Cities that May Have New Streetcar Lines Within 2 Years
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It appears that streetcars are making a comeback and that Jacksonville may fall further behind its peers. The Community Streetcar Coalition held a summit earlier this year in Alexandria, Virginia where it brought together people working to get new streetcars running in 22 cities across the nation. Curious about which cities are on the move?
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-oct-cities-that-may-have-new-streetcar-lines-within-2-years
I have personally been to Little Rock, Arkansas and checked out their new streetcars. It is simple, effective, cheaper, and always has the charm that people just want to get on that streetcar and ride around (of course to get them to where they need to go).
Jacksonville, make your move NOW (taps the poker cards).
-Josh
Dear Jacksonville and JTA Leadership--
Please start giving a sh*t, remove your heads from your posterior regions, and do something about this. Now.
A little info about Boise's starter streetcar plan.
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QuoteThe Phase One route currently under study is a 2.3 mile loop running on Main and Idaho streets, extending from Noble Park near St. Luke’s Regional Medical Center on the east to 15th Street on the west.
Boise, ID population: 205,707 (city); 606,376 (Metro)
Jacksonville population: 813,518 (city); 1,328,144 (Metro)
Streetcar route length: 2.3 miles for phase 1
Estimated Capital Cost: $60 million ($26 million/mile)
How will it be paid:
QuoteThe City of Boise is seeking federal grant opportunities to fund $40 million of the construction costs of phase one of the streetcar project. The additional costs would be paid for by the City of Boise and CCDC, and it is possible that a local improvement district may be created to fund up to $10 million of the construction costs.
Estimated annual operations costs: $1.2 million
Estimated fare: There will be no fare. Riding the streetcar will be free
QuoteNo. We are proposing that the streetcar system be free to ride. Public transit systems often see a decrease in the ridership when any fare, even a nominal one, is charged. In addition, there are costs associated with the collection of fares and the fares generally do not produce enough income to justify the time and expense needed for collection.
Estimated construction jobs created: 420
Fore more info: http://www.cityofboise.org/streetcar/
Unlike your example city that's doing it right, JTA is taking the federal transit money and wasting it on BRT.
How dumb.
...that isn't really BRT.
How dumber.
Dumb and Dumber appear to be running JTA.............which would account for a lot of the Dumb decisions being made!
Quote from: Doctor_K on October 14, 2010, 12:12:38 PM
...that isn't really BRT.
How dumber.
Yeah you're right, I usually write it out B(R)T, lmao...forgot to put the parentheses in that time!
A little info about Tucson's starter streetcar plan.
Tucson, AZ population: 543,910 (city); 1,020,200 (Metro)
Jacksonville population: 813,518 (city); 1,328,144 (Metro)
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QuoteAn approved four-mile modern streetcar line connecting the University of Arizona to the 4th Avenue commercial district, downtown and the redevelopment area west of downtown.
QuoteThe Tucson Modern Streetcar Project will improve connectivity between Tucson’s major activity centers by serving as an urban transit circulator to address the transportation needs of the residents, workers, students, and visitors traveling in the corridor. Additionally, the Modern Streetcar will create economic development, support population and employment growth, improve transit service, and mitigate parking constraints.
Streetcar route length: 4 double-tracked miles
Estimated Capital Cost: $197 million ($49 million/mile)
How will it be paid:
QuoteFunding: There are two funding sources - local and federal
Local
$88 million in RTA funding for capital and operations costs.
$11 million pledged by local utilities
$3.2 million pledged by Gadsden Development Co. for Mercado District improvements
$4.6 million from City of Tucson grants and other sources
Federal
$63 million awarded in Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER) Grant funds
$6 million of $25 million received to-date in federal New Starts appropriations.
$14.98 million for the Cushing Street Bridge project
An application for an additional $26.45 million from a TIGER II Grant is pending review from the Federal Transit Administration.
http://www.tucsonstreetcar.com/background.htmEstimated Completion Date: 9/30/2013
Estimated fare: Between $1 and $2 per ride
Estimated Frequency: 6:00AM to 2:00AM daily. Every 10 minutes during day, 20 minutes at night.
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For more info: http://dot.tucsonaz.gov/projects/project.cfm?cip=6638D2BE-FBF1-E5C6-A82F29CBF9A9D531http://www.tucsonstreetcar.com/
Streetcar Now!
Commuter rail Soon!
BRT enhh.
What's everyone's opinion on amendment 4? aside from too many of the wrong people voting for the wrong types of projects, what are the negative side effects?
http://ddot.dc.gov/DC/DDOT/On+Your+Street/Mass+Transit+in+DC/DC+Streetcar/System+Plan+October+2010
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 14, 2010, 01:19:08 PM
Streetcar Now!
Commuter rail Soon!
BRT enhh.
Yay!
Streetcar along San Jose!!
not going to happen
Yes it will eventually, however probably not on San Jose like Faye mentioned.
Quote from: stephendare on October 25, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: cline on October 25, 2010, 01:19:31 PM
Yes it will eventually, however probably not on San Jose like Faye mentioned.
San Jose makes the most sense of any residential corridor outside of the urban core, actually.
Its some of the densest residential in the city and with feeder lines, a streetcar or light rail would be a great service to the families and residents of the area.
Many would argue that a line into Riverside would make the most sense for a starter line.
Quote from: stephendare on October 25, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: cline on October 25, 2010, 01:19:31 PM
Yes it will eventually, however probably not on San Jose like Faye mentioned.
San Jose makes the most sense of any residential corridor outside of the urban core, actually.
maybe so (assuming Riverside, Springfield, and San Marco are part of the urban core)...but as cline noted, it won't happen on San Jose...for several reasons:
1. running premium transit on primarily residential corridors doesn't make much sense...they need to be mixed-use
2. many of the folks living in that area won't allow it (can't have the rif raf coming to their 'hood)
A streetcar or LRT down San Jose most likely won't happen until sometime well after 2035, if ever. We'll be lucky to have all the current high speed rail, current streetcar and commuter rail proposals done by then. In any event, the majority of the San Jose area will be served by commuter rail and connecting bus service.
Unless there are some major changes in federal/state/local funding priorities and the official process it takes to get these things built, it will be longer than 25 years. I say that because fixed transit on San Jose isn't even on the conceptual radar screen at this point. So if you're a real betting man, I'd be willing to put up my stock in MJ that there will be no streetcar operating on San Jose in ten years.
MJ has stock? :)
Wow! I was at least giving you the option of rubber wheeled PCT. I'll take you up on that. "Fixed" rail-based transit in San Jose Blvd. it is.
Would amendment 4 do anything to stop or slow down sprawl?
^No. However, it would slow down or stop major urban infill and redevelopment projects in cities across the state.
Amenment 4 could also possibly stop some transit projects...I'd hate to see how a referendum on rail down San Jose would turn out ;)
btw...careful with that bet Lake...I'm not exactly sure what "implementation phase" means
THE GHOSTS OF SAN JOSE PAST? OR DAYS OF THE FUTURE PAST?(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_bQsuhPJduqQ/TMXtyc-v1VI/AAAAAAAADBM/2PyF1CCawoc/s800/South_Jacksonville_muni_110.jpg)
South Jacksonville Municipal Railways #110 with SAN JOSE in the destination curtain.
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Gee Mr Blaylock, it doesn't look anything like our JUNK PCT'S inside!