Metro Jacksonville

If i missed this on another thread, I apologize.

Does anyone have any updates on this?  It looks like the ball has started rolling on this project.  I checked some of the "Urban Core Construction" updates but just found info on the middle school conversion.  I'm curious as to what the final product is suppose to look like.

http://www.coj.net/NR/rdonlyres/e7jv4yqqtexn4klpqog725lenpuuoe2yh364bho5a2ca6kdsfb4jvj3d6mhwuvhtuov7d6pkufjqx3dzoakqpswhpsa/Stockton+Street+Vision+Part+1.pdf (http://www.coj.net/NR/rdonlyres/e7jv4yqqtexn4klpqog725lenpuuoe2yh364bho5a2ca6kdsfb4jvj3d6mhwuvhtuov7d6pkufjqx3dzoakqpswhpsa/Stockton+Street+Vision+Part+1.pdf)

I couldn't get the link to work but I did check out COJ.net and found their vision plans.  Thanks for the tip.

hey its going to look great i think

That's quite a URL...

Looks awesome

Looks really good!

I hope this eventually extends to the Stockton on the "other side of I-10".  :)

We were there for the groundbreaking and it is my understanding from talking to the City people there that it will extend all the way to the railroad tracks on the north side of I-10.  The Firefighters Union and Gateway Rehab have agreed to maintain the two landscaped medians that are going in on each side of I-10.

Getting the power lines underground along that stretch is going to be a big improvement all by itself.

I hope John Gorrie goes ahead with the commercial component on Stockton street.  It would be profitable for them and great for the neighborhood.

Quote from: Dog Walker on April 08, 2011, 08:20:46 AM
We were there for the groundbreaking and it is my understanding from talking to the City people there that it will extend all the way to the railroad tracks on the north side of I-10.  The Firefighters Union and Gateway Rehab have agreed to maintain the two landscaped medians that are going in on each side of I-10.

Getting the power lines underground along that stretch is going to be a big improvement all by itself.

Extending this past the overpass is a giant waste. There is nothing over there that any body can enjoy. Run-off space, WW GAY and Gateway rehab.

Quote from: Dog Walker on April 08, 2011, 08:20:46 AM
We were there for the groundbreaking and it is my understanding from talking to the City people there that it will extend all the way to the railroad tracks on the north side of I-10.  The Firefighters Union and Gateway Rehab have agreed to maintain the two landscaped medians that are going in on each side of I-10.

Getting the power lines underground along that stretch is going to be a big improvement all by itself.

Power lines unfortunately are not going underground.  JEA claimed that just the one block between College and Myra would cost $500,000.  The project actually extends only to Phyliiss St. and not beyond the overpass.  There will be a median there and between Gilmore and Ernest.  The Firefighters have agreed to maintain them as the City will not and requires an org. who will. 

Looks good.  The streetscapes is one thing the city does right.  Appearances mean a lot.

North Riverside (particularly on Stockton) has been reeling over the last coupla years with the bad economy and crime. Tien's Chinese restaurant, and Mary Ann's Chicken both had closed about two years ago; I'm not sure with Ms Betty's Chicken (formerly Mary Ann's) hours, but everytime I see it it appears to be closed. Sure the "other side of the tracks" are unadorned, but it is what it is, a predominantly black neighborhood with heavy/light industrial. Sure N. Riverside isn't perfect, but everything can't be baskets of roses you know. I'm proud to have lived in N. Riverside at one time. Kickbacks is not that far away either.  

Why don't the people with idea's and imagination speak up? Here we go again 800+ square miles of the same old shit!  Big black arm signals ought to go really nice with our Cobra Head streetlights. In case your wondering how the Acme Light was blended with the Cobra Head streetlights, they were stacked on the same posts at intersections, streetlight above and traffic lights below. Damn people THINK... wouldn't a 1926 style ACME traffic signal system, with the addition of a caution light be a "traffic stopper" on Stockton street? Or Park and King? How about replacing the 5-Points flasher with the original acetylene torch light?

Time to pull your head out Jacksonville!

OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Kay on April 08, 2011, 04:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on April 08, 2011, 08:20:46 AM
We were there for the groundbreaking and it is my understanding from talking to the City people there that it will extend all the way to the railroad tracks on the north side of I-10.  The Firefighters Union and Gateway Rehab have agreed to maintain the two landscaped medians that are going in on each side of I-10.

Getting the power lines underground along that stretch is going to be a big improvement all by itself.

Power lines unfortunately are not going underground.  JEA claimed that just the one block between College and Myra would cost $500,000.  The project actually extends only to Phyliiss St. and not beyond the overpass.  There will be a median there and between Gilmore and Ernest.  The Firefighters have agreed to maintain them as the City will not and requires an org. who will. 

Well darn!  Must have been my wishful thinking about underground powerlines.  Thanks for the more accurate information. And thanks for your work on making this project happen.

The underground power lines were probably in the community vision for the town center, but budget realities intruded. I think several of the town center visions ask for this - and get the same answer.

My future father in law who is originally from East Brunswick was in town last night for the first time.  He was very impressed with Riverside.  He said he didn't realize Jacksonville had a neighborhood like this and kept remarking about how much it reminded him of the neighborhoods in the northeast.  Good Job Riverside! Keeping me in good standing with the in laws.  ;D

He also thoroughly enjoyed Bold City Brewery.

Has anyone been on Stockton St very recently? Like this week? I live right off Stockton and theer is a red line painted down the middle of Stockton right around Gilmore St to just about Dellwood. I swear it looks like they are going to add a median right in the middle of Stockton and plant some palm trees. Now while that would be cool looking, its going to create some real traffic issues, especially in the morning and afternoon rush hours. They need to get the traffic light at Gilmore fixed so it doesn't stay red against Stockton St for so long. I have seen traffic backed up nearly to Post St in the afternoons because that dumb light stays red way, way too long. I did complain to the city about it and was told the timing system needed to be upgraded but the city didn't have the budget for it.

There will be a median between Gilmore and Ernest with a break for the alley.  It doesn not extend past Ernest.  The other median will be between Phylliss and Roselle.  There will be Live Oaks planted in the medians.

I noticed today on the San Marco project they are installing the illuminated street signs on the mast arm poles, I wonder if the same will be done on this project?

Don't think so.

Quote from: Kay on April 21, 2011, 03:37:06 PM
There will be a median between Gilmore and Ernest with a break for the alley.  It doesn not extend past Ernest.  The other median will be between Phylliss and Roselle.  There will be Live Oaks planted in the medians.

Live oaks??? Aren't those like, really big trees with lots of branches that would hang down over both lanes of travel?

I don't think the live oaks will be a problem.  Go to Savannah sometime and imagine what Riverside Avondale would look like if we had planted more live oaks than water or laurel oaks 100 years ago.  The water & laurel oaks are falling apart and have to be taken down at great expense leaving large holes in our tree canopy.

I've never seen them affect the lanes of travel.  If properly maintained they can live hundreds of years.  It beats those useless palm trees everyone likes to plant around Florida.

Well I'm not a tree expert so i will yield to those who do know. Anxious to see what the whole thing will look like when its done..

the live oaks are great until JEA comes to butcher them!

Hasn't COJ learned yet that medians run completely counter to natural traffic movement and cause more problems than they solve? Wow...they ruined Springfield with those now they're coming over here I guess.

They shouldn't butcher the ones in the median as no power lines there.  We're also planting more live oaks on the west side where only phone lines are and they never trim.  There will be 3 blocks of the project with live oaks on the west and drake elms on the east and 3 blocks with multi-stemmed crepes (Natchez) that will grow pretty tall.  The medians are 16 feet wide so will have a substantial presence.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 21, 2011, 04:06:30 PM
Hasn't COJ learned yet that medians run completely counter to natural traffic movement and cause more problems than they solve? Wow...they ruined Springfield with those now they're coming over here I guess.

The medians will not interfere with interesections or alleys, so traffic movement should not be affected.

Quote from: Kay on April 08, 2011, 04:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on April 08, 2011, 08:20:46 AM
We were there for the groundbreaking and it is my understanding from talking to the City people there that it will extend all the way to the railroad tracks on the north side of I-10.  The Firefighters Union and Gateway Rehab have agreed to maintain the two landscaped medians that are going in on each side of I-10.

Getting the power lines underground along that stretch is going to be a big improvement all by itself.

Power lines unfortunately are not going underground.  JEA claimed that just the one block between College and Myra would cost $500,000.  The project actually extends only to Phyliiss St. and not beyond the overpass.  There will be a median there and between Gilmore and Ernest.  The Firefighters have agreed to maintain them as the City will not and requires an org. who will.  

JEA has money, they simply choose to continually butcher the trees in the neighborhood every few years rather than solve the problem once on for all.

QuoteHas anyone been on Stockton St very recently? Like this week? I live right off Stockton and theer is a red line painted down the middle of Stockton right around Gilmore St to just about Dellwood. I swear it looks like they are going to add a median right in the middle of Stockton and plant some palm trees. Now while that would be cool looking, its going to create some real traffic issues, especially in the morning and afternoon rush hours. They need to get the traffic light at Gilmore fixed so it doesn't stay red against Stockton St for so long. I have seen traffic backed up nearly to Post St in the afternoons because that dumb light stays red way, way too long. I did complain to the city about it and was told the timing system needed to be upgraded but the city didn't have the budget for it.

You can call Kenny Logsdon at the City and find out. He is in charge of these new enhancements to the neighborhoods for the City.

In case anyone is interested here is a picture of the new streetlights being installed on Stockton St as part of this new project.

(http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/jbroadglide/streetlight.jpg)

But they don't help the look of that butt-ugly tangle of wires at all.

All together now:  "Underground, underground, underground!"

Quote from: Dog Walker on May 08, 2011, 10:36:02 AM
But they don't help the look of that butt-ugly tangle of wires at all.

All together now:  "Underground, underground, underground!"

I agree.  I also think the lights look a little out of place.  I don't know if they are too high but something about them doesn't look right to me.  Otherwise I like the work that's been done and I am looking forward to seeing the finished product.

Too high for sure, but they may be constrained by the number of poles on the street and how much illumination the standards call for.  There are some street level lights too.

Quote from: Dog Walker on May 08, 2011, 05:11:44 PM
Too high for sure, but they may be constrained by the number of poles on the street and how much illumination the standards call for.  There are some street level lights too.

You're right,  I noticed the street level lights last night on my way back from Carmines. Very Nice.  I had missed those previously.

Ok, so does it strike anyone as odd that we didn't bury the lines as we tore up the street?  Ah, we have big trees and big thunderstorms and tropical weather.  Someone in charge of this project should be fired.  I'm serious.  If you're going to tear up a street, it should be mandatory to bury lines.  Especially in Florida.

Simms this is Jacksonville. :)  Did you really think they would get something right the first time? <sarcasm>

Quote from: simms3 on May 09, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
Ok, so does it strike anyone as odd that we didn't bury the lines as we tore up the street?  Ah, we have big trees and big thunderstorms and tropical weather.  Someone in charge of this project should be fired.  I'm serious.  If you're going to tear up a street, it should be mandatory to bury lines.  Especially in Florida.

It has more to do with the fact that JEA is cheap.  I'm sure there wasn't nearly enough budget in this project to bury the lines.  However, JEA could have stepped up and done it in conjunction. 

Quote from: simms3 on May 09, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
Ok, so does it strike anyone as odd that we didn't bury the lines as we tore up the street?  Ah, we have big trees and big thunderstorms and tropical weather.  Someone in charge of this project should be fired.  I'm serious.  If you're going to tear up a street, it should be mandatory to bury lines.  Especially in Florida.

Simms, pay more taxes and then maybe JEA or 'whoever is in charge of this project' could afford to bury the lines.  If the citizens of Jax want to keep on living in the lowest tax city in the southeast, then you get what you DON'T pay for!

Quote from: cline on May 10, 2011, 09:21:21 AM

Quote from: simms3 on May 09, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
Ok, so does it strike anyone as odd that we didn't bury the lines as we tore up the street?  Ah, we have big trees and big thunderstorms and tropical weather.  Someone in charge of this project should be fired.  I'm serious.  If you're going to tear up a street, it should be mandatory to bury lines.  Especially in Florida.

It has more to do with the fact that JEA is cheap.  I'm sure there wasn't nearly enough budget in this project to bury the lines.  However, JEA could have stepped up and done it in conjunction. 

JEA told us it would cost $500,000 just to bury the lines on one block between College and Myra.  So... while I think that is crazy talk, we definitely didn't have enough money to bury the lines.  We had less than $800,000 for the entire project.

And Simms, I believe it is you who has written letters to the editor about improving Jacksonville and one of your points is that historic districts should allow contemporary infill.  Somehow, I don't think that is what is holding Jacksonville back.  And you are assuming the historic preservation organizations are opposed to contemporary infill.  Have you asked them if that is the case?  The JHPC rules on new development in historic districts.  In the past, I believe the problem has been scale and not design.

And how much does it cost to send crews out to trim back the trees and to repair downed lines when a storm comes? I'm sure it doesn't completely offset the cost of burying the lines, but that plus the asthetic benefits outweigh the costs to me.

Quote from: Fallen Buckeye on May 17, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
And how much does it cost to send crews out to trim back the trees and to repair downed lines when a storm comes? I'm sure it doesn't completely offset the cost of burying the lines, but that plus the asthetic benefits outweigh the costs to me.

But this is Jacksonville, master of the "patch it now then rip it up and fix it later" construction job. Spend as little as possible, then when it breaks, spend as little as possible fixing it.

Frankly, it's a miracle they're fixing Friendship Fountain. We'll see if they ever get around to re-doing that deathtrap of a Southbank Riverwalk... let alone bury power lines just because it "makes sense."

That is starting to ring true in many aspects of life and unfortunately technology is to blame:

"There's never time/money to do something right the first time, but there's always plenty to do it over." - Unknown

Quote from: Fallen Buckeye on May 17, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
And how much does it cost to send crews out to trim back the trees and to repair downed lines when a storm comes? I'm sure it doesn't completely offset the cost of burying the lines, but that plus the asthetic benefits outweigh the costs to me.

I heard somewhere that it only takes 14 years for the cost of underground lines to be offset by the savings in repairs and tree trimming.  Must do more research to confirm the memory, but it sounds about right.

Quote from: Dog Walker on May 18, 2011, 08:34:12 AM

Quote from: Fallen Buckeye on May 17, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
And how much does it cost to send crews out to trim back the trees and to repair downed lines when a storm comes? I'm sure it doesn't completely offset the cost of burying the lines, but that plus the asthetic benefits outweigh the costs to me.

I heard somewhere that it only takes 14 years for the cost of underground lines to be offset by the savings in repairs and tree trimming.  Must do more research to confirm the memory, but it sounds about right.

Perhaps JEA could come up with some of the money by cutting Jim Dickenson's $300k+ salary.

Walking the dogs down Stockton St. this morning between College and Myra I noticed that the space at the other end of the building from Bakery Moderne that has just been vacated by LDI Graphics had signs in the windows announcing that Bold Bean Coffee Roasters was moving into the space.

Nice addition to the neighborhood!  Does anyone know if they are going to have a coffee shop there as well as roasting and selling their beans?  It would be really nice if they are.

Thats a big space. Ya gotta believe it'll be a shop plus

It will be a coffee shop.

It they roast there too, just think of the wonderful smell!

Roasting coffee stinks, It smells bad and nothing like brewing coffee. Still great addition if true.

personally I like the smell.  I think it smells like a mix of roasted coffee and popcorn

Quote from: Dog Walker on June 08, 2011, 01:21:30 PM
Walking the dogs down Stockton St. this morning between College and Myra I noticed that the space at the other end of the building from Bakery Moderne that has just been vacated by LDI Graphics had signs in the windows announcing that Bold Bean Coffee Roasters was moving into the space.

Nice addition to the neighborhood!  Does anyone know if they are going to have a coffee shop there as well as roasting and selling their beans?  It would be really nice if they are.

That is exciting. Anyone know an ETA on the opening yet?

The www.thejohngorrie.com is looking great too.  Only problem is.. Are condos really selling right now?

Anything will sell for the right price in the right location. I walked through last week and was impressed. Public viewings start next weekend. The Weavers did an excellent job and deserve the windfall of kudos they will receive for this project.

Quote from: obie1 on June 08, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
Roasting coffee stinks, It smells bad and nothing like brewing coffee. Still great addition if true.

Not sure that they'll be roasting on site, but their operation is small enough that they could probably fit roasting in the back of the shop (the place they have now is pretty small and actual roasting only takes up a small area - they are truly small batch). I'm no coffee expert, but I thought it smelled pretty good over there when they were roasting.

Quote from: A-Finnius on June 08, 2011, 09:37:28 PM
That is exciting. Anyone know an ETA on the opening yet?

I believe its supposed to be open before the end of summer.

Quote from: Dog Walker on June 08, 2011, 01:21:30 PM
Walking the dogs down Stockton St. this morning between College and Myra I noticed that the space at the other end of the building from Bakery Moderne that has just been vacated by LDI Graphics had signs in the windows announcing that Bold Bean Coffee Roasters was moving into the space.

Nice addition to the neighborhood!  Does anyone know if they are going to have a coffee shop there as well as roasting and selling their beans?  It would be really nice if they are.

Quote from: PeeJayEss on June 08, 2011, 03:06:09 PM
It will be a coffee shop.

Great! Been waiting for someone to do this (meaning coffee roasting + have their own cafe). I don't believe any of the roasters in town does this currently.

Just wonder if they'll roast on the premises or truck it in from their facility across town??

Quote from: John P on June 09, 2011, 08:55:08 AM
Anything will sell for the right price in the right location.

Have you seen any quotes on pricing for these condos?  I didn't see anything on their website.

If I could find a tinker, an LED electronics geek, and industrial designer looking for a start-up, we'd start making reproduction traffic lights for historic districts around the country.


OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 09, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
If I could find a tinker, an LED electronics geek, and industrial designer looking for a start-up, we'd start making reproduction traffic lights for historic districts around the country.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6AHgtcHmgsE/TfF29EKl7cI/AAAAAAAAFGM/smC2Zw0Ps0Q/s800/HOLLYWOOD-ANTIQUE-TRAFFIC-LIGHT.JPG)

OCKLAWAHA

Historic or not you'll need a yellow.

Nah....

80% of people speed up to make it through
19% of people stay the same speed and cruise through
The other 1% prays to God they don't get rearended by one of the other 2 when they stop.

Quote from: Kay on April 21, 2011, 04:09:04 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 21, 2011, 04:06:30 PM
Hasn't COJ learned yet that medians run completely counter to natural traffic movement and cause more problems than they solve? Wow...they ruined Springfield with those now they're coming over here I guess.

The medians will not interfere with interesections or alleys, so traffic movement should not be affected.

Actually, one of the medians is at the Gilmore intersection. A left turn lane (and light) there for the school, Central Riverside Elementary, would make sense. You will have a bottleneck of traffic every morning as parents bring their children to school. Poor planning, people!

Quote from: Overstreet on June 10, 2011, 08:16:32 AM

Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 09, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
If I could find a tinker, an LED electronics geek, and industrial designer looking for a start-up, we'd start making reproduction traffic lights for historic districts around the country.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6AHgtcHmgsE/TfF29EKl7cI/AAAAAAAAFGM/smC2Zw0Ps0Q/s800/HOLLYWOOD-ANTIQUE-TRAFFIC-LIGHT.JPG)

OCKLAWAHA

Historic or not you'll need a yellow.

Not really, a lagging red would serve the same purpose, however as modern codes might require yellow in some communities there is no reason a yellow couldn't be added.

btw I couldn't find a photo of the little 'stop' and 'go' semaphore arms that fit into the side of these lights. Really cool like something out of Laurel and Hardy or the roadrunners ACME supplies.

My main point though is that Jacksonville NEVER seems to do the unique anymore, everything is a knock off of what Charlotte, or Baltimore, or Houston or ....... fill in the blank is doing. I just think it would be knock em dead cool if we actually broke away from the pack and created a REAL 1920's era Stockton Street.

OCKLAWAHA

I don't think the knock statement applies to Stockton Street. Half of what's in it appears to be common approved materials that COJ is comfortable working with. A Houston or Charlotte knock off would include streetcar/LRT tracks.

LOL! Maybe I should have used Duluth but then they have a decent transportation museum...

OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: MissMinda on August 21, 2011, 11:20:09 AMActually, one of the medians is at the Gilmore intersection. A left turn lane (and light) there for the school, Central Riverside Elementary, would make sense. You will have a bottleneck of traffic every morning as parents bring their children to school. Poor planning, people!

I completely agree. On the flipside, the dedicated left turn lanes at Stockton & College are big enough for maybe one or two cars, but the arrow lasts much longer. I really hope they improve the streetlight timing on Stockton; it doesn’t matter if I am going north or south, I almost always hit at least 2 red lights, even when I am the first car through the intersection.

I also don't understand why they put a median on Stockton between Rosselle and I-10. Now when people are going south on Stockton, many are staying in the left turn lane thinking they can go straight through the intersection, so when the light turns green both lanes play chicken!

I think it’s nice they are doing this streetscape, but I wish they would have first focused on making the traffic flow more efficiently, putting the power lines underground, then spend whatever is leftover on beautifying the area.

Quote from: RiversideHusker on August 22, 2011, 02:37:39 PM

Quote from: MissMinda on August 21, 2011, 11:20:09 AMActually, one of the medians is at the Gilmore intersection. A left turn lane (and light) there for the school, Central Riverside Elementary, would make sense. You will have a bottleneck of traffic every morning as parents bring their children to school. Poor planning, people!

I think it’s nice they are doing this streetscape, but I wish they would have first focused on making the traffic flow more efficiently, putting the power lines underground, then spend whatever is leftover on beautifying the area.

The mandate of the Town Center program is NOT to improve traffic flow.  It is to improve aging infrastructure and beautify the area (focusing more on pedestrian and landscape features).

Quote from: cline on August 22, 2011, 02:50:34 PMThe mandate of the Town Center program is NOT to improve traffic flow.  It is to improve aging infrastructure and beautify the area (focusing more on pedestrian and landscape features).

Interesting, did not know that. I wish they could have found a way to both improve traffic flow and make the street/sidewalks look nicer. It's such a shame they can't put the powerlines underground, they look so ugly Hopefully the plan includes funds for regular street sweeping.

Oh well, any improvement is better than none and at least I can curse in my car while looking at pretty trees and nice sidewalks LOL :D

Quote from: RiversideHusker on August 22, 2011, 03:12:16 PM

Quote from: cline on August 22, 2011, 02:50:34 PMThe mandate of the Town Center program is NOT to improve traffic flow.  It is to improve aging infrastructure and beautify the area (focusing more on pedestrian and landscape features).

It's such a shame they can't put the powerlines underground, they look so ugly

This is an issue throughout the neighborhood.  JEA claims it is too expensive to put the utilities underground.  So instead they go through the neighborhood and butcher the trees about every three years or so.  It would be nice if they would begin to phase in putting them underground. 

You can read more about the Town Center program on the city's website.
http://www.coj.net/Departments/Planning-and-Development/Community-Planning-Division/Plans-and-Studies/Town-Center-Program.aspx

+1 on the power lines!  We were all disappointed when that wasn't part of the project.  The parts of town where they are underground look a lot better.

I wonder how much of JEA's reluctance and "cost estimates" are based on the fact that they are best equipped and trained to work on overhead power lines rather than underground ones and don't want to upgrade.

I like medians in the street but only when they're landscaped. It makes the whole area look much nicer.

Landscaped medians are also a "traffic calming device."  When your lines of sight are narrowed you slow down.  Same as with parked cars on the side.  Makes it safer for cars coming from the side streets and people crossing the street.

Quote from: Dog Walker on August 22, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
+1 on the power lines!  We were all disappointed when that wasn't part of the project.  The parts of town where they are underground look a lot better.

I wonder how much of JEA's reluctance and "cost estimates" are based on the fact that they are best equipped and trained to work on overhead power lines rather than underground ones and don't want to upgrade.

JEA will put them underground if you pay for it and convince your neighbors to do the same.  I believe this is what was done on part of Edgewood.  It is tough to pull something like this off on a widespred basis since not everyone can/or wants to pay.  I have no idea how much they would charge residents (customers) per mile to do this.  I would think it wouldn't be cheap.

(http://www.teliasonerahistory.com/global/scaled/310x600x2/media-DA1900-33266-LM000337.jpg)

Actually if it's a TRUE historical look you are after, you should add a few dozen cross arms and another hundred lines or so. Back in the day a phone line was a phone line, and two phone lines equaled two phone lines...etc... Add to this electric service, street lighting, and oh yeah, streetcars and you get an idea.

OCKLAWAHA

So when this year will they finish asphalting Stockton Street?   They planted Sago palms but left the road still mangled up..(springfield...springfield... ::))

Quote from: cline on August 22, 2011, 04:41:26 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on August 22, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
+1 on the power lines!  We were all disappointed when that wasn't part of the project.  The parts of town where they are underground look a lot better.

I wonder how much of JEA's reluctance and "cost estimates" are based on the fact that they are best equipped and trained to work on overhead power lines rather than underground ones and don't want to upgrade.

JEA will put them underground if you pay for it and convince your neighbors to do the same.  I believe this is what was done on part of Edgewood.  It is tough to pull something like this off on a widespred basis since not everyone can/or wants to pay.  I have no idea how much they would charge residents (customers) per mile to do this.  I would think it wouldn't be cheap.

It's not cheap, I looked a few months ago.  JEA has it on their website somehwere.

~$4000 up front, and ~$25 a month for 30 years onto the JEA bill for each residence along the street where it was buried  IIRC. 

Those aren't Sago palms. They are called Coonti palms. Very cold hardy and drought tolerant.

I have even lost track of how long the road was chewed up...was it May or June?

The good sized oaks they put in the median last week look really great. They are going to make the entrance to Riverside from the Stockton St. exit into a canopy road.  A+!

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 12, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
They are going to make the entrance to Riverside from the Stockton St. exit into a canopy road.  A+!

At least until their limbs get too close to the utility lines and JEA comes and chops them down.

Quote from: cline on September 12, 2011, 02:17:03 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 12, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
They are going to make the entrance to Riverside from the Stockton St. exit into a canopy road.  A+!

At least until their limbs get too close to the utility lines and JEA comes and chops them down.

Nah,  they have planted crepe myrtles on the side with the power lines and the oaks where they won't interfere.  Come to think of it, that might not stop Lewis Tree Service.  They might just extend their "circle" from the power line from 15' to 50', "just in case."

Quote from: Ernest Street on September 12, 2011, 02:04:28 PM
I have even lost track of how long the road was chewed up...was it May or June?

They should be resurfacing this week.

I'm very impressed with the finished product. They did a great job!

It does look good. I saw it last night. The street lights look great. The one thing that bothers me is they didnt replace the signals at Gilmore or Rosselle with mast arms.

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 12, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
The good sized oaks they put in the median last week look really great. They are going to make the entrance to Riverside from the Stockton St. exit into a canopy road.  A+!

Any care to share opinions related to renderings of the proposed "medical facility" on Stockton b/w Gilmore and Ernest?

Quote from: ricker on November 28, 2012, 04:01:59 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 12, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
The good sized oaks they put in the median last week look really great. They are going to make the entrance to Riverside from the Stockton St. exit into a canopy road.  A+!

Any care to share opinions related to renderings of the proposed "medical facility" on Stockton b/w Gilmore and Ernest?

Got a link to them?