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Title: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on March 07, 2011, 03:52:24 AM
Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens

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Metro Jacksonville shares sights and scenes from the opening of the new Riverside Arts Market docking facility.

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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-mar-improving-river-access-ram-docking-facility-opens
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on March 07, 2011, 04:13:45 AM
It was a fantastic opportunity to share this piece of Jacksonville's Maritime history with JaxNative68 and Field. Great pictures MJ team.

The $395,000 floating dock was done with TIF funding from the Northbank.

Now as everyone is saying can you imagine how little it would cost and the benefit for a council district for a pocket pier or floating dock at a Waterfront Public Access street end.

Mayor Peyton and other elected officials said that there is no more money. That is where FIND comes in. I can't wait to share this with the Commissioners of the Florida Inland Navigation District.

So Who's next. Who wants to paddle from Hogans Creek to the floating dock at RAM?

Elected officials and those running in the Spring elections go to the front of the line.

Its official.

Our St. Johns River our American Heritage River is Open for Business.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Hurricane on March 07, 2011, 07:05:23 AM
I love the new boat dock!  Great idea!  Public boat parking downtown is greatly needed. 

RAM was awesome this weekend!  Congrats to all involved.  I hope we can keep that kind of energy up all year long!

Go JAX!
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: letters and numbers on March 07, 2011, 09:08:56 AM
Hey you know this really shows how fast the city can do something when the right people are pushing it!
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: JaxNative68 on March 07, 2011, 09:25:33 AM
Noone-  Thanks for the guided tour of Hogans Creek.  As long as it works out with the family schedule, I'm alway in for a paddle.  Would love to embark on a journey under the Hyatt, Times-Union or to the RAM dock one day.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: JeffreyS on March 07, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
Can't wait to use it.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 09:44:47 AM
Questions: Is this only open during RAM hours? And also, are they planning any type of ferry for public use to get people to/from Riverside to San Marco??

I like the Riverwalk, but one area it fails is connecting the Northbank to the Southbank. You have to get off of it, go up the street & cross over the Main Street Bridge, which sucks & isn't really apparent & part of the design. A ferry would certainly alleviate that.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 09:49:17 AM
Right now, there is no weekday access for the dock.

The River Taxi already operates downtown to go back and forth from a variety of destiantions along the riverwalk, including this new dock during RAM.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Lucasjj on March 07, 2011, 10:08:39 AM
I was at the little ceremony they had and everyone that spoke made mention of the River being our greatest asset. Hopefully there will be some weight to those words going forward. It is a great focus point for downtown and hopefully can radiate out.

On a sidenote, I didn't know Metrojacksonville was there. I think in the future whenever you have someone out covering an event you should go old school and wear a fedora with the press ticket on the hat the states your organization.

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Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 09:49:17 AM
Right now, there is no weekday access for the dock.

The River Taxi already operates downtown to go back and forth from a variety of destiantions along the riverwalk, including this new dock during RAM.

Do you know if they allow bikes on the taxi?? I can't find the answer anywhere.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Bike Jax on March 07, 2011, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 10:26:23 AM

Do you know if they allow bikes on the taxi?? I can't find the answer anywhere.

Yes, peestandingup. They do. Will have more info in a post hopefully this afternoon on Bike Jax.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: hightowerlover on March 07, 2011, 11:18:55 AM
so when are they going to install the meters on the dock that only take $4 worth of quarters?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: Bike Jax on March 07, 2011, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 10:26:23 AM

Do you know if they allow bikes on the taxi?? I can't find the answer anywhere.

Yes, peestandingup. They do. Will have more info in a post hopefully this afternoon on Bike Jax.

Cool, thanks. Although those prices. OUCH! Charging $3 and $5 for a one way trip to just cross the rover is pretty pricey.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Overstreet on March 07, 2011, 01:08:02 PM
If you had the bike why would you need to ride the taxi?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: urbaknight on March 07, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
I hope this dock means that RAM is here to stay. I love it, it's good for the city. Score one more point for JAX as a small success story. 8)
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on March 07, 2011, 01:08:02 PM
If you had the bike why would you need to ride the taxi?

No reason really (unless I just didnt feel like going over the bridge). Was really just curious.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
QuoteCool, thanks. Although those prices. OUCH! Charging $3 and $5 for a one way trip to just cross the rover is pretty pricey.

I use the Water Taxi for Jags games(far cheaper than paying for parking at the stadium, plus pre-partying at the Landing and post-victory celebrations at Dos Gatos is more fun-and not as hot- than tailgating).  A lot of hotel guests use the water taxi as well. 

A cool idea would be to have a MOSH promotion for RAM attendees using the Water Taxi once the service is up and running on the dock.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 03:27:09 PM
Seems like the water taxi is privately owned: http://www.jaxwatertaxi.com/about.html Good on them I guess, but some competition would be nice.

I wonder why JTA doesn't do this? It's a transportation issue. I mean, I know the bridge entrance is up the street, but its not exactly convenient to pedestrians who are on the Riverwalk or hanging around the Landing.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on March 07, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
The boat pictured at the dock,"Whales Tale" is a well preserved and loved 1970's vintage 43 Hatteras Flush Deck Motor Yacht that berths just around the corner from the RAM dock,on the Ortega River at Jacksonville Marina Mile's Lamb's Yacht Center.

Also pictured are two kayaks on the dock- Noone & lucky company no doubt??

Ouch!- Advil moment getting up and out of a sit inside 'yak-or even on topper- and ending up on the dock.
Is there a trick to this Noone??
The key to future hand launch craft enjoyment,use and promotion of such facility may well depend on kayak friendly embark/disembark docking structures.

Understood dock use to be limited due to the presence of the facility within a core Manatee high use,concentrated funnel-the question is could non motorized small craft be reasonably accommodated outside of present restriction ?????
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: urbaknight on March 07, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on March 07, 2011, 03:27:09 PM
Seems like the water taxi is privately owned: http://www.jaxwatertaxi.com/about.html Good on them I guess, but some competition would be nice.

I wonder why JTA doesn't do this? It's a transportation issue. I mean, I know the bridge entrance is up the street, but its not exactly convenient to pedestrians who are on the Riverwalk or hanging around the Landing.

t is privately owned, My grandfatherworked for them for about 15 years. Had the most experience of all the other captains. He was a tugboat captain for over 30 tears. My uncle works the football games sometimes as a deckhand. Had some good times on the water taxi.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 04:23:50 PM
QuoteGood on them I guess, but some competition would be nice.


There used to be two or three services downtown, the city has a bid and only one water taxi is allowed now.  There were some issues with having too many carriers at one point. 

The current SS Water Taxi service is good... they operate efficiently and pretty cheaply for what it is. 

You should check out one of the upcoming St Johns Riverkeeper boat rides coming up.  SS hosts those and they are fantastic!

QuoteWhales Tale" is a well preserved and loved 1970's vintage 43 Hatteras Flush Deck Motor Yacht that berths just around the corner from the RAM dock,on the Ortega River at Jacksonville Marina Mile's Lamb's Yacht Center.


That is indeed a pristine vessel.  The folks were real nice too!

QuoteAlso pictured are two kayaks on the dock- Noone & lucky company no doubt??


No, we paddled Hogans in the morning with JaxNative.  I tried getting Noone to make the trip to RAM but we were short on time.

QuoteOuch!- Advil moment getting up and out of a sit inside 'yak-or even on topper- and ending up on the dock.
Is there a trick to this Noone??
The key to future hand launch craft enjoyment,use and promotion of such facility may well depend on kayak friendly embark/disembark docking structures

I've launched several times at the dock @ Stinson Park and it's not so bad.  If you want to paddle up to the RAM dock on say the 26th, let me know... I'm sure the burgeoning urban kayaking group will be happy to make a morning of it.

Quotethe question is could non motorized small craft be reasonably accommodated outside of present restriction

At present, the gate will remain locked during the week.  I totally agree that hand launched vessels should be given access during any daylight hours... but its going to be an uphill climb.  We need a few good people such as yourself to show up at Waterways to let their feelings be known... b/c it is my understanding that the State of Florida DEP, Parks Dept and LPS all need to modify the permitting if that would be the case.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on March 07, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
The Gate will remain locked during the week. This decision came completely out of left field. Just reinforces why moving forward everyone should be concerned about Bay St. Pier Park and the access issue. Nobody is stepping up to the plate.

Personally until a kayak launch is attached to the pier I might try and get out on the rocks. We may know the answer on the 26Th.

Field can you post the other pictures from our Hogans Creek trip under the Exposing Hogans Creek thread. I do plan on going to Waterways on Wend.

Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: tayana42 on March 07, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
I believe the locked gate at the top of the gangway is there due to the permit restrictions on the dock.  My interpretation is that you can climb over the gate and no one is going to be upset.  So, on Sundays, when the RAM site is pretty much vacant and you can drive right in with your kayak, give it a try.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 08, 2011, 10:15:00 AM
QuoteField can you post the other pictures from our Hogans Creek trip under the Exposing Hogans Creek thread. I do plan on going to Waterways on Wend.


I'll have them up this week... where are yours buddy?  If you want I can copy over what you have and post them up too.

I won't be at Waterways Wed, can't get out of work.  They need to hold those meetings after 5!
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on March 08, 2011, 11:00:22 AM
Quote from: fieldafm

quote]the question is could non motorized small craft be reasonably accommodated outside of present restriction

At present, the gate will remain locked during the week.  I totally agree that hand launched vessels should be given access during any daylight hours... but its going to be an uphill climb.  We need a few good people such as yourself to show up at Waterways to let their feelings be known... b/c it is my understanding that the State of Florida DEP, Parks Dept and LPS all need to modify the permitting if that would be the case.

In my experience I suggest one not rely solely on the Jacksonville Waterways Commission .
(For instance,during Jacksonville Marine Association J.T.Lowe's prime era I learned to check in with the Governor's environmental staff person Estes Whitfield for a balanced assessment of an issue)
Individuals should contact the agencies and research themselves.In this case contacts could also include The Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission office of Boating and Waterways and our own Dr.Quinton White.(And I bet conversations with our current Governor's office could well spurn endless MJ threads LOL!....)
Individual action does not preclude 'organized',but is rather a potential effective firewall and empowerment of the "somebody".
                   "Things don't turn up in this world until somebody turns them up"- James A. Garfield
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: billy on March 08, 2011, 11:14:56 AM
This may be wrong forum, but is a final version of HDR Hogans Creek study available?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: InnerCityPressure on March 08, 2011, 12:21:08 PM
I am just hearing about the possibility of canoeing or kayaking around the city (i.e. Hogan's, McCoy's)  Is it legal to canoe in the St. John's right in the city?  I keep saying canoe, because I would likely have to do that with the family as opposed to kayak... Are there any places to launch around Riverside?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on March 08, 2011, 01:43:38 PM
In my opinion canoeing in the river could be dangerous especially with the tides and currents. Creeks are safer.

As for Riverside that is District 14 and what a great question to ask the candidates that are running for that council district.

Please share with us what they tell you.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 08, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
Innercity... come out with us next time we do Hogans or McCoys!

The current gets VERY swift downtown, especially b/w the Acosta and Main Street bridges.

As for Dist 14(my district), my man is Jim Love.  He does in fact 'get' river stewardship and river access.

That being said, a great spot to launch in Riverside/Avondale area is the former Yacht Club basin... it is now parkspace bordering Beu Rivage condos.  Depending on the tidal conditions, its a neat spot to launch from.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on March 08, 2011, 04:55:53 PM
InnerCity-I concur that caution is in order regarding downtown waters.

Night time vessel use is allowed.For Boating Laws (such as night operation/lighting etc.) and responsibilities see for instance    www.Boat-Ed.com/fl

Night time on the river is special any time.Floating out on the river in front of the RAM area between I-95 and the railroad bridge,looking east,one feels like they are floating in a giant bowl of blue jello thanks to the light reflection.And then of course the full moon events.......

Another near by hand lauch alternative is the park at Ortega River bridge.South side with parking and short haul to the pier and pocket beach.This puts you right around the corner from the big river,and also handy to Ortega/McGirts and
(*** ***).

Regarding the "River" vote in District 14......... know that positive events with one tributary are far ahead of any of the great District 14 candidates anyway.
Thanks to the RAP District 14 Candidate Forum question regarding the imperiled waterway that defines the southwestern boundary of RAP,to which ALL of the candidates stumbled,(*** ***) is a matter of expanded general knowledge and conversation.
In my assesement,based on over a decade of study and involvement,the candidate who caught up the quickest,with transparent depth,is JILL DAME.
In any instance where an office holder proves inadequate on any "River resource" matter we need simply only look in the mirror.

 *** ***(Fishweir Creek) Big and Little......
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: JaxNative68 on March 08, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
field- Does the current slow down adjacent to the bulkhead along the north side of the river?  Just wondering if paddling from Hogans to McCoys is possible.  If so, we may have to try it.  Although enjoyable, the Hogan trip Saturday seemed to short.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on March 08, 2011, 05:08:02 PM
Council meeting now.
You can go from Hogans to McCoys with an incoming tide. Imagine the stops along the way. The dock thats already in place at the Shipyards/Landmar site.

Fish under the cavernous depths of the shadows which is the waters of the Hyatt paking lot. continue on to another stop which is Bay St. Pier Park. Then on to RAM then on to McCoys.

An active day on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River. And thats just the Northbank.

It can happen now.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 09, 2011, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on March 08, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
field- Does the current slow down adjacent to the bulkhead along the north side of the river?  Just wondering if paddling from Hogans to McCoys is possible.  If so, we may have to try it.  Although enjoyable, the Hogan trip Saturday seemed to short.

In the morning its not so bad.  When the tide goes out it starts to get moving.  Making the trip from Hogans/McCoy/RAM is easily doable... getting back would be a chore b/c you'd be in the middle of the tidal current going back out, therefore the current picks up steam.  I'm debating whether or not to do the Autism bike ride on the 26th.  If I decide not to, do you want to get together the morning of the 26th and make a run at it?  I could park my truck at the Y and we can just haul back the gear to Hogans instead of paddling back.

Im sure Pat, John and a host of others would make a go of it.

I really want to go underneath the Hyatt and join in on the fun those guys go into last week!

Regardless, you should come out to Hogans on the 19th for the cleanup.  It will be a great event!
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: billy on March 09, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
underneath the Hyatt?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on March 09, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on March 08, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
field- Does the current slow down adjacent to the bulkhead along the north side of the river?  Just wondering if paddling from Hogans to McCoys is possible.  If so, we may have to try it.  Although enjoyable, the Hogan trip Saturday seemed to short.

At lot depends on the vessel itself-performance can vary greatly.
My looong 17 foot sit inside narrow beam Necky "Looksha" is a real race boat that strides most effortlessly in to wind and current.Smaller and/or beamier craft struggle more.

A sit on top type is vastly easier to get in and out of at tight beaches,landings,floating docks.And less of a challenge crawling back on to in the event of a FLIP.

***Grave consideration must be given to the prospect of a capsize in the downtown river environment;strong currents, extended boating season with cold water reality and little or no shoreline access to stand and escape.........***

Timming to coincide with tides can be a real plus.Tide tables easily accessed via the internet.

The entire river is squeezed in to and through downtown-an under water 'Grand Canyon";a funnel with depths in front of the Landing in excess of 60 feet.
And of course day to day tidal flow varies considerably according to seasonal/lunar cycles and prevailing winds.

By the way- the rocks downstream of RAM provide good hunting grounds for drift wood.

And how about Paddle Boards now on scene- basically giant surf boards paddled standing up,recent models feature leaning posts and storage.Don't know how the Board fare in strong current.

Paddle Boards like walking on water-I can just see a flotilla of Water Walkers downtown.........."RIVER WALK" personified!
South bank,North Bank,Mid River..........

            (original post later edited for clarity,adherence to thread subject  n.m.)

Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: mtraininjax on March 11, 2011, 12:36:23 AM
Quotefar cheaper than paying for parking at the stadium

I like the water taxi, don't get me wrong, it is a great ride and way to get off the normal path. But my lot J pass is only 20 bucks, no matter how many people I cram in my SUV. So if it is 3-5 bucks on the water taxi EACH WAY, and your round trip to the landing, is similar to mine, what have you really saved? A few bucks?

With gas prices headed up to 4 bucks and higher, look for the water taxi to be raising their rates as well. Pretty soon that Lot J parking pass will be less expensive than the water taxi.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Garden guy on March 11, 2011, 06:54:25 PM
Does anyone know why they only have this open on the weekends and if they plan on opening it up later on during the week....just seems like a waist for only 2 days a week.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: fieldafm on March 14, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
I don't have a parking pass, and the only lots open are the onea in b/w Met Park and the Shipyards, the one all the way past the train tracks by the silos or the 2nd lot behind the Matthews Expressway on A Philip Randolph.  All those lots are sufficiently far enough from the stadium and otherwise empty enough of other tailgaters, that I'd frankly prefer not to park there.  The Tailgaters lot is around $30/game.. as is the Fairgounds.

I tailgate in a lot about twice a year(usually for Indy and Tenn)... but I'd much rather do the River Taxi($8 round trip), the free boat ride at the Landing(spending $10 pre-game at Hooters is far better than sweating around a bunch of dudes in the wiltering September heat while paying $30 bucks to park and about $30 on food to grill) or taking the JTA shuttle which costs $6 and includes a free item(either a hot dog, soda, popcorn... depending on the week).

Im not made of money, so I do what I can to afford my two season tickets and the ancillary expenses of the game itself(for instance, I get gas only at Gate during the season to get the Jags Bucks... I average about $130 or so a year in Jags Bucks to spend at the game through the Gate program, thereby freeing up cash I would otherwise spend on beer inside the stadium).

If I could get a decent parking pass on a season pass basis close to the stadium for $20/game... I'd consider it.  Otherwise, spending a morning eating at the Landing by the water, taking a short fun boat ride over to the stadium, and being able to afford partying afterwards at Dos Gatos b/c I havent spent $50 or more b/w parking/beer drinking inside the stadium/tailgating food is still a better deal for me. 

QuoteDoes anyone know why they only have this open on the weekends and if they plan on opening it up later on during the week....just seems like a waist for only 2 days a week.

Permitting issue with the state of Florida RE: Manatees and access during the week b/c Fidelity has parking rights.

GG, make your thoughts be known to Parks Dept about opening access for hand launced crafts during any daylight hours.  It's going to take some community outcry to grease the wheels.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on May 16, 2011, 03:18:38 PM
Heard out and about:

Thank you Captain Rocky for directly engaging the Mayor and sharing your vision.

Mayor Peyton,keenly aware of River Access interest, is possibly interested in accommodating a hand launched facility in conjunction with upcoming YMCA construction.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on May 28, 2011, 01:59:44 PM

Huge props to Capt. Rocky, you, and Mayor Peyton for any additional access points to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Dog Walker on May 28, 2011, 04:01:48 PM
Upcoming YMCA construction??  More info please.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: north miami on May 28, 2011, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on May 28, 2011, 04:01:48 PM
Upcoming YMCA construction??  More info please.

Local yacht captain and river recreation access advocate Captain Rocky- ph) 361 8585
Rocky recently conducted a river cruise with Mayor Peyton;YMCA hand launch discussion.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Garden guy on May 28, 2011, 04:51:02 PM
IT's still too bad we can only use it two days a week...seems kind of expensive of a dock when you think of it in those terms..
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Know Growth on July 28, 2012, 10:05:53 PM

Spinning around in circles??

Questions as to RAM dock placement,use?

State permit insights are a matter of public record;news and information if you will.

Start with      connie.webel@dep.state.fl.us
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on November 25, 2012, 05:21:51 AM
Quote from: Noone on March 07, 2011, 04:13:45 AM
It was a fantastic opportunity to share this piece of Jacksonville's Maritime history with JaxNative68 and Field. Great pictures MJ team.

The $395,000 floating dock was done with TIF funding from the Northbank.

Now as everyone is saying can you imagine how little it would cost and the benefit for a council district for a pocket pier or floating dock at a Waterfront Public Access street end.

Mayor Peyton and other elected officials said that there is no more money. That is where FIND comes in. I can't wait to share this with the Commissioners of the Florida Inland Navigation District.

So Who's next. Who wants to paddle from Hogans Creek to the floating dock at RAM?

Elected officials and those running in the Spring elections go to the front of the line.

Its official.

Our St. Johns River our American Heritage River is Open for Business.

One day out from the secret meeting that will try and correct the Backroom crushing of what should be a Public dialogue and input as it relates to our ad volorem property tax through a process established by the legislature with FIND and Public Aceess projects.

We are so Lost.

Is everyone excited about our new Authority? At the 11/20/12 Committee meeting of our new DIA on strategy and timing chair Melody Bishop, along with Board members Allegretti, Harris, Perez, were informed by interim director Paul Crawford that TIF funding for projects has been used up till 2017. 5 years out. OUCH!

It is true that only RAM can use this dock at this time. Not good. So what did we do? Legislation was introduced 2011-364 that would insure that Bennie for Ram for 30 years. Are we a joke or what.

Who will soon be getting a million dollar payday for Palms Fish Camp and they never even opened up the door?

How about this one. Intuition Ale wants to build a new facility at the former Shipyards site with no handouts and they are immediately shut down. Someone correct me if my understanding of that is wrong.

So what are the TIF projects and how much are we in the hole before we continue to pick the winners and losers?

Never forget Shipyards/Landmar. Monuments for everyone.

Anyone going to the 11/26/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission Committee meeting on the 2013 FIND cycle grant projects at 9:30 am 4th floor city hall?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on December 04, 2012, 03:57:46 AM
What are the TIF projects that have us in the hole till 2017? The RAM dock is one. The parking garages two? 2010-674. This was discussed at the last DIA/CRA meeting.
Jacksonville Waterway Commission members still had concerns about the restrictions of access to the taxpayer subsidized Public dock.
River Access is a Huge issue for our new DIA/CRA in the USA.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting and DIA Board meeting 8 days out with HUGE back room announcements occurring at both meetings. Anyone going?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on December 10, 2012, 06:00:15 AM
2012-732 legislation on Hemming Plaza. Brand new.
2011-364 Legislation on Ram and the dock. Withdrawn.
Anyone see a pattern here?
Feel free to add your own Examples.
A new Authority.
Embrace it.
Or
It will Embrace us.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on January 05, 2013, 06:05:51 AM
Special noticed meeting to make up for the non noticed meetings is 2 days out 4th floor city Hall at 10 am 1/7/13 on the Super Duper 2013 FIND grant application cycle. Will anyone from the new DIA/CRA in the USA be there? Will any council member be there? There was only one person from the Public at the last meeting with 100's of 1000's of dollars on the line. It's a good thing we passed 2012-402.

Palms Fish Camp you made your million and you never even opened up the door.
Show up.
May the Vision continue.

2013 is 2025

PS. Is that a Public or Private sidewalk next to the new Bulkhead at the Cummer that was never before Waterways.
PSS. Anyone want to kayak and fish under the brand new No Fishing signs that was never before Waterways?

I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on March 02, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
In celebration of the opening of RAM and wanting to be All In it was mandatory to provide a spark by Making a Scene on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a FEDERAL Initiative in our newly created DIA Zone.

So where are you allowed to participate and launch a kayak? There are options and more to be announced by the Administration. But in the spirit of the current 2013 FIND grant application process that we are currently in and with the opening of RAM I launched at the beautiful sandy beach that doesn't have a Mayor Brown Kayak logo Sidney Gefen Park. Somebody. Wake UP!

Conditions were sporty to say the least. I brought a bike and left it at Metroplolitan marina that has a Mayor Brown Kayak Logo. I had a wet suit on and used a touring kayak that would cut through the waves and swells. It was a high outgoing tide and I was able to just glide under the bridge. You could feel the vibrancy of the people right from the start. River traffic was light and that's understandable. The paddle to RAM was tough there were some good gusts at times and you just kept paddling. I took it to the other side of the Fuller Warren snapped a few pics and then it was time to make the journey down to the food trucks.

Congratulations to RAM.

With the music playing and breaks in the wind it was now a nice paddle going with the tide. I touched my paddle to the RAM dock then I took it under the TU on McCoys Creek and went to the fallen trees. Didn't see any herons. Lots of garbage though. Back in the river I just hugged the Northbank, Missed the train traffic which is too bad. I was about a 100' from shore and besides the river taxi I just encountered maybe 3 boats.

The wind was picking up a little bit and I kept a coarse close to shore. Again it's an outgoing tide which is a plus but also my destination is the Mayor Brown Kayak logo at the Metro Park Marina. I would have loved to have been able to put in at Berkman or the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel floating dock compromise that was misrepresented by OGC at the last Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting that is identifying projects for the 2013 FIND grant application cycle. But NO. I'm being compelled to take it around the Shipyards Pier and so I'm more exposed to the channel and the swells are definitely larger and the bow of the kayak is slightly underwater (I also need to drop a few pounds)as I'm riding and breaking these waves. Once past the piers it was time to take in to Hogans Creek

Out of the channel you can relax. I just went up Hogans as far as the Maxwell House Plant. The aroma of the coffee was a pleasant break that allowed the senses and the body to rejuvenate. the paddle back out to the channel was met with the same constant wave action along with the wind. the bird activity was extremely strong and to watch the extra flap in their wings as they to we're figuring out the wind.

Once in the empty sheltered marina it was smooth paddling. With the kayak out it was time to now ride my bike back to Sidney Gefen Park. Nice ride back. Just took Bay St. To the Riverwalk. The Food trucks were still there and I was hungry. Saw First Coast Outfitters, Tony Allegretti, tufsu1 and although I wanted to stop I needed to get my kayak loaded up.

Once loaded up and by the time I made it to the parking lot things were wrapping up. I'll be back. Going forward the Administration will be announcing new kayak locations. Dave Roman- He's the man.

Ben-JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025

Who's next?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on April 25, 2013, 05:46:07 AM
Great meeting of the LOST just 8 hours out 4Th floor city hall at 1 pm. What is really changing? The Public Trust just crushed. The RAM dock is only open when RAM is open. Wake Up Jacksonville!

2012-202- Robbing from 4 accounts to pay for free parking for city council members.
2013-214 - And some of you MJ'ers who were at city council witnessed this first hand. $20,000 for 20 new city council chairs without Public Comment and taken up as an emergency. Cha Ching!
Palms Fish Camp! Palms Fish Camp! Palms Fish Camp! Wake Up Jacksonville! Next to a FIND project. Who from OGC wrote the contract? A million bucks and they never even opened the door. how do you sign up for this stuff.
Who gets the FBI RICO award for the Waterways? the Public Trust destroyed let me show you.
A pension for a convicted child molester by a Board with community support in Jacksonville.
Then you can bet your No Trespassing sign that someone has for immediate direct personal gain has circumvented our ad valorem property tax revenue for personal benefit.
So many more examples feel free to add your own.
Anybody want to donate a buck to 2009-442?

Each launch is a Spark.

Ben- JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025

Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on July 06, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
River Ruckus starting now at RAM.  Anyone going?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on July 11, 2013, 07:32:10 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 09:49:17 AM
Right now, there is no weekday access for the dock.




Will the recent success of River Ruckus now have this taxpayer subsidized dock opened for everyone?

Mayor Brown is holding a meeting today in Springfied in less than 11 hours. Open to the Public. There is now pending legislation before the city council 2013-384 Auth. A license Agreement with Sons of Confederate Veterans for a buck a year. Will there be a friendly amendment that will allow 24/7 access to Hogans Creek that is next to this city property?

Or will we continue our BOLD (Building Our Local Divide) legislative handouts that legislatively restrict Public Access and economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a FEDERAL Initiative in our new highly restricted DIA zone.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on July 16, 2013, 05:01:58 AM
DIA noticed meeting 5 hours out. Anyone going?
The RAM dock is relevant.
it's all about Downtown
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on August 05, 2013, 04:34:14 AM
On the water yesterday 8/4/13 and there is noticeable damage to the RAM dock.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on August 14, 2013, 06:18:56 AM
Jacksonville Waterways Commission Meeting 3 1/2 hours out. Will there be an update on the RAM dock damage? Has anyone seen an agenda? Open to the Public.

Went to the Chart House last night for supporting the Eat Up Downtown promotion.  Fantastic Experience except for the parking lot. We had a waterfront table. Counted 3 boats going by in our empty Downtown During our experience. Saw a dolphin. The food and dining experience was great.
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: cline on August 14, 2013, 08:51:51 AM
^So you saw 3 boats and a dolphin and you consider that empty?
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: acme54321 on August 14, 2013, 12:00:53 PM
Yeah Tuesday afternoon/night isn't exactly a hot time to be out on the boat...
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on June 09, 2014, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: Noone on July 11, 2013, 07:32:10 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on March 07, 2011, 09:49:17 AM
Right now, there is no weekday access for the dock.




Will the recent success of River Ruckus now have this taxpayer subsidized dock opened for everyone?

Mayor Brown is holding a meeting today in Springfied in less than 11 hours. Open to the Public. There is now pending legislation before the city council 2013-384 Auth. A license Agreement with Sons of Confederate Veterans for a buck a year. Will there be a friendly amendment that will allow 24/7 access to Hogans Creek that is next to this city property?

Or will we continue our BOLD (Building Our Local Divide) legislative handouts that legislatively restrict Public Access and economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a FEDERAL Initiative in our new highly restricted DIA zone.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.


One day out from the last Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting with new city council leadership and a number of dominoes that can fall and the message from our Waterway is Don't Visit Jacksonville!

On the agenda is 2014-305 new docking Rules. Also we now have a new CRA/DIA in the USA and potential super duper restrictions in how all of us going forward will be able to participate in economice opportunity on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a FEDERAL Initiative in this positive zone.

MJ'ers still have an open contest if anyone can take a picture of the new Waterway signage that was never before Waterways. I will treat you to Chopstick Charley's and we will use Uber. Scott Wilson feel free to jump in on this one. We talked about it last week.

My favorite is the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel, 26 ' Berkman floating dock compromise (Shipyards III) misrepresented by OGC to the Jacksonville Waterways Commission during the 2013 FIND grant application process. our ad valorem property tax money. This is also a CRA project submission that may or may not be part of the final CRA/DIA in the USA.

So MJ'ers should an amendment be attached to this active legislation 2014-305 that would allow for 24/7 Economic access 10' for example the RAM dock or 10'for the new yet to be built Southbank floating dock? At the 4/2/14 noticed meeting it was announced by Tera Meeks and Paige Johnston that 1 vendor will be getting a 10 year no compete clause for this new floating dock. Should there be an ordinance number for this? Pick and choose the winners and losers. Anyone else feel sorry for the water taxi guys?

So many more examples.

The opportunity to tell the world to VISIT JACKSONVILLE is being legislatively created.

Planning a RICO paddle.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.





Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: tufsu1 on June 09, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
City Council will be discussing the water taxi at its meeting tomorrow night.  Public comment will be permitted at the meeting which starts at 5pm
Title: Re: Improving River Access: RAM Docking Facility Opens
Post by: Noone on June 09, 2014, 09:09:20 PM
^Is there an ordinance number? Remember the No Bid, No Public Comment for 20 new comfy chairs?

Visit Jacksonville!