, and search for greener pastures. Nothing short of a massive population transplant is going to right this ship in the short to medium term. Maybe even the long term.
You only live once.
If what you want is a vibrant, culturally diverse city -- one with good mass transit, a lively downtown, a sense of identity and forward progression -- you owe it to yourself to seek that place out and make it your home.
Hate to say it, and this could just be a kneejerk reaction to this election, but if you're expecting any real progress in Jacksonville, you're betting on a loser.
Bingo.
Basically you are saying the people who live in Jacksonville are stupid. I can say that because the election result has reconfirmed, revalidated, and ensured that the people of Jacksonville (majority, clearly because low vote turnout) are stupider than rocks literally.
I am on a spree of making distasteful posts, venting my anger at the city of Jacksonville, so pardon me because I want the non-MetroJacksonville to read it and soak it in while rub the salt into their wounds.
Let us officially rename Jacksonville to Jackassville in honor of the jackasses, not Andrew Jackson.
-Josh
Well, stupid can means lots of things. I def think they're ignorant, backwards & have no clue what a real city is supposed to be like. I mean, just look around, that's pretty evident. Jax went from a pretty posh, thriving city with great public transit to a sprawled out sleepy town who literally destroyed everything they once were. Its hard to come back from that.
Like I said in another thread, I think there are some really bright people that live here who know the deal & have a good head on their shoulders when it comes to this stuff, but they're way outnumbered. Maybe someday that'll change, but its not gonna be anytime soon. That's pretty well a guarantee.
Quote from: peestandingup on March 22, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
Ah, if there's one thing I've def learned from living in this town for 4 years, studying its history, watching its people & the way things work in general, it's to never get your hopes up. Things have remained the same here for decades it would seem & I don't believe its something thats gonna change anytime soon. At least nothing that I'd feel comfortable waiting around 10 or 20 years for. Not when there's plenty of other fish in the sea.
People like us are way WAY outnumbered here. And most of the community are asleep, slaves to this system we're built here for ourselves, or just bumpkins who don't know any better. Sad, but true. Not saying they're bad people, they can like what they like. And if they want a city to be this way & are fine with it, then more power to them. But like I said, life's too short to be fighting so hard & not seeing much results.
There are a ton of bright people on these boards that I feel could really excel in a town that isn't purposely trying to hold them back. Some places just simply don't mesh well with certain people. That's all.
Quote from: copperfiend on March 23, 2011, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
I appreciate Hogan's campaign for smaller gov'ment. It's so refreshing and original. It's not as if he is trying to ride the coat tails of other politicians. He has fresh ideas.
We are on a different wave length.
:D
QuoteI think there are some really bright people that live here who know the deal & have a good head on their shoulders when it comes to this stuff, but they're way outnumbered.
By who?
Quote from: pwhitford on March 23, 2011, 10:29:03 AM
From today's Jacksonville.com article on the race:
Mike Hogan: “We’ve got a long ways to go, but this is an incredible feeling,†Hogan said. “To see all these folks here and know how many were with me 20 years ago, it’s an incredible feeling.â€
So much of what's wrong summed up in one statement, and almost no one else seems to see or care just how wrong it is or why. And my depression only gets deeper and deeper ...
He does have a long way to go! Dig in and support Hogans opposition . Theres much time for change to prevail. The young democrats are a great start. The campaign is one day at a time!
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Quote from: futurejax on March 23, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: NotNow on March 23, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
I voted for Hogan, and will do so again probably. I am not really impressed with any Mayor's candidate. Mr. Brown is intriguing and I will study his message and his actions over the next few months.
What was it about his non-existant platform that so intrigued you?
I appreciate Hogan's campaign for smaller gov'ment. It's so refreshing and original. It's not as if he is trying to ride the coat tails of other politicians. He has fresh ideas.
This made me audibly chuckle.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 23, 2011, 12:26:01 PM
:D QuoteI think there are some really bright people that live here who know the deal & have a good head on their shoulders when it comes to this stuff, but they're way outnumbered.
By who?
Joe Blow.
Quote from: stephendare on March 23, 2011, 12:32:35 PM
Quoteike I said in another thread, I think there are some really bright people that live here who know the deal & have a good head on their shoulders when it comes to this stuff, but they're way outnumbered. Maybe someday that'll change, but its not gonna be anytime soon. That's pretty well a guarantee.
I totally disagree with this. Yesterdays election results prove the exact opposite.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,11598.0.html
Yeah, but thats only a piece of the pie. Are we really gonna base this on one election night (that didn't have a high turnout)?? I'm looking at past, present & future. Proof is kind of in the pudding. The city by & large has no vision, neither do the vast majority of its people, and we all know this. If they did, we clearly wouldn't be in the spot that we're in. Complacency & mediocrity are all around us. That's not progressive by any stretch of the imagination.
We all have to remember, Jax is much bigger than what a lot of us probably see on here & in our day to day lives hanging around in the core. Those types of people we talk with on a regular basis are few & far between.
I don't think either one of these guys is a good thing anyway you slice it, but thats just me. The city's on a collision course that needed a strong leader who understood these issues to turn it around & we didn't get that.
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He does have a long way to go! Dig in and support Hogans opposition . Theres much time for change to prevail. The young democrats are a great start. The campaign is one day at a time!
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And don't forget about the moderate Republicans. I am one and there are many, many more.
Here is a story I heard bandied about:
Hogan's camp knew they had more than enough votes to make the runoff so they had some "excess" Hogan supporters vote for Brown to be sure he was the opposition. If it's true, Hogan's support was even stronger than the vote count shows ....and..... Brown's genuine support was weaker than the votes indicate and it explains the element of surprise in his totals. It also succeeded in assuring that Hogan would not have to oppose the strongest challenger for the runoff.
Is that legal?
Quote from: stjr on March 23, 2011, 10:34:01 PM
Here is a story I heard bandied about:
Hogan's camp knew they had more than enough votes to make the runoff so they had some "excess" Hogan supporters vote for Brown to be sure he was the opposition. If it's true, Hogan's support was even stronger than the vote count shows ....and..... Brown's genuine support was weaker than the votes indicate and it explains the element of surprise in his totals. It also succeeded in assuring that Hogan would not have to oppose the strongest challenger for the runoff.
I highly doubt that happened...all the polls going in showed Hogan pulling 25-28% of the vote...he got 34% on election night...so it seems unlikely many of his people went to Alvin (unless they lied to pollsters all along).
Bottom line...Brown had a good ground game...I heard from someone in the Democratic Party that the ground game on Tuesday was even better than it was in 2008 for Obama
QuoteGraham Branch Library, 2304 Myrtle Ave N, Located on the west side of Myrtle Ave N, between 13th St W and 14th St W., 2304 Myrtle Ave Jacksonville 32209
This was the site of voting place Number 8, which drew only single digits of residents to vote. One of the only in the Times Union today with single digit representatives, and where was it? 32209, downtown.
Voter apathy or Voter ignorance?
32209 is not downtown
Surprised they had single digits after what the mayor and council did to that area.
Downtown is comprised of more that 32202. All the hard core zealots, and you know who you are, consider Springfield part of downtown. So just because 32206 is up against 32209 and 32202, 32209 is NOT in the downtown area? Close enough for me.
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 24, 2011, 07:34:53 PM
Surprised they had single digits after what the mayor and council did to that area.
QuoteHowever, its like confusing Ortega with Firestone Avenue.
Wow, nice stretch, even for you....
QuoteDo you seriously need to be drawn a set of comparative maps?
You'l' be excited to know that no matter what I say, you will draw the maps anyway....can't wait!
*giggles
QuoteAt least as excited as finding that no matter what maps or facts are presented you will say what you say anyways!......never have to wait!
Of course, 1st amendment is awesome!
For what it's worth, these just came out today:
Q&A with Alvin Brown
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-03-28/story/qa-alvin-brown-experience-qualification-jacksonville-mayor
Q&A with Mike Hogan
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-03-28/story/qa-mike-hogan-time-streamline-city-government