The census released some figures regarding 2010 Florida populations.
The city of Jacksonville had a population of 821,784 per the 2010 census. The census gave Jacksonville an estimated population of 813,518 in 2009 and a counted population of 735,617 in 2000.
Since 2000, Orlando grew by 28.2 percent, Jacksonville grew by 11.7 percent, Tampa grew by 10.6 percent, Miami grew by 10.2 percent, and St. Petersburg decreased by 1.4 percent.
Clay and St Johns were two out of twelve of the fastest growing counties in Florida during the period of 2000 - 2010. Pinellas and Monroe were the only two counties that lost population.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn95.html
That is 1.38 mil metro population (Duval, Clay, Nassua, St. Johns, Bradford, Union and Baker)
1.56 mil if you add Flagler and Putnam. (which we should).
1.62 mil with Charlton and Camden. (probably should as well).
Why should we lump in all these other counties? Isn't Duval big enough on it's own?
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 17, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
That is 1.38 mil metro population (Duval, Clay, Nassua, St. Johns, Bradford, Union and Baker)
1.56 mil if you add Flagler and Putnam. (which we should).
1.62 mil with Charlton and Camden. (probably should as well).
I agree. Who comes up with these inconsistent metro population numbers anyway? St Marys is right up the damn highway, and it's not included in Jax's metro population?
QuoteSince 2000, Orlando grew by 28.2 percent, Jacksonville grew by 11.7 percent, Tampa grew by 10.6 percent, Miami grew by 10.2 percent, and St. Petersburg decreased by 1.4 percent.
Why?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
QuoteSince 2000, Orlando grew by 28.2 percent, Jacksonville grew by 11.7 percent, Tampa grew by 10.6 percent, Miami grew by 10.2 percent, and St. Petersburg decreased by 1.4 percent.
Why?
What do you mean why?
Quote from: I-10east on March 17, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 17, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
That is 1.38 mil metro population (Duval, Clay, Nassua, St. Johns, Bradford, Union and Baker)
1.56 mil if you add Flagler and Putnam. (which we should).
1.62 mil with Charlton and Camden. (probably should as well).
I agree. Who comes up with these inconsistent metro population numbers anyway? St Marys is right up the damn highway, and it's not included in Jax's metro population?
It is contingent upon employment and commuting patterns between the areas. I think there are 3 or 4 conditions that have to be met. If those counties aren't part of our metro area, it is likely because not enough of their residents work in Duval County or our other counties.
I can't remember what the threshold % is though
QuoteA county qualifies as an outlying county of a CBSA if it meets the following commuting requirements:
(a)
At least 25 percent of the workers living in the county work in the central county or counties of the CBSA; or
(b)
At least 25 percent of the employment in the county is accounted for by workers who reside in the central county or counties of the CBSA.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/fedreg_2010/06282010_metro_standards-Complete.pdf
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 17, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
That is 1.38 mil metro population (Duval, Clay, Nassua, St. Johns, Bradford, Union and Baker)
1.56 mil if you add Flagler and Putnam. (which we should).
1.62 mil with Charlton and Camden. (probably should as well).
Well hell Jeffery, if they'd let us count gators we could annex Ware County, then we'd have em by the gizmo!OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 17, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
That is 1.38 mil metro population (Duval, Clay, Nassua, St. Johns, Bradford, Union and Baker)
1.56 mil if you add Flagler and Putnam. (which we should).
1.62 mil with Charlton and Camden. (probably should as well).
Flagler is already lumped with the Daytona-Deltona MSA, which is then meshed with Orlando-Sanford-Kissimmee.
Putnam is just sort of out there on it's own.
I would guess Flagler interacts with Jax metro as much as Daytona. just a guess.
I'd be lying if I wasn't a little miffed at the fact Jax got kicked a spot back by Indianapolis!
2010 Florida Census Numbers Released
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The Census Bureau recently released Florida's 2010 Census results. Metro Jacksonville shares numbers that show how Jacksonville fared against its peers.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-mar-2010-florida-census-numbers-released
Agreed^
Indy is a pretty nice city, though.
Surprisingly.
Avoid Ft Wayne at all costs.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
QuoteSince 2000, Orlando grew by 28.2 percent, Jacksonville grew by 11.7 percent, Tampa grew by 10.6 percent, Miami grew by 10.2 percent, and St. Petersburg decreased by 1.4 percent.
Why?
Why St Pete decreased?? Probably the hurricane damage/lack of insurance issue. That'd be my educated stab in the dark. :-\ You'll notice Monroe county also declined in population, and I'd cite the same reason.
QuoteFlorida Attracts 2.8 Million Over Decade
MIAMI â€" Overcoming the effects of high unemployment and a crashed housing market, Florida attracted 2.8 million new residents in the last decade, according to census data released Thursday.
The state’s population growth of 17.6 percent represented the seventh straight decade of double-digit gains, far outpacing the national growth rate in the last decade of 9.7 percent, demographers said.
Florida’s minority populations also surged.
Full Article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/us/18florida.html?_r=1&ref=us
Quote from: Cliffs_Daughter on March 18, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
QuoteSince 2000, Orlando grew by 28.2 percent, Jacksonville grew by 11.7 percent, Tampa grew by 10.6 percent, Miami grew by 10.2 percent, and St. Petersburg decreased by 1.4 percent.
Why?
Why St Pete decreased?? Probably the hurricane damage/lack of insurance issue. That'd be my educated stab in the dark. :-\ You'll notice Monroe county also declined in population, and I'd cite the same reason.
Pinnellas County is completely built out and has much older population average compared to the rest of the state. You are partly correct though because of it's location, which is fairly level and close to sea level, it is a peninsula itself.
Monroe is in the same boat age wise, but probably more due to the fact it is so expensive to call the county home. It doesn't help that nearly all of mainland Monroe is Everglades and protected.
Interesting census tract map from the TU.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/News/2010-Florida-Census/2010-Duval-Census-Tracts-1/1220087834_fax8w-L.jpg)
it'd be nice to see more green in the middle and more red on the outside.
^^I'm surprised that the beaches seemed to decrease in population. When I moved here 4 years ago that's one of the areas everyone recommended to me along with Mandarin and St. Johns and Clay counties.
Looks like all of the core neighborhoods suffered.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on March 18, 2011, 02:01:54 PM
it'd be nice to see more green in the middle and more red on the outside.
I was actually thinking the same thing looking at that graphic. Hopefully in the next decade those colors can invert - green around the core/main arteries (read, TODs and commuter rail!) and other colors in the more outlying areas.
The urban core didn't do as bad as I thought it would, although I still suspect the overall number is a loss. Looking at the map, it appears DT, San Marco, St. Nicholas, Springfield (north of 8th St), Longbranch, Panama Park, Tallulah, Commonwealth and Avondale experienced growth. The major urban core losers appear to be Murray Hill, Lackawanna, Eastside, Brentwood, Durkeeville and Moncrief.
Looks to me like a lot of shades of red in the core. Also, Downtown went from like 1,000 to 2,000, so that's a huge percentage jump, but is really hardly a jump.
Jacksonville looks exactly like it has not caught on with the rest of the country in urban, upscale, dense, etc growth. It is suburbia heaven.
Quote from: simms3 on March 18, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Looks to me like a lot of shades of red in the core. Also, Downtown went from like 1,000 to 2,000, so that's a huge percentage jump, but is really hardly a jump.
Jacksonville looks exactly like it has not caught on with the rest of the country in urban, upscale, dense, etc growth. It is suburbia heaven.
Moving back to Jax from the NYC metro area, it really is. Decent homes under $100,000. In
Florida? Its just a great deal. Albeit we are in riverside , which i will define as an urban neighborhood.
Quote from: simms3 on March 18, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Looks to me like a lot of shades of red in the core. Also, Downtown went from like 1,000 to 2,000, so that's a huge percentage jump, but is really hardly a jump.
Jacksonville looks exactly like it has not caught on with the rest of the country in urban, upscale, dense, etc growth. It is suburbia heaven.
And sometimes hell.
Quote from: simms3 on March 18, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Looks to me like a lot of shades of red in the core. Also, Downtown went from like 1,000 to 2,000, so that's a huge percentage jump, but is really hardly a jump.
Jacksonville looks exactly like it has not caught on with the rest of the country in urban, upscale, dense, etc growth. It is suburbia heaven.
Is there a census tract population growth map for Atlanta? It would be interesting to compare its growth patterns with Jax's.
Quote from: reednavy on March 18, 2011, 12:01:21 AM
I'd be lying if I wasn't a little miffed at the fact Jax got kicked a spot back by Indianapolis!
One city has a vision, the other is utterly lost. Guess which is which...
Quote from: thelakelander on March 18, 2011, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: simms3 on March 18, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Looks to me like a lot of shades of red in the core. Also, Downtown went from like 1,000 to 2,000, so that's a huge percentage jump, but is really hardly a jump.
Jacksonville looks exactly like it has not caught on with the rest of the country in urban, upscale, dense, etc growth. It is suburbia heaven.
Is there a census tract population growth map for Atlanta? It would be interesting to compare its growth patterns with Jax's.
fact is most urban areas are likely to show growth in the core, losses in the older urban neighborhoods (like Arlington) and continued growth in the suburbs and exurbs...the issue for Jax is that we had less core growth than most other areqas in the 1990s and 2000s
In Jacksonville's case, I believe smaller families/continued gentrification led to slower growth in the intown neighborhoods. The "in-the-perimeter" neighborhoods that aren't "intown" that showed losses are a mystery to me. Downtown is not developing and that is a huge roadblock to intown infill development. Every city that is experiencing growth in the core started with their downtown/midtown area and it radiated from there.
In Atlanta's case, "white flight" is happening again, this time in reverse. Whites are moving from the suburbs to the city. Atlanta/Fulton County was the only major county in the metro that showed an increase in the percentage of whites. Clayton County lost 56% of its whites. Cobb, Gwinnett, and Decatur lost white populations and gained blacks and Hispanics. Cobb and Gwinnett did not grow nearly as fast as people predicted.
Intown Atlanta is an area of contention right now and it all has to do with race. Race is a huge issue up here. For the longest time, intown Atlanta has been a black stronghold, but now a more traditional, educated, upwardly mobile, affluent population is settling in to the intown neighborhoods (and this includes assimilated Asians and Hispanics and non-scene, non-hip hop oriented blacks) and so a lot of the inner city blacks are being displaced. Also, a lot of traditional black families are doing what families did 50 years ago and they are fleeing to the far northern suburbs of Alpharetta, Marietta, Roswell, and Duluth as well.
As far as the intown neighborhoods go, some of these individual neighborhoods of between a square mile and 5 square miles are the fastest growing areas in the metro.
Atlantic Station (went from steel mills to ~2500 units, 660,000 SF retail, ~1.5 million SF office)
Midtown (58.72% growth...LOTS of new condos)
West Midtown (42.40% growth...this neighborhood is HOTTT...check out White Provisions, a rehab which now contains high rise condos, Room & Board, boutiques, restaurants, and bars, below:)
http://www.whiteprovision.com/
Anthropologie the store just renovated a warehouse across the street and located there.
Buckhead CBD (40.6% growth...lots of new condo towers)
Inman Park (30.6% growth...this neighborhood is HOT)
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown (29.08% growth)
Homepark (28.36% growth)
Ormewood/Glenwood Park (28.34% growth...this neighborhood is HOT)
For one of the best infill/new urbanist developments in the country check out Jamestown/Green Street Property's Glenwood Park:
http://glenwoodpark.com/
Lindbergh (28.26% growth...lots of new apartments everywhere, the South's best example of a TOD but still pales in comparison to what's in DC metro)
Centennial Park/Techwood Drive area (27.9% growth...went from project towers everywhere including nation's first to middle income/student population)
The Roosevelt Towers, the 2nd to last remaining Section 8 tower in this hood recently demo'd, was ~22 floors
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Old Fourth Ward (27.48% growth...this neighborhood is HOT)
Marietta Blvd Corridor (27.22% growth...no this is not near Marietta, a suburb)
Lenox Rd corridor (27.12% growth)
Lakewood (26.2% growth...a diamond in the rough in the hood, an example of how a tax allocation district can really work)
Bedford Pine (25.20% growth...our Central Park area)
West End (24.6% growth...right near all of the HBC's)
Grant Park (24.22% growth)
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights (24.20% growth...upscale neighborhood with 1880-1930 homes mixed in with these modern beauties among others:)
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Downtown (23.94% growth...excluding student growth since GSU built dorms for almost 10,000 students downtown)
I have to stop here. Virtually every intown neighborhood grew faster than our metro area did as a whole.
For income growth in the intown neighborhoods, these are the fastest growing neighborhoods. I think income growth speaks louder than population growth.
Old Fourth Ward (43.8% growth last decade)
Edgewood Historic District (37.2% growth)
Centennial Park/Techwood Area (34.8% growth)
Berkeley Heights/Loring Park (33.2% growth)
Bedford Pine (our Central Park area...30.6% growth)
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown (29.0% growth)
Castleberry Hill (a warehouse/loft district south of downtown...28.6% growth)
Grant Park (27.0% growth)
Midtown (26.8% growth)
Inman Park (26.6% growth...this neighborhood is HOT)
Ormewood/Glenwood Park (26.0% growth)
Lindbergh (25.2% growth)
Buckhead CBD (25.2% growth)
English Avenue Corridor (24.8% growth)
Downtown (24.2% growth)
Virginia Highlands (22.6% growth...this neighborhood is HOT, and HOPPING/BUZZING with constant activity)
Kirkwood (22.4% growth)
Collier Hills (20.0% growth)
Median Household incomes (bold indicates being a "core" neighborhood within a few miles of downtown), note that these do not include every neighborhood in the perimeter of Atlanta, but most of them:
East Paces/Margaret Mitchell $147,813
Buckhead $143,924
Mount Paran/Powers Ferry $140,340
Brookhaven $135,975
North Buckhead $98,284
Druid Hills $94,462
Buckhead CBD $93,740
Virginia Highlands $90,291
Lindbergh $89,326
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights $85,527
Glenridge/Windsor Parkway Area $84,554
Inman Park $80,034
Lenox $77,403
Berkeley Heights/Loring Park $76,528
Midtown $76,123
Vinings $75,922
Collier Hills $73,305
Briarcliff Corner $71,628
North Atlanta $68,142
Chamblee $68,138
Akers Mill $67,826
Toco Hills $66,649
Defoors Ferry $65,074
Ormewood/Glenwood Park $61,852
Decatur $61,179
SoNo/Bedford Pine $59,822
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown $55,023
Marietta Blvd Corridor $53,335
Kirkwood $52,529
Doraville $52,196
Old Fourth Ward $51,414
Flat Shoals $48,377
Homepark $45,816
Candler/East Lake $43,553
Camp Creek $43,088
Avondale Est $42,953
Gresham Park $41,846
College Park $41,659
Cascade Heights $40,431
Downtown $38,951
Grant Park $38,602
East Point $37,454
Hapeville $34,912
West Atlanta/Bankhead $30,817
Lakewood $30,109
West Midtown $29,510
Atlantic Station $26,808
Percent of workforce using MARTA to commute:
English Avenue 43.0%
West End 33.6%
Edgewood Historic Dist 26.6%
West Atlanta/Bankhead 26.0%
Mozley Park 25.4%
East Lakewood 24.4%
Cascade Heights 22.6%
Lakewood 22.1%
Kirkwood 20.5%
Lindbergh 19.8%
Camp Creek 19.5%
Hapeville 18.8%
Grant Park 18.5%
Downtown 18.4%
Castleberry Hill 18.3%
East Point 18.3%
Centennial/Techwood 18.2%
Candler/East Lake 17.0%
Flat Shoals 16.6%
College Park 16.2%
Gresham Park 14.2%
Old Fourth Ward 14.0%
North Atlanta 13.6%
Avondale Est 13.5%
Doraville 12.0%
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown 10.2%
Ormewood/Glenwood Park 10.1%
SoNo/Bedford Pine 10.0%
Glenridge/Windsor Parkway Area 8.7%
Midtown 8.2%
Median Home Values (above $200,000):
East Paces/Margaret Mitchell $742,450
Buckhead $730,541
Mount Paran/Powers Ferry $662,970
Brookhaven $523,296
Buckhead CBD $474,150
Virginia Highlands $449,917
North Buckhead $449,625
Collier Hills $448,133
Druid Hills $439,127
Vinings $424,344
Lindbergh $423,846
Glenridge/Windsor Parkway Area $399,521
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights $394,437
Inman Park $373,443
Centennial/Techwood $344,246
Toco Hills $319,657
Homepark $305,314
Lenox $294,340
North Atlanta $291,420
Midtown $287,803
Berkeley Heights/Loring Park $285,849
Chamblee $275,847
Briarcliff Corner $274,492
Edgewood Historic Dist $271,708
Decatur $253,415
Marietta Blvd Corridor $249,809
West Midtown $249,607
Atlantic Station $247,329
Defoors Ferry $245,193
Ormewood/Glenwood Park $245,013
Kirkwood $226,944
Old Fourth Ward $224,716
Grant Park $216,072
Castleberry Hill $205,594
The average home values are generally higher since in the intown neighborhoods the stretch is definitely on the high end. The average home value in 32082, the main Ponte Vedra zip code, is under $500,000. This just goes to show how much more expensive and desirable intown Atlanta neighborhoods are right now compared to anything we have in Jax.
% of population with a bachelor's degree, master's degree, professional degree, or Ph. D:
Druid Hills 91.3%
East Paces/Margaret Mitchell 83.4%
Buckhead 79.8%
Brookhaven 78.1%
Virginia Highlands 77.6%
Mount Paran/Powers Ferry 76.3%
Collier Hills 75.1%
Inman Park 73.7%
Vinings 72.3%
Homepark 72.2%
Berkeley Heights/Loring Park 71.0%
Lenox 70.6%
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights 70.5%
Buckhead CBD 70.4%
Midtown 67.4%
Toco Hills 66.7%
Glenridge/Windsor Parkway Area 66.4%
West Midtown 65.2%
Atlantic Station 64.4%
Defoors Ferry 64.4%
Lindbergh 63.5%
North Buckhead 63.5%
Akers Mill 61.3%
Decatur 56.0%
Briarcliff Corner 55.7%
Chamblee 51.8%
SoNo/Bedford Pine 45.8%
North Atlanta 45.6%
Marietta Blvd Corridor 44.1%
Ormewood/Glenwood Park 41.8%
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown 40.0%
Old Fourth Ward 39.5%
Downtown 33.2%
Kirkwood 32.4%
Avondale Est 28.5%
Grant Park 26.8%
Centennial/Techwood 26.8%
In some of these neighborhoods, everyone 22 and older (everyone but the kids) has a degree. The Boston of the South, per se.
Densest neighborhoods:
Homepark 13,563
Midtown 13,544
SoNo/Bedford Pine 11,389
Edgewood Historic Dist 11,315
Mozley Park 10,959
Old Fourth Ward 10,551
Centennial/Techwood 8,758
Lindbergh 8,234
Atlantic Station 8,142
Buckhead CBD 7,868
Virginia Highlands 7,607
English Avenue 6,851
Inman Park 6,765
Downtown 6,736
Collier Hills 6,584
West End 6,294
North Atlanta 6,143
Lenox 6,016
Grant Park 5,693
Defoors Ferry 5,681
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown 5,473
Kirkwood 5,407
Ormewood/Glenwood Park 5,388
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights 5,282
Populations of these neighborhoods:
West Atlanta/Bankhead 77,231
East Point 54,787
Avondale Est 44,017
Decatur 41,414
Candler/East Lake 39,451
North Atlanta 36,551
Cascade Heights 33,194
College Park 30,071
Gresham Park 28,697
Toco Hills 26,969
Kirkwood 26,333
Doraville 25,001
Midtown 23,161
Virginia Highlands 21,376
Lindbergh 21,244
Lakewood 20,839
Hapeville 20,008
Glenridge/Windsor Parkway Area 19,846
Briarcliff Corner 19,292
Ansley Park/Morningside Heights 19,017
Mozley Park 16,987
Buckhead CBD 16,916
Buckhead 16,559
Marietta Blvd Corridor 16,536
Mount Paran/Powers Ferry 16,458
East Lakewood 15,955
Grant Park 15,656
Chamblee 14,892
Collier Hills 14,814
West End 13,406
Camp Creek 13,015
North Buckhead 11,904
Ormewood/Glenwood Park 11,315
Vinings 11,093
Flat Shoals 10,870
English Avenue 10,756
Defoors Ferry 10,227
Edgewood Historic Dist 9,505
Druid Hills 9,407
Lenox 9,023
Old Fourth Ward 8,441
SoNo/Bedford Pine 8,428
Brookhaven 8,319
Homepark 7,459
Inman Park 7,441
Downtown 7,409
East Paces/Margaret Mitchell 6,138
Cabbagetown/Reynoldstown 6,130
Berkeley Heights/Loring Park 5,413
Centennial/Techwood 3,678
Akers Mill 2,763
Atlantic Station 2,573
West Midtown 2,348
Castleberry Hill 1,943
Not quite a million in the perimeter yet (or in all of Fulton County, sadly...our overall growth has really slowed). There will probably be ~1.15 million in the perimeter by 2025, giving intown Atlanta an average density of 4,400 across the board.
Hope this answers questions about Atlanta. I would predict that Nashville and Charlotte are seeing very similar situations as Atlanta on a smaller scale.
Simms3, what the hell is a, 'non hip hop oriented black',? In my opinion people shouldn't be defined by a music genre. I think what you are trying to say is more affluent blacks are moving into this area.
I'm a non country and western oriented white.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
I'm a non country and western oriented white.
Oh dear!
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
I'm a non country and western oriented white.
LoL. ditto.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
I'm a non country and western oriented white.
You maybe, however, you are an individual. Is every white person in your neighborhood, 'a non country and western oriented white?' Of course not. Simms3 made a generalization about a group of people, this is called stereotyping.
One of my pet peeves is when seemingly intelligent people say foolish things and think it's OK. This is not an attack on Simms3 and I do perceive this person to be intelligent. However, 'non hip hop oriented blacks' is a terrible way to describe a group of people.
His first choice was "Urkels" so at least he did not go down that path.
Quote from: thelakelander on March 18, 2011, 05:25:53 PM
The urban core didn't do as bad as I thought it would, although I still suspect the overall number is a loss. Looking at the map, it appears DT, San Marco, St. Nicholas, Springfield (north of 8th St), Longbranch, Panama Park, Tallulah, Commonwealth and Avondale experienced growth. The major urban core losers appear to be Murray Hill, Lackawanna, Eastside, Brentwood, Durkeeville and Moncrief.
I would expect to see some drop around Historic Springfield as the houses are converting from apartments, boarding houses, and a multi families packed into one house to single family and singles. In our neighborhood we are not counting the number of people, but the number of houses left.
Loss of denisty is not necessarily a bad thing if its the wrong kind of density. Springfield is a good example.
Springfield is a wonderful, vibrant, friendly, pedestrian-friendly front porch kind of community. The narrow lots allow for easy walking. I can very easily walk to: a corner grocery store (2 blocks); a candy store (1/2 block); a little night club and a little cake shop (across the street); several churches (1/2 block to 2 blocks); The Springfield Woman's Club (3 blocks); Carribbean Stone restaurant (yum--1/2 block); Jaded (4 blocks); Waffa & Mikes, AA Auto, post office (6 blocks). There's more, but I think you get the picture.
The loss of density is distressing to me because I don't see it as loss of density, I see it as the loss of historic fabric, new neighbors and new friends.
Re Atlanta: if every intown neighborhood grew so fast how come the city only gained 4000 people or so? Who lost population in Atlanta?
For Springfield specifically there is a difference between density of the fabric and density of people.
An argument can be made that less people is not good, but I think a bigger argument can be made that boarding houses, half way houses etc, while adding more people are not always what an up and coming neighborhood is looking for. Of course that is going to depend on the house and management of same. In the past Springfield had an overabundance of boarding houses, group homes, halfway houses (illegal) and those illegal houses have been closed. So while the over all census count may be lower, the owner occupancy has risen, and apartments that were crammed with ten people now have one or two. It is more of a quality of life measurement than an overall person count.
Loss of our historic fabric is concerning, as is the missing businesses, but was not included in the census.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on March 25, 2011, 12:42:07 PM
Springfield is a wonderful, vibrant, friendly, pedestrian-friendly front porch kind of community. The narrow lots allow for easy walking. I can very easily walk to: a corner grocery store (2 blocks); a candy store (1/2 block); a little night club and a little cake shop (across the street); several churches (1/2 block to 2 blocks); The Springfield Woman's Club (3 blocks); Carribbean Stone restaurant (yum--1/2 block); Jaded (4 blocks); Waffa & Mikes, AA Auto, post office (6 blocks). There's more, but I think you get the picture.
I hope you weren't trying to keep your location secret, because that seems like enough information to find it. I wouldn't say Springfield is like that. Rather, parts of Springfield are. The rest, however, has phenomenal potential.
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 25, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
For Springfield specifically there is a difference between density of the fabric and density of people.
An argument can be made that less people is not good, but I think a bigger argument can be made that boarding houses, half way houses etc, while adding more people are not always what an up and coming neighborhood is looking for. Of course that is going to depend on the house and management of same. In the past Springfield had an overabundance of boarding houses, group homes, halfway houses (illegal) and those illegal houses have been closed. So while the over all census count may be lower, the owner occupancy has risen, and apartments that were crammed with ten people now have one or two. It is more of a quality of life measurement than an overall person count.
Yes exactly what I was referring to. It looks like most of the bad apples have been purged from the neighborhood and there is now opprotunity to build positive denisty. Workforce housing, artist lofts and other types of apartments. I was eating lunch at Uptown Market last week and the women at the table next to me were talking among themselves about if the apartments above were available for rent. There is demand for it there.