http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-02-21/story/mike-hogan-says-comment-abortion-clinic-bombing-may-cross-my-mind-was
Hahahaha. Get it. Bomb an abortion clinic? Kill human beings?
Hilarious. . .
Ha ha funny joke! He really knows how to kill a crowd!
Quote from: RiversideLoki on February 21, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
Ha ha funny joke! He really knows how to kill a crowd!
+1000
This guy is an ass with a two part plan!
Hey you know dont forget he said that he would not have appointed parvez muhammad too in the same story! this man is supposed to be the first baptist church CHRISTIAN candidate and hes a joke. didnt he just defend his friend who was convicted of child porn? man what an idiot! if he wins the mayors race god help jacksonville!
This guy is a racist ass with a two part plan. As for the simple redneck comment he made- he should speak for himself.
Now he can be officially endorsed by the Tea Party!!!
Sounds like they were talking to a room full of Glenn Beck's sheep.
This was my personal favorite:
QuoteOne very strange moment during the hour-long forum came when both candidates were asked a question - all came from the audience - about their position on the encroachment of Sharia law in various parts of the world.
Both men professed little knowledge of the problem involving Islamic laws. Hogan referred to it being an issue in Europe and having heard about it being a problem in New England, but not in the South. He said a firm stand has to be taken against such extremism.
Mullaney said the issue wasn't in his 34-point plan and he was not well versed enough to give an answer.
Although his little joke 'bombed,' Mike Hogan could still win this election because there are many elements in this city who will be laughing with him - all the way to the mayor's office - if enough folks give him a mulligan on this one.
Well personally I think that Mike Hogan has no 'thought out' plan. Even if I disagree with a thought plan- the time and effort of care has been put into trying to make this city a better place at least wins my respect. When someone tells me that they are not really going to do much because they prefer simplicity, then this person is nobody that should be in charge of anything. The reason I would never run for mayor is because I am not qualified for such a job, so I put my faith into people who are qualified (or at least try) to be qualified for such a job. Personally I feel that Mike's comment about Westsiders being simple is offensive.
This has nailed into the coffin of my vote for him. I will never ever vote for him.
If you think of this as a job interview, imagine a candidate that walks in and proclaims that he will do the absolute minimum to comply with the law (balanced budget), refuse to be "politically correct", and then jokes about bombing an abortion clinic.
Which company in town would hire that person?
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 22, 2011, 10:10:49 AM
This has nailed into the coffin of my vote for him. I will never ever vote for him.
+1
Wasn't going to vote for him anyway. Now I'm
really not.
But I am hearing there is a lot of people that think he is the strongest candidate....scary!
Not informed people, but their vote counts too!
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on February 22, 2011, 10:45:24 AM
Not informed people, but their vote counts too!
He is only candidate to come out against Sharia law in Jacksonville. He sounds like the right man for the job.
Quote from: copperfiend on February 22, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on February 22, 2011, 10:45:24 AM
Not informed people, but their vote counts too!
He is only candidate to come out against Sharia law in Jacksonville. He sounds like the right man for the job.
but that's a New England and Europe problem...we don't have to deal with it in the south ;)
What part of New England I wonder...must be somewhere in the mountains of Vermont.
Has the story been picked up by one of the local TV news outlets? Or are they more concerned with stories about privacy settings on Facebook and dual doppler weather every 2 minutes?
OMG this is the craziest story of the week. That is hilarious. Mike Hogan for tax collector!
I think we all need to start praying for God's will to happen because surely it isn't in His will for Hogan to be mayor of a city of close to a million people. I'm actually serious, sadly.
13th most populated city in the country.
Did you also notice in the TU story about how the crowd cheered when Hogan made those comments? That's what's scary. Folks in our town support a person who gives that kind of talk.
Quote from: Jumpinjack on February 22, 2011, 01:58:58 PM
Did you also notice in the TU story about how the crowd cheered when Hogan made those comments? That's what's scary. Folks in our town support that a person who gives that kind of talk.
It's the right wing talk radio crowd. This is the same crowd that asked about Sharia Law.
Even if he had blown up 10 abortion clinics this city would still vote him in...look at our governor...this city claims to be oh so christian yet they vote thieving immoral people to lead...we deserve what we get.
keeping it classy in Duval County apparently.
Quote from: reednavy on February 22, 2011, 04:30:44 PM
keeping it classy in Duval County apparently.
Ignorance begets ignorance. Especially in certain parts of these parts.
Quote from: reednavy on February 22, 2011, 04:30:44 PM
keeping it classy in Duval County apparently.
Yep, it's what we're known for.
This election will be a test of how much clout the social conservatives have in this city. If a certain dowtown church truly owns Jacksonville, they will have enough folks out there to throw their support behind Hogan.
This is one member of a certain downtown church, that will NOT be voting for Hogan! dont think that everyone who goes there blindly follows.
^^Absolutely. As a staunch pro-lifer, I believe this kind of rhetoric actually hurts the pro-life cause. In promoting a culture of life I believe it's important people avoid demonizing people. Even though I disagree with pro-choice and pro-abortion proponents, they have an inherent dignity by virtue that they are people just as I believe an unborn child has inherent dignity. Pro-choice advocates need to be treated with charity while being shown why we need to defend life. And when you think about it whose argument is more convincing? Mike Hogan blasting an "awful decision by an awful court" and cracking jokes about bombing abortion clinics or Mike Mullaney's statement about his daughter's premature birth solidifying his pro-life stance?
I know who has my vote.
Quote from: stephendare on February 22, 2011, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 22, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
This election will be a test of how much clout the social conservatives have in this city. If a certain dowtown church truly owns Jacksonville, they will have enough folks out there to throw their support behind Hogan.
Conservatives don't blow up other people.
This kind of joking doesnt appeal to conservatives, it appeals to radicals and fanatics.
I don't think that social conservatives want to blow up anybody, but I do think that they would be willing to overlook Hogan's joke for the sake of having a mayor whom they can control.
Yes people will often rationalize their parties candidates actions as not as bad as they seem. It's human nature.
Of course we have our own recent example in our Governor. He was not given the death penalty therefor he has never done anything wrong in many voters minds.
If Mike Hogan were running for national office, his gaffe would have more dire consequences. Because this is a local election in which more people are worried about what American Idol contestant is going to flub the Beatles' works, this will likely be a mere blip on his path to the mayor's office.
I could be mistaken, however, as this Times-Union article hit the interwebs (LOL) this evening...
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-02-22/story/catholics-hogan-wrong-think-they%E2%80%99re-ok-clinic-bombing-humor
Last I checked, being Mayor of Jax has nothing to do with regulating the abortion issue, one way or the other. The fact that candidates jump on the opportunity to expound on this issue instead of saying that such questions are irrelevant to the job for which they are contending says volumes about what is wrong with politics today. By answering these questions, they are pandering for votes from voters who will vote for them for reasons totally unrelated to the real qualifications for the job. That's how we got Rick Scott. I sure hope voters don't repeat that mistake in the mayoral election.
Quote from: Jaxson on February 22, 2011, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 22, 2011, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 22, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
This election will be a test of how much clout the social conservatives have in this city. If a certain dowtown church truly owns Jacksonville, they will have enough folks out there to throw their support behind Hogan.
Conservatives don't blow up other people.
This kind of joking doesnt appeal to conservatives, it appeals to radicals and fanatics.
I don't think that social conservatives want to blow up anybody, but I do think that they would be willing to overlook Hogan's joke for the sake of having a mayor whom they can control.
I believe it was an "off the cuff" remark and do not really believe he "thinks about bombing clinics". I also think the issue has no place in local politics. I have kept an open mind and have slowly been eliminating candidates... Mr Hogan has now eliminated himself from my consideration.
That is what is so mind-boggling about many of the good-ole-boy politicians. They think that there is nothing wrong with a few politically incorrect remarks among friends. This is probably why he expected the Catholics to get along and go along with his humor.
One of his campaign commercials (the only one I've seen so far, albeit multiple times already) are nothing but the usual bullet points and bumper-sticker slogans.
--Faith and family
--Proven fiscal conservative
--Lowered/eliminated taxes
--Jeb Bush
It's appalling that this might be enough to sway a large percentage of the voting population to cast their vote for him.
Haven't we already seen what lowering taxes and being a 'proven fiscal conservative' (although I use the term sarcastically) can do?
Quote from: stjr on February 22, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
Last I checked, being Mayor of Jax has nothing to do with regulating the abortion issue, one way or the other. The fact that candidates jump on the opportunity to expound on this issue instead of saying that such questions are irrelevant to the job for which they are contending says volumes about what is wrong with politics today. By answering these questions, they are pandering for votes from voters who will vote for them for reasons totally unrelated to the real qualifications for the job. That's how we got Rick Scott. I sure hope voters don't repeat that mistake in the mayoral election.
+1
I have a friend who tells me that he can't vote for a mayoral candidate who is pro-choice. I asked about the reasoning, and he told me that he just can't do it from a sense of morality. I then asked him if he chooses not to do business with people who are pro-choice (he is a financial planner). I (sarcastically) would assume that means he would not take pro-choice clients or recommend mutual funds from people who are pro-choice. He told me that is different. The only difference I see is the money. I've heard it stated recently that we vote with our feet - and I think that includes how we spend our money. In fact, I would argue that there is no more telling way to determine what is important to a person.
I would distance myself as much as possible. I don't want to be seen as someone that is pallin' around with domestic terrorists.
I volunteered for Deborah Gianoulis in the last election. I encountered at least three voters who said that they would not vote for Ms. Gianoulis because they believed her to be 'pro-abortion' simply because she was running as a Democrat. Does it even matter that state senate is not very likely to overturn Roe v. Wade? LOL
QuoteHe said a firm stand has to be taken against such extremism.
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Hello? Irony? Anyone?
Quote from: Jaxson on February 23, 2011, 11:21:31 AM
I volunteered for Deborah Gianoulis in the last election. I encountered at least three voters who said that they would not vote for Ms. Gianoulis because they believed her to be 'pro-abortion' simply because she was running as a Democrat. Does it even matter that state senate is not very likely to overturn Roe v. Wade? LOL
With people like thrasher and his band of merry thieves i would'nt put it out of reach for the republicans of this state to ban them...they have proven themselves to not support womens rights or anyones rights really. Defunding schools all the while giving huge tax breaks for companies and the wealthy who dont need the help. Mike Hogan was not joking...people does say stuff they dont mean..if it came from his lips...please believe he ment it.
Bring on the full force of the citizen's military,sorties out of NAS and Mayport targeting all manner of assumed "activist","extremist","environmentalist"..................
Imagine Mike Hogan as mayor. It would be like Payton taking a crap in his chair before leaving his office for the last time. Imagine the piece of crap coming to life and resuming the office of mayor. That's what it would be like. He would be a continuation of the same stinky mess that we've had for the past eight years.
No transit improvements,
no increased walkability,
you can forget about the maritime museum and the Laura st trio,
no riverfront development either,
hell, no cleanup for the river,
More sprawl,
more urban demolition,
driver's vindication and faultlessness,
more pedestrian deaths swept under the rug,
Mike Hogan will keep the city on its course to Hell! Let's learn from our mistakes before we make too many to reverse!
This is just my opinion but I'm very outspoken against things that just shouldn't be, nor even have to be! It's just so easy to correct this debacle known as Jacksonville.
QuoteCatholics: Mike Hogan wrong to think they’re OK with clinic bombing humor
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-02-22/story/catholics-mike-hogan-wrong-think-they%E2%80%99re-ok-clinic-bombing-humor#ixzz1EpKn3uDs
Jacksonville mayoral candidate Mike Hogan's statement that jokes about abortion clinic bombings are OK if delivered in front of Catholic audiences isn't sitting well with Catholics, including those heavily engaged in the movement to ban abortion.
And a fellow Baptist who leads a Jacksonville anti-abortion group said the joke, its subsequent defense and the resulting media coverage could actually impede efforts to ban or limit abortions.
Hogan, a Republican and member of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, made the statement Monday after attending a candidates forum at St. Joseph Catholic Church in Mandarin.
He was asked by the audience how his views on the sanctity of life would affect his leadership of Jacksonville. Hogan said he looks forward to the day when Roe v. Wade is overturned, and that the only thing he wouldn't do is bomb an abortion clinic.
He then added with a laugh: "but it may cross my mind."
Hogan told a reporter afterward the joke was appropriate because "this is a Catholic church. I guarantee you they are 110 percent pro-life."
But Pete Kelley, president of the parish's men's club and the forum moderator, didn't find the joke funny or its explanation acceptable. Overall, he said, Hogan missed the point that being "pro-life" means being against violence against abortion providers as well as the unborn.
"The core principle is that life in all forms is to be held sacred, from birth until death," Kelley said. "It's not ours to judge those who don't place that same level of respect on life."
The audience applauded for Hogan when he finished speaking, but Kelley said he didn't think that signaled their approval of the joke.
"It caught a lot of people off guard that anyone would make that comment," he said.
Others were less ruffled.
Parishioner Brian Shields, founder of a Catholic media company in Jacksonville, agreed the joke was a blunder but cautioned against overreaction.
"There's no reason to get so serious about the whole thing," Shields said. "Honestly, sometimes we say things that maybe we could have said better."
Jacksonville City Council President Jack Webb, who arrived at the forum after Hogan's talk, said he immediately sensed the buzz around the candidate's remark.
Webb said he isn't personally offended by Hogan's jest as a member of St. Joseph, but as a Catholic wanted to stress "that being pro-life" means believing that life runs "from conception to natural death."
"I do not support radical elements that advocate violence as a means of societal reform," Webb added, "nor do I find any attempted humor in that regard appropriate."
Brad Straley, president of Jacksonville For Life, also wasn't amused.
The joke and the reaction may serve to confuse those who are unaware of the damaging effects of abortion on individuals, family and society, said Straley, who, like Hogan, attends First Baptist Church.
It was a mistake "just for the fact that the left is going to run with this and people who are undecided [on abortion] are going to cringe," Straley said.
Catholic anti-abortion activist Tom Masters wasn't at the forum but said it's never acceptable to joke about killing.
"It's not a matter of amusement," Masters said.
Staci Fox of Planned Parenthood of North Florida said she was glad to hear that anti-abortion activists and others in the city were critical of Hogan's comments.
"The community is responding appropriately," said Fox, who's also Baptist. "Violence is never funny."
jeff.brumley@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4310
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-02-22/story/catholics-mike-hogan-wrong-think-they%E2%80%99re-ok-clinic-bombing-humor#ixzz1EpKKvNC2
Goodbye Mr. Hogan wish I could say it had been nice. Seriously go away.
wonder if Glorious Johnson still wants to endorse him?
Mike Hogan says, "I'm only a westsider..." Not to demean the people of the Westside, but it's not a destination we take people to when we want to show off our city.
We need leadership, imagination, inspiration, and intelligence in our next Mayor. Hogan just doesn't measure up to the task.
QuoteNot to demean the people of the Westside, but it's not a destination we take people to when we want to show off our city.
And yet... you did! :)
Are we sure he wasnt part of an abortion bombing?
Hopefully we can use the Patriot Act to tap his phones, look up his credit card transactions and keep him under surveillance. We must take all threats of terrorism seriously.
As a Catholic myself, I'm truly offended that he tried to appeal to my faith with an asshole redneck country bumpkin expression like that. I hope they didn't buy into it. Baptists hate Catholics anyway. I hope that they realize that and take his comment to offence.
I saw him on the news last night and he backpeddled saying he wanted to clear his name, but when the time came, he snubbed the media. Instead he lashed out with a cheap shot against Payton. He may've been right in what he said but, what a desperate and cowardly attempt to deflect attention away from himself.
Let's just hope that he keeps digging himself deeper and deeper until he's forced out of the running by his own stupidity!.
I guess Hogan's campaign has realized he shouldn't be anywhere but behind closed doors. He canceled his appearance on First Coast Connect for Monday morning.
I hope pople don't forget.
It made the national news.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/florida-mayoral-candidate-jokes-about-bombing-abortion-clinic
It always cracks me up that abortion is even a topic of interest in political elections. PARTICULARLY at such a minor level as the Jacksonville Mayoral Election.
"Justices of the Supreme Court, I would like to bring before you the Mayor of The Bold New City of the South, Jacksonville, Florida to testify about his expertise on abortion. Mr. Hogan is formerly the Tax Collector of Duval County and has a BS in Zoology from the University of South Florida..."
Quote from: tayana42 on February 23, 2011, 09:09:08 PM
Mike Hogan says, "I'm only a westsider..." Not to demean the people of the Westside, but it's not a destination we take people to when we want to show off our city.
Don't worry, I'm not offended. We need to improve our image, just like the rest of the city.
But I agree with everyone else - abortion is NOT a subject that should be on the slate for local office. I mean really, what does it matter? I'm simply offended that he thought to make light of it... And I for one would LOVE to post a big sign outside his Roosevelt HQ saying something like "This site is the future home of a women's health clinic" or something similar. That would be funny to me.
it's not so much the abortion issue as making mass murder jokes in church .
Quote from: JeffreyS on February 24, 2011, 04:32:30 PM
it's not so much the abortion issue as making mass murder jokes in church .
+1
So one would think that they don't talk about mass murder in church?
Well.......
QuoteSuppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
He was in a Christian church that moved from the God is justice of the old testament to the God is love of the new.
I just vaguely remebered that passage from a long time ago. And you're correct in saying that the old testament was, shall we say, a little brutish. The new testament is not as much, but it isn't wasn't written as a history, it's a collection of stories mostly. I'm sure I could find enough examples there, too, without referencing Revelations of course.
I want to know where he stands on preserving access to our areas beaches and waters. Will hefight to keep bottom fishing from being banned? Will he fight to preserve your ability to enjoy a day at Huguenot Park? All the other issues are the same ones we had last time and the time before and the same factions are drawing lines and calling names. That will never end. But if access to the beach is lost we will never get that back. If bottom fishing is banned it will be gone forever. What does Mr. Hogan say to that?
I wonder if the Jacksonville Assocation of Firefighters and the Fraternal Order of Police will reconsider the endorsements they gave to Hogan?
Quote from: Jimmy on February 24, 2011, 04:24:30 PM
It made the national news.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/florida-mayoral-candidate-jokes-about-bombing-abortion-clinic
Good, just like the Civil Rights Movement, We need to use the national media to embarrass our leaders into evolving and be more forward thinking.
Hogan is the tax collector for Duval County. So someone tell me, why are so many high end earners defaulting on their taxes and getting away with it, while Hogan only seems to go after the little guy? Why does he not call in the taxes of big business? Wouldn't you get more from a big business, than you'd get from several families? What a tool!
As a Republican but more importantly a new Jax resident I pray this guy does not win.
The Tea Party says this is no big deal...
Quote
She said the group did not consider it a big issue that Hogan recently joked that bombing an abortion clinic may cross his mind, a comment he apologized for a day after making it before an audience at a Catholic church.
"Everybody has slips of the tongue and he apologized for that," she said.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2011-03-02/story/first-coast-tea-party-unanimously-endorses-mike-hogan-jacksonville#ixzz1FVJLIZoC
8 more years, 8 more years of the same ol shit!!! That's what we have to look forward to if this FBC ideologue wins the election. And now it looks like it's going to happen!!! I can't sit around here for 8 more years wishing for and settling for the minimum progression.
I want to live in a vibrant city before I'm too old to enjoy it.
I'm 31 years old now going on 32. I'll be forty before Hogan's regime is out. What good is vibrancy and a hopping nightlife when you're past your prime?!
Let's get out in force and stop this from happening, I believe we can still pull it off.
Everywhere I go lately, I advise people to vote. I just hope that everyone is doing the same thing.
I resent your crack about forty years olds and at the same time agree with your entire post.
Quote from: thelakelander on March 02, 2011, 10:35:25 PM
The Tea Party says this is no big deal...
Quote
She said the group did not consider it a big issue that Hogan recently joked that bombing an abortion clinic may cross his mind, a comment he apologized for a day after making it before an audience at a Catholic church.
"Everybody has slips of the tongue and he apologized for that," she said.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2011-03-02/story/first-coast-tea-party-unanimously-endorses-mike-hogan-jacksonville#ixzz1FVJLIZoC
I hope you didn't expect otherwise.
So the Tea party supports bombs and not rail. No I am not surprised.
Quote from: copperfiend on March 03, 2011, 12:23:56 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on March 02, 2011, 10:35:25 PM
The Tea Party says this is no big deal...
Quote
She said the group did not consider it a big issue that Hogan recently joked that bombing an abortion clinic may cross his mind, a comment he apologized for a day after making it before an audience at a Catholic church.
"Everybody has slips of the tongue and he apologized for that," she said.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2011-03-02/story/first-coast-tea-party-unanimously-endorses-mike-hogan-jacksonville#ixzz1FVJLIZoC
I hope you didn't expect otherwise.
I knew that Hogan's base of support would support him regardless of what he joked about regarding bombing abortion clinics. I am also not surprised that these anti-incumbent folks endorsed a slew of incumbents. LOL
Quote from: stephendare on February 22, 2011, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 22, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
This election will be a test of how much clout the social conservatives have in this city. If a certain dowtown church truly owns Jacksonville, they will have enough folks out there to throw their support behind Hogan.
Conservatives don't blow up other people.
This kind of joking doesnt appeal to conservatives, it appeals to radicals and fanatics.
Thank you for that, Stephen.