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Title: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 14, 2011, 08:47:13 PM
Audrey's killing it. 

Mullaney's acting like a typical hack.  Sad.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 14, 2011, 08:55:04 PM
Good "why do you want to by mayor" answers by Audrey and by Alvin Brown.

Mullaney = talking points & scare words.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 14, 2011, 09:00:15 PM
Go Audrey!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: kells904 on March 14, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
Looks like Mullaney got her to lose her cool once, and she got into a shouting match with him.  I wish she hadn't done that.  Other than that, though, she did indeed kill it.  
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 14, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
that is what matters
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Dashing Dan on March 14, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
This one was more entertaining, and more enlightening, than the others.  You gotta love Irvine and Lee. 

The question I wish had been asked: Do you support what Rick Scott is trying to do to us, and if not, how would you fight back?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Man I missed it.  What channel was it on?  I looked for it and didn't find it.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: JeffreyS on March 14, 2011, 09:26:13 PM
I missed it too.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 14, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
It was on Channel 4. Audrey did great, even though Mullaney tried his best to get her off her game. Why did Mullaney have to go there? I thought it was in poor taste. I was there and a lot of the audience seemed to be on Audrey's side.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: kells904 on March 14, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Background cheering's good.

Does anyone else besides me think that Hogan's brief and dismissive answer about making gays a protected class will haunt him?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: danno on March 14, 2011, 10:03:45 PM
Mullaney wan'ts a nuclear aircraft carrier at Cecil Field.......

Like to see him pull that one off!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
kells, probably not with his voter base.  With his tea party crowd, being anti-gay is, I'm sure, seen as a virtue.  However, it's not good business sense and runs companies AWAY from Jacksonville, as we know from anecdotal evidence compiled by the Jacksonville Committee for Equality.

Anyway, Hogan is the last person I'd vote for for a number of reasons.  The fact that he's anti-gay is certainly at the top of that list for me.

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: tufsu1 on March 14, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: kells904 on March 14, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
Looks like Mullaney got her to lose her cool once, and she got into a shouting match with him.  I wish she hadn't done that.  Other than that, though, she did indeed kill it. 

when attacked, one can take the high road, say nothing, and stay positive...but (like it or not) Audrey would be at a disadvantage if she did that....many still see women as weaker, soft, emotional, etc...standing up to Muillaney made her look strong and him like a bully.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 14, 2011, 10:20:49 PM
Was that her Mama Grizzly moment?  Or perhaps she was shattering that last, highest glass ceiling in Jacksonville government?

Either way, she put a whippin' on Rick Mullaney that he'll remember tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
So Hogan attended the debate?  What did he have to say?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 14, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
Good.. The real whippin will come when she becomes Mayor Audrey :)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Diane Melendez on March 14, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
Hogan did well Lake, but the entire discussion will be overshadowed in media and on most blogs by the dust up between Mullaney and Moran.  Mullaney basically called Audrey a liar after she got him on his special pension deal. Then he tried to draw her husband and family into the fray. That was uncalled for.  I expect that News4Jax will post the debate online.  The forum itself was well run and Tom was so good delivering the questions, many of them geared to stir passionate responses.  This is one that most camps will declare as a win for their candidate.  You really must watch it for yourself.   :)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Diane Melendez on March 14, 2011, 10:35:34 PM
Mullaney is complaining to TU about Audrey.  I swear he comes across as a petulant child.  Audrey is jus an old meanie and I am gonna tell....  I actually got a kick out of Audreys response to him.  Took him down a notch or two and boy did he deserve it. 
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 14, 2011, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on March 14, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
So Hogan attended the debate?  What did he have to say?
He was there, but he was phoning it in.  When he spoke, it was in brief answers that revealed very little about his plans or character.

The most profound thing he said during the debate was his jab at gays.  

And Hogan plans to skip the final debate.  
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 14, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
Only a Woman's touch can do that ;)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: kells904 on March 14, 2011, 10:51:20 PM
I had a "what-what-WHAT?!?!" moment when I heard that, too, danno.  Maybe he plans on forging a partnership with Cobra Commander's military engineers? Now those guys could probably build a flying aircraft carrier for droppin' onto Cecil Field.  Anyway, watching a campaign meltdown as it happens is fun.


BTW tufsu...
Your point is well taken.  And it sounded to me (via the Interweb) that Audrey's response was well-received.

Hogan and Mullaney simply must not be allowed to win.  Git 'em Audrey!!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: AdamBeaugh on March 15, 2011, 12:51:51 AM
Kells, I was amazed at Hogan's dismissive answer regarding the Human Rights Ordinance.  I understand that he caters to the far right, tea party, first baptist crowd, but he was so curt and rude that it was shocking to me.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 15, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on March 14, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
Hogan did well Lake, but the entire discussion will be overshadowed in media and on most blogs by the dust up between Mullaney and Moran.  Mullaney basically called Audrey a liar after she got him on his special pension deal. Then he tried to draw her husband and family into the fray. That was uncalled for.  I expect that News4Jax will post the debate online.  The forum itself was well run and Tom was so good delivering the questions, many of them geared to stir passionate responses.  This is one that most camps will declare as a win for their candidate.  You really must watch it for yourself.   :)

Hogan did well? Are you on his campaign team? He was awful.

The most substantive answer he gave the entire time was that he would not support gay rights. Other than that he said nothing specific. He would just say, "on my website we have a list of goals" or "that's something we'll have to take a look at", or "we need to cut our budget".

I wasn't the only one in the audience pulling my hair out after his responses.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 15, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
Hogan was very short on words. Which is scary, he gives no details. I don't understand how people do not have issues with that. That is his stratedgy, sit there quietly and let Mullaney and Moran duke it out. I actually thought Alvin Brown did a good job.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: dougskiles on March 15, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
My favorite part of the debate was Steve Irvine's calling out of Rick Scott in response to what would you do if you were mayor and the news came out about cancelling school sports programs.  He admitted to voting for Scott and talked about how he now questions that decision.  He called on people to rally behind our education system and send a message to Tallahassee.  Steve comes across as very genuine.

Mike Hogan's response to the question was to talk about his high school days as an athlete and how that prepared him well in life.  Unfortunately, that wasn't the question.  The question was very specific - what would you do as mayor about the problem.  Very telling answer.

Mike also proudly stated that he was the only businessman running for office.  Really?  Sure he worked for AT&T in his first career, but the last umpteen has been in politics.  He is the longest tenured politician in the group.  In fact, he is the only tenured politician in the group!

I really scratched my head when Rick Mullaney got emotional about how he will be the first mayor to ever get involved and solve the problems in our education system.  But then no specific information is provided as to how he will do this.  Seems a little strange coming from someone who has a 34-point plan for fixing Jacksonville - which by the way never mentions anything about public education.

I liked Alvin Brown's responses, and if Audrey were not in this race, he would be my first choice.  But Audrey is so far ahead of Alvin in experience and can lead the city from day one.  I believe Alvin would eventually do a good job but would need a few years of learning.  I would love to see him challenge Corrine Brown for her congressional seat - but I don't know if he lives in the district.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: longhaul on March 15, 2011, 02:09:40 PM
Does anyone know why Hogan is continuously labeled as the front runner by the TU?  Is this true, and if so on what basis? 

Go Audrey.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 15, 2011, 02:16:56 PM
longhaul, I think you ask a fair question.  I've been assuming it's based on poll numbers the TU has access to.  Or maybe it's based on the "conventional wisdom."

If there's no basis for it, I'd like them to stop saying it.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 15, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
I also thought they lobbed some softball questions to the candidates. I was with two other urban planners and we all submitted very specific questions about transit, homeless, and downtown development and none were asked.

I know "the budget" is the main talking point of the election, but its a shame that downtown development, economic development, transportation, and other specific issues are on the back burner in the election.

I think the word downtown may have only been mentioned once or twice last night.

The words budget, fiscal responsibility, and taxes were mentioned close to 100.

The job of mayor encompasses a lot more than administrative duties....
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: tufsu1 on March 15, 2011, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: longhaul on March 15, 2011, 02:09:40 PM
Does anyone know why Hogan is continuously labeled as the front runner by the TU?  Is this true, and if so on what basis? 

Go Audrey.

well most of the polls seem to be showing this...even internal ones from the candidates (I've seen several)....which is why it is very important to GET OUT AND VOTE....FOR AUDREY!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 15, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
If turnout stays low, it's bad news for Audrey.  This is the week when everyone should be piling up their friends, family, and coworkers into the car and hauling them to an early voting location to cast a ballot for Audrey. 
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: dougskiles on March 15, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
I don't like the early voting concept.  I like the ritual of going to the polls on election day.  Early voting greatly diminishes any sense of civic pride that I get from the experience.

So, I will be voting for Audrey, but not until March 22nd.

Mike Hogan is leading the overall polls, however, remember that Nat Glover was the largest vote getter during the first election 8 years ago.  When it got down to only 2 candidates, Peyton was able to pick up the easy win by getting most of the Carlucci and Weinstein voters.  That could be the case this time too, except it would be the liberal and moderate voters joining together to overtake the previous leading candidate.  The big question to me is how many Mullaney voters would go for Hogan vs. Moran (assuming Moran beats out Mullaney for #2).  The other question is whether or not the Brown and Lee voters would even bother going to the polls with their candidates out of the race.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 15, 2011, 04:08:43 PM
I feel the same way, I will be voting the day of, for Audrey of course!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 15, 2011, 04:13:58 PM
I'm used to working in the polls on election day.  During state and national elections I volunteer as an election protection attorney and spend those long days keeping an eye out for voting irregularities.

Guess that's trained me to get my voting out of the way as soon as possible.  (Which, I've never liked voting absentee.  I do enjoy sliding the ballot into the machine.)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: hillary supporter on March 15, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 15, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
Hogan was very short on words. Which is scary, he gives no details. I don't understand how people do not have issues with that. That is his strategy, sit there quietly and let Mullaney and Moran duke it out. I actually thought Alvin Brown did a good job.
I  too thought Alvin did well, but Hogans strategy was like fsu said. The less the better, and somewhat beneficial as Moran and Mullaney tussled. But at least he felt the pressure that he had to be present to show face. Perhaps the higher visibility of Tom Wills and channel 4(?). I cant believe many, if any, viewers of public TV could be persuaded to support Hogan.
I do believe he's the front runner as T-U stated.
Yes, if turnout is low, Hogan will landslide, and Moran will hurt.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: mfc on March 15, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Run off. Hogan Moran. Mullaney losing ground. He burned the bridge with the chamber of commerce by announcing the Moran endorsement before they did, in spite of agreeing to let the chamber announce the endorsement on their planned schedule. Then he ran hard to the right to get the tea party and fell short there. Then
Lost the times union endorsement to Moran. Now I just saw the first negative ad. By who, Rick mullaney. "check it out". 
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: I-10east on March 15, 2011, 07:36:55 PM
Steve Irvine looks like someone on the video game 'Red Dead Redemption'. He's got that "Lone Wolf, West of the Pecos" look going. LOL
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on March 15, 2011, 09:50:18 PM
I think people are seriously misinterpreting what Mullaney said.

In response to an accusation Moran made, Mullaney said:
"I've known Audrey Moran for over 20 years. In the last debate, I stated that I'm godfather to her son. I was her husband's campaign manager. But what we just witnessed was somebody who was willing to say anything to win....something that's completely and totally false. She knows it's false. Her campaign knows it's false, and it's really unfortunate. That's the politics of the past. I hope in the rest of this discuss we can discuss some issues, but that was a sad moment. Anything to win. That's not right."

Moran spun it to sound like he was attacking her family, but what I'm hearing is him establishing that he has a long, friendly relationship with her and her family, and he is disappointed to hear her spread those claims. I think what you're hearing is that Moran is a better speaker and politician than Mullaney, but as far as substance of the platforms goes I prefer Mullaney. He really said very little about her family, and nothing derogatory about them in the least. He was questioning HER character AFTER she questioned his character.

Also, did it seem like they threw some soft pitches to Alvin Brown (e.g.; Tell us about your experience in such and such a program) and then threw some real zingers at the other candidates?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: konstantconsumer on March 15, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
It's less about what he said and more about the way he does it.  Mullaney has, time and time again, talked about being her son's godfather, or being long time friends with her, and then mischaracterize what Moran is saying.  It's basically a way for him to sound nice and then turn her words around.  After hearing him say that at forum and forum and event after event, I think Moran finally had enough.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 15, 2011, 10:23:55 PM
Go Audrey!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 16, 2011, 08:58:07 AM
Audrey was interviewed on WOKV's morning news program this morning.  I love just listening to her talk - she's on her game and just hit another grand slam out of the park in the interview.

I hope to sweet baby jesus on high that she pulls this off.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: BridgeTroll on March 16, 2011, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 15, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
If turnout stays low, it's bad news for Audrey.  This is the week when everyone should be piling up their friends, family, and coworkers into the car and hauling them to an early voting location to cast a ballot for Audrey. 

I voted early yesterday at the Supervisor of Elections office... It was a ghost town in there.  Is there any way of getting the numbers of ballots cast so far?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 16, 2011, 10:55:29 AM
New outlets are reporting that early and absentee voting turnout is at about 5%. 

Whatever that actually equates to in numbers... ?

Either way, it's dismal.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: JeffreyS on March 16, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
This could turn out to be Tea Party vs. Metrojacksonville.com.  We have to show up.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: copperfiend on March 16, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Mayor Mike Hogan?

{cringes}
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 16, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on March 16, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Mayor Mike Hogan?

{cringes}
Can anyone whistle the theme to the Andy Griffith Show?  That'll be us.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: copperfiend on March 16, 2011, 11:40:27 AM
I reckon I could if y'ant me to.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 16, 2011, 12:06:05 PM
I'll help ya'owt.....

http://www.youtube.com/v/8BmurO7ZW_Q?fs=1&amp

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fieldafm on March 16, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
QuoteI voted early yesterday at the Supervisor of Elections office... It was a ghost town in there.  Is there any way of getting the numbers of ballots cast so far?

It's been VERY low. 
All the more reason it is critical to get everyone you know to vote Audrey.  Low turnout is a great thing to Mike Hogan, and that's a bad thing for Jacksonville.

I literally had a dream last night that Audrey didn't make the runoff, and I woke up feeling like I lost a family member.

Audrey HAS to be our next mayor.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 16, 2011, 12:17:26 PM
i know my grandparents have already voted for Audrey at my pushing! Hogan will be a four year nightmare!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 16, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
I'll be at Audrey HQ on Saturday afternoon making phone calls to voters.

Doing everything I can.  Maybe you guys should check with the campaign and see if you can help.  If people can take Tuesday off, I'm sure they'll have a "drive voters to the polls" program in place.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: BridgeTroll on March 16, 2011, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on March 16, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
QuoteI voted early yesterday at the Supervisor of Elections office... It was a ghost town in there.  Is there any way of getting the numbers of ballots cast so far?

It's been VERY low. 
All the more reason it is critical to get everyone you know to vote Audrey.  Low turnout is a great thing to Mike Hogan, and that's a bad thing for Jacksonville.

I literally had a dream last night that Audrey didn't make the runoff, and I woke up feeling like I lost a family member.

Audrey HAS to be our next mayor.

Low voter turnout is what got us Rick Scott.  Mike Hogan will be the resuly of voter apathy again...
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: danno on March 16, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 16, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on March 16, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Mayor Mike Hogan?

{cringes}
Can anyone whistle the theme to the Andy Griffith Show?  That'll be us.

Thats a slap in the face to Mayberry!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: wsansewjs on March 16, 2011, 01:49:43 PM
If someone can give me money to air the commercial, I would be happy to spend my hours to create the inspiring commercial video professionally.

Any takers? I am dead serious. How much does it cost to air primetime (5-6pm) at local news on First Coast News 12/25, Channel 4, PBS-7, and Action News 30/47?

-Josh
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: tufsu1 on March 16, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
a friend of mine received an attack ad flyer in the mail today....had a road sign that said "Welcome to Taxonville"....goes on to say this is what we'll get with Audrey as Mayor.

I echo the comments above....everyone on MetroJax that supports Audrey needs to do the following:

1. get out and voteVote
2. Talk her up to others
3. Volunteer to make some calls/canvass this weekend
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 16, 2011, 05:35:46 PM
I got the same silly flyer along with one from Mullaney and just saw Mullaney's attack ad against Moran on the TV. Geez! Mullaney is really sad!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 16, 2011, 05:54:15 PM
Political Mudslinging 101
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: hillary supporter on March 16, 2011, 06:03:41 PM
Mullaney's pulling in frustration. He ended up looking bad at the last debate.His campaign was uphill with his credentials in the Peyton administration. But he doomed himself by stating that he would continue to draw his pension while serving as mayor. Is he right to do that? Yes. Is it fair to the citizens of Jacksonville? No.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: mtraininjax on March 16, 2011, 11:05:53 PM
WOKV reported today that Hogan is almost a shoe-in, so says Supervisor of Elections, battle is for 2nd, between Moran and Mullaney.

Fireman and Policemen will be out in force for Hogan.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: buckethead on March 17, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
So Hogan supports socialist pensions without employee contributions for those who would support his campaign?

What about fiscal conservatism?

Here's what I want to know: What's he gonna do about all the blasphemy of Evolutionism being taught in our public schools?!!!

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: wsansewjs on March 17, 2011, 09:46:24 AM
I have a feeling there will be a run-off between Moran and Hogan.

-Josh
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Ajax on March 17, 2011, 09:54:00 AM
This isn't exactly news, since I believe Hogan announced a while ago that he wouldn't attend the final televised debate tonight: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-03-17/story/mike-hogan-attend-tea-party-event-not-tv-debate (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-03-17/story/mike-hogan-attend-tea-party-event-not-tv-debate)

However, I did notice that the article lists the call-in number for the Tea Party's Q&A session with Hogan tonight.  The number is 888-886-6603, ext. 16318, and the event is supposed to last from 7 pm until about 7:45.  

If any of you have any questions I encourage you to try to call in - I'm going to try.  In watching the debates, it seems that Hogan has done a masterful job of avoiding answering any questions.  The responses that he did give were not very enlightening.  It’s almost as if he has been able to fly under the radar because of the bickering between Mullaney and Moran.  
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: buckethead on March 17, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Why would Hogan attend debates? What does he stand to gain from it.

Jacksonville Mayoral elections have too long been about what the candidate can gain.

SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS HOGAN!

Stop being yella.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: jcjohnpaint on March 17, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on March 17, 2011, 09:46:24 AM
I have a feeling there will be a run-off between Moran and Hogan.

-Josh

Yeah and Moran will be on stage debating herself ;D
Personally the Q&A is a service to the tax payers of Jacksonville.  By not sowing up Hogan is saying $%# you to the city's voters in my opinion.  This is a pathetic strategy if it is even a strategy or just cowardice.

Every time I talk to anyone they absolutely despise Hogan for all of his no shows and lack of participation.....where is all the (silent) support coming from?  Is Hogan really leading in the Polls?   
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: hillary supporter on March 17, 2011, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on March 17, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on March 17, 2011, 09:46:24 AM
I have a feeling there will be a run-off between Moran and Hogan.

-Josh

Yeah and Moran will be on stage debating herself ;D
Personally the Q&A is a service to the tax payers of Jacksonville.  By not sowing up Hogan is saying $%# you to the city's voters in my opinion.  This is a pathetic strategy if it is even a strategy or just cowardice.

Every time I talk to anyone they absolutely despise Hogan for all of his no shows and lack of participation.....where is all the (silent) support coming from?  Is Hogan really leading in the Polls?   
His support is not from public forums, particularly public television. Those forums are too progressive, ( liberal) for his support. His appearance at the recent debate was successfull in answering the complaints that he respond in a debate. On a public forum. And he did well to his supporters. Which were microscopic on public television.
A large number of politicans are feverishly against debating their opponents. Getting caught up in the stress leads them to make statements that hurt their campaigns. They find more it beneficial to speak at certain organizations that express the candidates aims. For Hogan it was conservative groups, tea party, religious organizations, Brown was the urban league, Moran, Mullaney local business groups.
This seems to be Hogans dominace in the local polls as he is the most conservative of all the candidates (by far).
It will be interesting to see what happens in the general election, If there are any debates.
I feel its important for everyone to umm, consider the factor that Hogan did well in the debate. Im not supporting him at all, im just trying myself to understand how (and why) he is the frontrunner in the campaign. Hes very good at this, as he is very experienced in local politics.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 17, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
Please donate to Audrey's campaign if you can. I sent in a donation this morning. She needs all the help we can give her! either your time or financially.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: JeffreyS on March 17, 2011, 11:18:32 AM
Someone quoted a poll on the Andy Johnson show yesterday that had Alvin Brown in second.  I like Alvin but I am skeptical he could win a runoff.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 17, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
Audrey's campaign needs $1,100 more to reach their fundraiser goal. Please dontate if you can.

http://www.imwithaudrey.com/get-involved/contribute

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Steve on March 17, 2011, 01:01:06 PM
Well, I donated in the best way possible today - I voted for her!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 17, 2011, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 17, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
Audrey's campaign needs $1,100 more to reach their fundraiser goal. Please dontate if you can.

http://www.imwithaudrey.com/get-involved/contribute

Just gave another $100 to Audrey.  I'll start over again on March 23. :)

Voting for Audrey is worth more than the money, btw.  If that's what you can do, please do it!!!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Steve on March 17, 2011, 02:22:31 PM
^I did donate, too:).  But votes count more than donations.

Unless you're Rick Scott!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 17, 2011, 02:36:33 PM
Ouch !   True :)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 17, 2011, 06:39:59 PM
One hour and twenty minutes until the final televised debate.

20 minutes until the Hogan/Tea Party echo-chamber phone-a-thon.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 17, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
This guy from the TU is a POS. Guy clearly has it out for Moran and is rudely interrupting her while she is trying to answer his questions.

He then sits there quietly while Mullaney answers.


Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: thelakelander on March 17, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
He hit Mullaney pretty hard early on.  Nevertheless, he has been pretty nasty.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 17, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
Missed the beginning Lake. Didn't see that.

What is the TU guys story? Hogan supporter or just general douchebag?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: dougskiles on March 17, 2011, 09:04:58 PM
^Seriously.  That guy seems really bitter.  I don't envy any of them having to put up with that kind of disrespect.

They are talking about obesity right now.  Most are saying that education is the solution.  I'm not sure that is the only answer.  None of them are talking about creating communities that promote a more active lifestyle - like walkable and bicycle friendly neighborhoods.  Swing and a miss in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 17, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
TU Guy said Mullaney will be hearing from the TU lawyers for using one of "their" pictures in his ads/posters.  Wow.  He's a dick all night then asks the civility question.  LoL.

Still a good debate, more or less.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 17, 2011, 09:18:38 PM
Good point Doug on walkability. Something like that may not play well with the undecided Joe Six Packs out there, so maybe that could have something to do with it. I think Moran knows she has locked up the urban core and is aiming at the rest of the city.

Alvin Brown is once again impressing.

Mullaney continues to bring up the med school. It is like the kid running for class president who promises coke fountains in school.

We won't see 1 dollar for a med school from the state in Jacksonville in the next 4 years. We likely won't in the next 8 years either. UNF is not a research university. The state just spent hundreds of millions for UCF and FIU to get med schools and there is will be no demand for new doctors in the state with those new schools. It won't happen. I really wish someone would call him out on it.

The only chance would be a for profit school or maybe some affiliation with a private school (long shot). Based on Florida's Coastal's issues with job placement, I think the last thing we need is another for profit school.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: thelakelander on March 17, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Wow, Brown and Lee going at it.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 17, 2011, 09:20:40 PM
First time I've seen Lee step out of character and lose his cool.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Kay on March 17, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
The POS T-U reporter is the guy covering the Hogan campaign.  I thought he was unnecessarily antagonistic.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Doctor_K on March 17, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Well that explains a thing or two then, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: tufsu1 on March 17, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on March 17, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Wow, Brown and Lee going at it.

yeah...I was driving back into town and couldn't get 89.9 to come in until almost 9pm...but this sounded pretty rough on the radio
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Diane Melendez on March 17, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
The antagonistic reporter was also brutal to Hogan during the first online/video report he did with him for the TU. He is no friend to any of them.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: danem on March 17, 2011, 11:59:51 PM
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-03-17/story/mike-hogan-attend-tea-party-event-not-tv-debate

Here's what the same reporter wrote about Hogan not attending the debate.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Kay on March 18, 2011, 06:51:05 AM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on March 17, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
The antagonistic reporter was also brutal to Hogan during the first online/video report he did with him for the TU. He is no friend to any of them.

Actually, I watched that video and disagree.  The reporter asked about his abortion bombing statement but did so pretty darn gently.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Garden guy on March 18, 2011, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: Kay on March 18, 2011, 06:51:05 AM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on March 17, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
The antagonistic reporter was also brutal to Hogan during the first online/video report he did with him for the TU. He is no friend to any of them.

Actually, I watched that video and disagree.  The reporter asked about his abortion bombing statement but did so pretty darn gently.
Very gently...many of us would'nt have let him get away so easy....if that's too much for him...then he should go home and go back to bed.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 18, 2011, 08:00:01 AM
Quote from: Kay on March 18, 2011, 06:51:05 AM
Quote from: Diane Melendez on March 17, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
The antagonistic reporter was also brutal to Hogan during the first online/video report he did with him for the TU. He is no friend to any of them.

Actually, I watched that video and disagree.  The reporter asked about his abortion bombing statement but did so pretty darn gently.

Diane Melendez actually thought Hogan did good in the last debate, so I'm not sure she is the most objective poster.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: buckethead on March 18, 2011, 08:06:14 AM
DM is very respected. You should really have gotten to know her on jaxoutloud.com.

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CityLife on March 18, 2011, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: buckethead on March 18, 2011, 08:06:14 AM
DM is very respected. You should really have gotten to know her on jaxoutloud.com.



I'm not saying she is a bad person or anything. Just that she appears to be a Hogan supporter and may not be objective when discussing him.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 18, 2011, 08:50:15 AM
Both buckethead and CityLife are correct.  Diane has her favorite in Hogan.  I have mine in Moran.  When you have a favorite, you tend to analyze with a bias.  I know I'm guilty of it.

So...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j2scfJYpyY
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: wsansewjs on March 18, 2011, 09:13:29 AM
Here is the biggest issue among supporters of their own candidates. The "Bias Bubble" which MetroJacksonville and Times Union are stuck in Moran's Bubbles while the tea party websites/blogs, and I dare to say First Coast News are in the Hogan's Bubble. That goes for every other candidates.

What will happen is that the loyal supporters are going to get too comfortable in the bubble that they would get a false hope that their candidate is leading or making headway. I love Audrey Moran, but I try to stick my head out of the bubble to see what is really going on out there in the street where the undecided and lazy, but potential voters are going to do.

Only time will tell!

-Josh
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: jcjohnpaint on March 18, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
Well you know I agree with you, but when a candidate says nothing....I give them no respect.  I do respect the other candidates because at least they come forward with some kind of a solution to the city's problems.  I almost feel that Hogan is telling us that this city has no problems and all he must do is sustain the city.  That is weak and pathetic.  We hire our politicians to better the situation. 
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Diane Melendez on March 18, 2011, 11:28:27 AM
Thanks Buckethead.  I appreciate your kind words.  Now everyone, if you haven't done it yet, go vote!  :)

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: vicki0515 on March 19, 2011, 08:16:57 AM
Rick Mullaney is the obvious choice for Mayor. He has the plan and vision for our city, won't raise taxes and is beholden to no unions! When you hear him speak you realize he is the person we want representing Jacksonville. He is a man of integrity!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Jimmy on March 19, 2011, 08:28:02 AM
Vicki, it was nice of you to register here to tell us that.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: JeffreyS on March 19, 2011, 09:08:26 AM
Quote from: vicki0515 on March 19, 2011, 08:16:57 AM
Rick Mullaney is the obvious choice for Mayor. He has the plan and vision for our city, won't raise taxes and is beholden to no unions! When you hear him speak you realize he is the person we want representing Jacksonville. He is a man of integrity!

Blindly being anti union sure doesn't speak well of his belief in the American way. People can and should market their product (their labor) as best they can in capitalism. As long as they do not represent a monopoly on that labor which they don't as only around 10% of the people of this country are in a union. 

There are more fascist countries if that is his interest.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Dog Walker on March 19, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Rick Mullaney is a man whose integrity and ethics completely dissolve in the presence of money or power.  We have better choices.

If you like what has gone on in the City of Jacksonville for the last sixteen years then vote for Rick Mullaney.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 19, 2011, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: vicki0515 on March 19, 2011, 08:16:57 AM
Rick Mullaney is the obvious choice for Mayor. He has the plan and vision for our city, won't raise taxes and is beholden to no unions! When you hear him speak you realize he is the person we want representing Jacksonville. He is a man of integrity!

-1     Sorry,,, Not on your life  :)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: CS Foltz on March 19, 2011, 06:04:54 PM
Timkin..........I am with you on this one!! Not my vote by any means.
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: fsujax on March 19, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Went out campaigning for Audrey today. Door to door. It was alot of fun. Vote Audrey!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: buckethead on March 19, 2011, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 19, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Rick Mullaney is a man whose integrity and ethics completely dissolve in the presence of money or power.  We have better choices.

If you like what has gone on in the City of Jacksonville for the last sixteen years then vote for Rick Mullaney.
Oh Snap!

Our newer members should get to know Dog Walker by reviewing some of the posts on the profile link (screen name.)

Not some pinko commie hack job liberal kook. Sensible, informed, independent, and responsible with each word typed.

I consider myself a conservative and always listen when some here speak (type). I can assure you, Dog Walker's opinions are worthy of weighty consideration.

If you are trolling for Mullaney, you are either connected or less informed than you should be.

Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 19, 2011, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: buckethead on March 19, 2011, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 19, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Rick Mullaney is a man whose integrity and ethics completely dissolve in the presence of money or power.  We have better choices.

If you like what has gone on in the City of Jacksonville for the last sixteen years then vote for Rick Mullaney.
Oh Snap!

Our newer members should get to know Dog Walker by reviewing some of the posts on the profile link (screen name.)

Not some pinko commie hack job liberal kook. Sensible, informed, independent, and responsible with each word typed.

I consider myself a conservative and always listen when some here speak (type). I can assure you, Dog Walker's opinions are worthy of weighty consideration.

If you are trolling for Mullaney, you are either connected or less informed than you should be.



Knowing DW myself personally, pretty well, I agree. 

+1
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: buckethead on March 19, 2011, 10:50:16 PM
I just realized that I posted compliments about two posters in this thread.

I guess I need to admit that many of my presumptions are challenged here, and there are posters and contributors who are helping me broaden my horizons.

DM and DW are just a couple of them.

To name them all is to admit too much! ;)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 19, 2011, 11:13:18 PM
Both are great people :)
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Dog Walker on March 20, 2011, 11:14:44 AM
You guys are making me blush!  I thought I was always ranting and raving here.  DOGRANT!
Title: Re: Mayoral Debate
Post by: Timkin on March 20, 2011, 12:28:18 PM
I think that covers pretty much the majority here :)