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Title: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: vicupstate on October 21, 2010, 06:03:35 AM
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The news emerged last week, and official word came today. Atlanta won a $47 million U.S. DOT grant to help it build a proposed $72 million streetcar line. Here's a link to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article with details. Salt Lake City also won a streetcar grant, for $26 million, and Los Angeles won $20 million for its Crenshaw/LAX light rail line. Yonah Freemark of The Transport Politic offers an analysis here. He notes that of the $600 million total in these so-called TIGER II grants most went to small-scale projects in small and mid-size cities for street improvements, building transit centers, and rehabilitating freight lines. Here's a link to the USDOT site where you can find the list of capital project grants and the list of planning grants.



Read more: http://marynewsom.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-time-atlanta-gets-streetcar-bucks.html#ixzz12zCwqLCo
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: thelakelander on October 21, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
Wow are the cost estimates on the TIGER II capital projects right?  Orlando is getting $10 million to do a 1.9 mile BRT connection between Parramore and LYNX Central Station.  The total project cost is $106 million.  I wonder if this is wrong or what's going in it to make is so expensive. $56 million/mile for BRT.......wow.
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: thelakelander on October 21, 2010, 06:26:52 AM
Btw, it appears that Jax did not make the cut for any TIGER II capital or planning grants.
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: CS Foltz on October 21, 2010, 06:35:33 AM
lake...........you can't make the cut if you don't apply! JTA is too busy sucking up Fed money for BRT.....you know that thing that is just as good as rail, but its cheaper!
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: billy on October 21, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Atlanta money may have been better spent on the Beltline.
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: thelakelander on October 21, 2010, 06:45:15 AM
Florida winners:

Orlando - Parramore BRT ($10 million)

- A 1.9 mile BRT connection from Parramore to Sunrail station

Miami - Port of Miami Rail Access ($22 million)

- A new rail intermodal yard at port to remove trucks on roads between port and railyards west of Miami.

Bradenton - Port Manatee Marine Highway ($9 million)

- A 32-acre container terminal
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: CS Foltz on October 21, 2010, 06:47:02 AM
Don't forget .....our new Port Facility has nothing at all rail wise.......trucks are cheaper ya know! snicker..snicker!
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: tufsu1 on October 21, 2010, 08:32:35 AM
Quote from: CS Foltz on October 21, 2010, 06:35:33 AM
lake...........you can't make the cut if you don't apply! JTA is too busy sucking up Fed money for BRT.....you know that thing that is just as good as rail, but its cheaper!

CS...JTA applied for grants, as did the City, FDOT, and JaxPort.

TIGER II was much smaller than TIGER I....and Flroida didnt' receive any money is the first round!
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: tufsu1 on October 21, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
TIGER II Planning Grants are listed here...nothing in FL was funded

http://www.dot.gov/docs/tiger2planninggrantinfo.pdf
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: Captain Zissou on October 21, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
Wow.  Maybe we should do a "Learning from Crenshaw" article soon.
Title: Re: Atlanta, LA and Salt Lake City get Streetcar funding from Feds
Post by: simms3 on October 21, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: billy on October 21, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Atlanta money may have been better spent on the Beltline.

Beltline is too conceptual so far.  That streetcar line has been planned to the last t for a while.  It was easy for them to receive the funding.  This is why for transportation expensive studies are actually necessary.  The feds like to see hundreds of pages of detailed reports and cost projections.  There is still a void of $12 million for that streetcar line, though.

So far the beltline is a highly planned string of parks/trails with ROW for future light rail.  The actual plans aren't ready to submit yet.  Funding is also much more of an issue for the beltline because it is such a large undertaking.  And BTW Atlanta did not receive funding for the second streetcar line up Peachtree and now they are reworking the route.