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Title: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: iloveionia on October 27, 2010, 03:44:31 PM
Yup.
They seem to be everywhere.
Sometimes in bunches.
Sometimes overgrown and untended to. 
Nope, SRG doesn't own all of them, a lot of them, but not all.
I do not know an exact number of Springfield's vacant lots, but 175ish is a fair number based on research compiled.

What to do? 

Well Preservation SOSs mission is to preserve the structures and fabric of our district.  No doubt vacant lots are a part of this.  Right now we are focusing on the structures as those are in most eminent danger of being lost in our neighborhood.  It is the priority.  We are a small, new, and growing group and we welcome folks to come and join us in our efforts to "Save Our Springfield."  (FYI, information coming in the next days about a slew of November activities coming up, so keep your eyes peeled!)

It's all about taking a different approach, a different view.  Looking through "different glasses." 

1.  The lots need to be maintained. 
2.  God willing, the lots need to be sold to provide appropriate historic infill.
3.  In the interim, the lots need to be utilized:
The above are just ideas.
Got any more?

Clearly there are legalities to ownership of the lots that would need to be addressed.   

Once the legislation is drafted and mothballing and preserving our homes becomes #1 in Springfield, I'll feel comfortable to take on the lots.  But we are always happy to tackle what we can while "saving the houses."  So I say "bring it on."  Always up for a challenge. 
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: CS Foltz on October 27, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
That "Adopt a Lot idea has some merit, if a person on that street or block would be willing to keep the weeds in check! Cost should not be too bad if it is a standard city lot size! Next door neighbor might be willing or maybe you could get a block captain to step up.............or even since SPAR was the initiator of most of that, you might discuss the issue with them for keeping the weeds in check......simple mow job once a month beats what happens right now!
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: sheclown on October 27, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
Make them all meadows.


(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/mountain-meadows-1.jpg)

Problem solved.

Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: uptowngirl on October 27, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
HA! I have six surrounding me, all over grown. Seller unwilling to sell since they ahve demo liens and fines.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: iloveionia on October 27, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
Uptown.
Critters. Build that farm baby.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: CS Foltz on October 27, 2010, 09:48:13 PM
uptowngirl.......as sheclown suggested, make it into a meadow or just plant wildflowers! I think you can get those kind of seeds at no cost from the State..................leme look into it and will give you post regarding what I find out?
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: uptowngirl on October 27, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
I did plant two with a meadow, I think it takes two years to properly bloom, so looking forward tot this spring! It is a shame these lots can't sale, I would buy two of them today if not for demo liens and fines.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: sheclown on October 27, 2010, 09:58:48 PM
We need to check out how to negotiate these fines.

If the city can give Mack 200 lots without the liens, surely the city can waive demo liens for you.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: CS Foltz on October 27, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
sheclown........I agree! There has to be a way around that crud! City gets tax revenue from something for xx dollars instead of what they get now..........zero! Paperwork bull excrement!
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: iloveionia on October 27, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on October 27, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
It is a shame these lots can't sale, I would buy two of them today if not for demo liens and fines.
A Springfield friend bought an empty lot out of the "ledger" book down at the courthouse.  As an empty lot has less liability than a property with a house on it, a suggestion would be to clear the fines and liens tagged to the address and send those suckers to the most recent property owner as a judgement, and sell the lots to interested folks.  A win-win in my book.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: CS Foltz on October 27, 2010, 10:11:03 PM
Sounds good to me...........anything beats them just vegging..............vegetable plots, flowers......wild flowers, even possible playgrounds, marked so their are no liabilitie issue's!
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: peestandingup on October 28, 2010, 12:59:30 AM
I read that back in the 80s, lots used to go for basically nothing (a few hundred bucks). Hell, sometimes you could get the owners to just sign it over to you if you took care of a couple small fines.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: KuroiKetsunoHana on October 28, 2010, 10:16:47 AM
it would be pretty awesome if that could happen again--i like the idea ov several vegetable gardens scattered throughout the neighbourhood, black thumb though i have.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: avs on October 28, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
Sustainable Springfield is happy to work with owners of these vacant parcels.  We have the lot on Laura on a long-term lease, the lot on Ionia that we are going to be building a community orchard on this Fall was donated to us, we also have a lot on E 4th that has been leased to us that we are going to build another community garden on.  As long as we can put funds together to build the gardens, we are happy to do it and to manage them.  The owners have to be willing to long term lease or donate the lot to us (tax write off for them).

I would love to see pocket community gardens scattered throughout Springfield.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 28, 2010, 11:05:46 AM
Hi!  Pot-stirrer here.

My question to some of you that want to purchase the lots, "If you buy it, then you would assimilate it to your own yard and someone looking for property wouldn't think to ask if it's for sale, right?"

I don't live there, as expressed by my moniker, but I think the idea of maintaining the lots next to you would help you in your long term goals of infill, rather than buying the lots outright.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: iloveionia on October 28, 2010, 12:06:15 PM
Agreed Westsider,  "maintaining the lots next to you" is definitely a help.  Anything in my book to offer love to vacancy is a plus. 
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: uptowngirl on October 28, 2010, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 28, 2010, 11:05:46 AM
Hi!  Pot-stirrer here.

My question to some of you that want to purchase the lots, "If you buy it, then you would assimilate it to your own yard and someone looking for property wouldn't think to ask if it's for sale, right?"

I don't live there, as expressed by my moniker, but I think the idea of maintaining the lots next to you would help you in your long term goals of infill, rather than buying the lots outright.

Not in all cases, somtimes these lots were already a part of the property, and at some point in time were split. Those properties should be joined back together. Also in some cases building a property on the lot is not feasible, I have one across the street the house that was there sat under the roof line of the housr next to it.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: sheclown on October 29, 2010, 07:17:28 AM
Luckily (?) there are PLENTY of empty lots to go around. :)
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: peestandingup on October 29, 2010, 07:29:54 AM
I think some of the same artistic flares that you guys have been doing with some of the moth balled houses can also be used for vacant lots as well.

You should check out what a Detroit artist did with a similar situation. Look up the Heidelberg Project to see what I mean. Here is a video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCxC5ozQ7hQ#t=7m33s
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: sheclown on October 29, 2010, 08:58:11 AM
perhaps there needs to be a neighborhood group that deals with just the empty lots
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: ricosuave on October 29, 2010, 01:10:27 PM
Don't know if anyone has picked up on this but SRG has been selling a few lots lately - cheap!  A sale just got recorded today for $16,000 for what looks like a double lot (although I did not look up the location).  That is early 2000s pricing.  If there is a vacant lot next to your house, it might be a good time to buy it.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: Springfield Chicken on October 29, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
We have all the SRG lots listed for sale.  Most, but not all, have signs on them.  Mack has sold some recently for less than list price.  If you're interested in one or want to know where they are located, let me know and I can email you a list.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: Coolyfett on October 29, 2010, 06:02:25 PM
Development! Development! Cmon Uptowners! In time if not already those vacant lots will become upscale developments. Cmon Uptowners make room for the yuppies like Riverside did.
Title: Re: Vacant Lots in Historic Springfield
Post by: Debbie Thompson on October 29, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
Hmmmm.....I don't recall seeing any signs in Springfield saying "no yuppies allowed."  We're a pretty diverse bunch.  If yuppies want to move to Springfield, I dare say there would be room.

Oh, no, I did not just say that!  There goes the neighborhood!   LOL....